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Penthouses At 30,000 Feet- Private Heavies Article  
User currently offlineJet-lagged From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 877 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 9501 times:

If this was already posted please ignore. I didn't see it in a search.

From here: http://biz.yahoo.com/weekend/widebody_1.html
Penthouses at 30,000 Feet
BusinessWeek Online, By Carol Matlack

"These airborne penthouses cost plenty. New widebodies, such as the Airbus A340 and the Boeing 777, list for well over $100 million. A customized interior adds $25 million to $30 million, . . . it's no surprise that only five or six such planes are sold each year. . . . "

"some businesspeople now use their aircraft as a base of operations on overseas business trips. Rather than going to a hotel or office after landing, they just stay onboard. . . . "

"Another motivation, it seems, is one-upmanship. "As soon as someone gets one of these [big planes], others want it," Doret says. So it's not surprising that some clients are already eyeing the biggest plane of all: the doubledecker Airbus A380, . . . "

Some cool designs: http://images.businessweek.com/ss/05...aft/index_01.htm?campaign_id=yahoo

What an experience that would be!

[Edited 2005-10-22 03:56:58]

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User currently offlineB744F From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9478 times:

what a waste that would be!

User currently offlineHiJazzey From Saudi Arabia, joined Sep 2005, 872 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9434 times:

Really obscene  Sad

"Israf" to the extreme


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5338 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9415 times:

Actually, really, really tacky interiors.

User currently offlineJet-lagged From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 877 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9375 times:

Gosh! What negative replies. For people with access to a few billion US$, this is like a typical middle class splurging on an oversized gas guzzling SUV. I would agree that the money could be better spent, to serve the world better . . . but that ain't gonna happen.

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13198 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9350 times:

If I am correct, Mr. Harari, whom was a former PM of Lebanon and was assinated earlier this year had his own/personal 777. Then again, look at AF1, AF2, aircraft - the ultimate executive aircraft.

User currently offlineBoeingfanyyz From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9271 times:

If you oppose wealthy people tricking out interiors of heavies, why don't you oppose AF1? Marine 1?
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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 9268 times:

I don't know why you people are complaining. If I had the money it I would be flying one of those around everywhere. I don't care if the money could be better spent on world peace or whatever you want to spend it on. I would just look down and say "I don't give a shit" as I fly over!


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User currently offlineYYZatcboy From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1093 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 9213 times:
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I would not even have a house. live on my plane full time! Now just imagine you could fly her too!


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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9103 times:

Those are muy awsome, but if i had to fly the aircraft, I'd choose an Embraer Legacy, or a Gulfstream Private Jet. They, on my opinion, would be easier to fly than an A380/777. You could also land at smaller airports to avoid congestion.

[Edited 2005-10-22 07:03:59]

User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 9072 times:

I wish I could be so tacky..... actually the Donald's 727 is one of the faster private a/c out here... excellent choice IMO... time is money


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User currently offlinePHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 9026 times:

a friend of mine who works for customs and border patrol told me that the man who owns "the limited" clothing stores in the us has a private 747. he arrives through cmh frequently and almost always late at night. whle i love the 747, i think this is a bit extreme. and for the record i'm a middle class american who loves his big gas guzzling suv.

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26811 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8969 times:

Quoting Lono (Reply 10):
actually the Donald's 727 is one of the faster private a/c out here... excellent choice IMO... time is money

So is the fuel and pilot bill for that hog (oooh, I am about to get flamed for defaming the beloved 727)



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8819 times:

If I had that sort of money, my only question is which type do I buy.

User currently offlineFlyfromZRH From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days ago) and read 8744 times:

Not all aircraft designs need to be tacky. Someone who had as much taste as money bought a Falcon 900 designed by famous Aussie Marc Newson:


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Check out some interior design pictures here:

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache...%22+falcon+900b+registration&hl=de

It was on the market some while ago for a mere 21.5 M $ - but hey, that includes a Nespresso coffee machine AND a Sharp microwave!

[Edited 2005-10-22 14:13:32]

User currently offlineBluejackets From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 280 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8666 times:

Quoting PHLJJS (Reply 11):
a friend of mine who works for customs and border patrol told me that the man who owns "the limited" clothing stores in the us has a private 747. he arrives through cmh frequently and almost always late at night.

Les Wexner, Limited Brands owner, has a private 737 he parks at CMH.



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User currently offlineBBJII From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8525 times:

If u had the cash...get a BBJ or a BBJII.

anything bigger is a waist....there are ego machines.

The BBJ can fly just as far as a normal 767er and a BBJII can fly just as far as a normal 767.

So why get anything bigger..had a BBJ fly from Vegas to London non-stop and London to Jo'burg.

Smaller jets do go to smaller airports...but if u can afford it. flaunt it !



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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7540 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8434 times:

I'll take a Super -27 anyday  Smile


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User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2017 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8358 times:
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Quoting Boeingfanyyz (Reply 6):
If you oppose wealthy people tricking out interiors of heavies, why don't you oppose AF1? Marine 1?

Personally, I think if you can afford it, go for it. It's simply more money in the pockets of the aircraft manufacturers.

However I would venture a guess that the answer to your question would be: Because AF1 and Marine 1 are official transport aircraft of the United States Government, not some wealthy individual. Presidents come and go. They don't get to keep AF1 when they leave office.



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User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8358 times:

Quoting Boeingfanyyz (Reply 6):
If you oppose wealthy people tricking out interiors of heavies, why don't you oppose AF1? Marine 1?


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User currently offlineSkyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7938 times:

Quote from the article: "Not all the fun is family-style: New York designer Doret says one of his clients wants to install a pole in his plane so he can watch strippers dance."


HAHAHHAHAHA


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7711 times:

Quoting Jet-lagged (Reply 4):
I would agree that the money could be better spent, to serve the world better . . . but that ain't gonna happen.

well, let's see....

the owner has to buy a large durable good from a corporation that employed thousands to build this item.... = good paying jobs in manufacturing

the owner must employ at least three full time pilots, a half dozen flight attendants and another half dozen technicians/handlers (perhaps through contract services)... 12 to 15 people with fulltime employment due to this aircraft

the owner will keep this airplane at some airfield and will probably have a hangar for the airplane (Paul Allen has one for his two 757's). Maintenance and manning for the hangar, plus the security necessary for the facility employs another 5 to 10 people on a longterm with more for the shortterm when they build or modify the hangar.

the wasteful venture will use up consumables for it's flights at an impressive rate. fuel vendors, catering outfits, tire manufacturers, and other support services.

None of this counts the businesses that are patronized by the people that directly and indirectly work on the airplane such as supermarkets, car dealerships, schools, etc.

An airplane like this is perhaps an exercise in vanity, but it does alot of good for the economy....a good deal more than simply taking that money and directly redistributing the cash. This is an ongoing proposition and proof that aviation is good for the economy.

[Edited 2005-10-22 17:31:12]


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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4700 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7565 times:

In a German aerospace magazine I read an article about a company designing VIP interiors. They said they already got a request for a A380VIP, but the customer wants to see how it performs as he wants to fly from the Gulf area to HNL nonstop. I´m sure it´ll happen.

But for myself, I´d prefer an Il-62. Enough space, good range, stunning field performance, 4 engines and a classic aircraft. What could you want more. bigthumbsup 



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7558 times:

It has to be a Tristar.

One beautiful plane.


User currently offlineFlyMeToTheMoon From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 242 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6922 times:

As long as the owners made the money legally (not steal it like some owners), paid the taxes no reason why people should not have private planes of any size. Think of it this way - how may of us - given the resources - would pass the opportunity of buying and operating a private 707/320/340/380? Or even better a fighet jet like Mr. Ellison (of the Oracle fame). Most people conspicuosly consume - respecting the proportions who needs a Maybach limo when a Kia woudl do? Same concepts applies in planes.


Fly me to the moon... but not through LHR!
25 Tcfc424 : I would want a BBj or BBJII as well...perfect for North America and across the ponds...however I would need to charter a private 757 (like N801DM) if
26 JAXFLL : To the people who think it's a waste: It's their money to spend how they see fit. I don't see people telling you that the way you spend your money is
27 AeroVodochody : If i was rich enough I'd buy one and live in it in a second.....
28 Airfoilsguy : My dad, who flys on private jets often, told me that there was a 747 parked at Akron Canton that belongs to a TV evangelist. His name slips me. I thin
29 A360 : There where rumours during the paris airshow that someone had bought a private 380. DXB-HNL is 13730 km. That wouldn't be hard for a private 380.
30 Tornado82 : I oppose it for anything within the range of the AF's 757's. There's no need for any intra-US flights to be on a 747, and don't go giving me the crap
31 WhiteHatter : Sometimes the economics are better than you might imagine. For instance flying something like a 763ER with staff aboard can work out much more effecti
32 A342 : I know and I agree. Don´t know why that should be an issue.
33 Gilligan : His name was Rex Hummbard and they don't do the story because he died more than a few years ago. BTW his ministry failed about the time cable tv hit
34 Airfoilsguy : I think the 747 belongs to someone else. I know of the Rex guy and his tower. I think the tower is a buffet now. My dad says the 747 was seen parked
35 Post contains images HPRamper : Where is this at? Is it at SEA or BFI, or is it somewhere else? AMEN!!
36 Gilligan : You're right. I just talked to a friend of mine who works at CAK and the plane belongs to Earnest Angley. According to my friend it's a big white 747
37 Satx : They're complaining because you'd first have to sell your soul to make that kind of money and you'd then have to ignore your conscience to spend it s
38 Post contains images Kevi747 : Don't worry, the people who will make sure you never get that chance are doing it to you.....right now. The "wealthy Middle Eastern client who wants
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