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How's TunisAir And Air Algerie Doing?  
User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Hey my felloow a.netter's, I have a question : How is Air Algerie and TunisAir doing?? I havnt heard much about these N.African airlines recently. Also why do both of them have such diverse fleets?? Any info. appreciated  Smile


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User currently offlineEha From France, joined May 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

The two airlines have different profiles.

Air Algerie is 100% govt owned,
48 A/C in operations, 25 in storage (old 737-200).
Fleet is fragmented. Operating 13 different A/C
Young 737-600 and -800, A330,
the rest is rather old, 727, 767-300, A310-200....
65% load factor in '04
Serving mostly Europe, Middle-East,Africa

Tunisair : 74,4% govt owned, 5,6% Air France, 20% private sector
31 A/C in total, mostly single-aisle (737 and A319,A320) and 3 old A300-600R)
69% load factor in '04, profitable in '04 after 3 successive loss year
Serving Africa,Middle-East, Europe (much better network in Europe than Air Algerie)

E.


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2654 times:

Quoting Eha (Reply 1):
Air Algerie is 100% govt owned,
48 A/C in operations, 25 in storage (old 737-200).
Fleet is fragmented. Operating 13 different A/C
Young 737-600 and -800, A330,
the rest is rather old, 727, 767-300, A310-200....
65% load factor in '04
Serving mostly Europe, Middle-East,Africa

Tunisair : 74,4% govt owned, 5,6% Air France, 20% private sector
31 A/C in total, mostly single-aisle (737 and A319,A320) and 3 old A300-600R)
69% load factor in '04, profitable in '04 after 3 successive loss year
Serving Africa,Middle-East, Europe (much better network in Europe than Air Algerie)

E.

Cool Thanks !!  Cool, I understand that TunisAir's AB6 came from EK right?? Or some M.E. airline



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User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3450 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2640 times:

Tunisair's AB6s are three (TS-IPA/B/C) and they come from EK. The 736s are seven and the 735s are four. The backbone of the fleet are the fifteen A320 family. The airline announced a loss of about 15MD for the first semester of 2005 although an increase in the turnaround and the number of passengers. This is mainly due to fuel price. Recently there has been the creation of Tunisair Technics as an independant full subsidiary.

User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3450 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2609 times:

AFAIK, AH has returned its A333 to lessor and is now flying with Air Madrid.

AH was expecting to start services to North America with the new Airbuses but they didn't announce it yet !!!


User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2569 times:
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AH is planning to start services to USA after it applies for permission to the american national authorities. No date is put for the start of these flights and no city planned.

I fly sometimes the 736, 738 and 763 of AH to ALG from BCN for Business and I must say is a great airline, with great crew trained in France and Egypt who cares for the passenger.

TU is another airline with great crew and planes but I can´t find a reason why don´t have a wide body to fly to transcontinental flights. Someone knows it???



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

Quoting TS-IOR (Reply 4):
AH was expecting to start services to North America with the new Airbuses but they didn't announce it yet !!!

IIRC AH was going to use the A33X to fly to China?? What are the current A33X routes ?? ORY??



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User currently offlineRom1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2522 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 6):
IIRC AH was going to use the A33X to fly to China?? What are the current A33X routes ?? ORY??

until this summer, Paris Orly (not sure), Paris CDG, Lyon and Marseille all receive the A330 from Algiers and Constantine

Marseilles was 5 times a week from ALG and 2 times a week from Constantine

Being 100% governement owned, and without direct competiton (Khalifa Airways ceased operations a few years ago, Air France only competes on Paris and Marseille flights), no doubt Air Algerie is doing okay...

However I doubt they will gain rights to fly to the USA, Khlaifa tried to go to New York and Toronto when they bought their 2 B772 and never flew them. Although some American companies (CocaCola at one time) are looking to invest in Algeria for cheap labor, the country was still very dangerous a couple of years ago and is still a potential threat to security...

It needs some time  Wink


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

Quoting Rom1 (Reply 7):
until this summer, Paris Orly (not sure), Paris CDG, Lyon and Marseille all receive the A330 from Algiers and Constantine

How many people are flying between those cities besides Paris to get a 33X?



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User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3450 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2395 times:

Just notice that more than 3 million Algerians are living in France and that they are concentrated in the Paris area as well as Marseille and Lyon suburbs. The North-African diaspora remains very attached to their countries of origin and economical and cultural exchanges are at their utmost.

Tunis-Paris 7/day and 8/day during summer in addition to tens of charter flights.

DJE-PAR daily in addition to tens of charters.

MIR-PAR is Xdaily including charter flights.

The corridor between France,Italy,Germany,Belgium and North-Africa is a motorway during pic hours  Wink


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

AH has still plan to open Montreal and Pekin with the A330s.
Yes the A330s fly twice daily to Orly from ALG and once a day to Oran.
Sometimes A330s come from Constantine instead of a 737-800.
The 767-300s are rarely seen now ét Orly.
The A310-200s are stored at ALG.Rumor is they should go to Buraq of Libya. , as some 727-200s has done.
Tunisair do not operate wide bodies on transcon flights , simply as trafic is not there.
Would like to know how flights TUN-Montreal with A320s operating (or will be operated ??) by Nouvelair perform (or will perform).
Once TU has the idea to lease a 767 for this Canadian service , but didn't go ahead.


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