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BA Executive Club, One Of The Worst FF Programs?  
User currently offlineKaneporta1 From Greece, joined May 2005, 749 posts, RR: 12
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6352 times:

I bought a BA ticket a few days ago and found out that it was a qualifying fare to join the executive club. And so I did. I am a semi-frequent traveler, I fly about 8-10 return trips per year so I thought, why not. Anyway, I was checking how to earn and redeem miles and found out that:

-Discount economy tickets only get 25% of the miles flown.
-To upgrade one class from economy using miles, only a full fare economy ticket is eligible for upgrades. I can't see how this works since a premium economy ticket costs LESS than a full fare economy ticket.
-Part miles part cash option is only valid for economy tickets.
-Very few non-airline partners.

Even the BA American express card gives 1 mile per pound (about $1.8) spent compared to the AA card that is 1 mile per $1.

I've been looking at a couple of other FF programs (AA, UA, VS) and they seem a lot better.


I'd rather die peacefully in my sleep, like my grandfather, not terrified and screaming, like his passengers
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User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3713 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6331 times:

Personally I find the Exec Club to work really well for me although that is becuase I fly on premium fares. For the semi-frequent flyer on cheapo tickets the Exec Club is poor.

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Thread starter):
Even the BA American express card gives 1 mile per pound (about $1.8) spent compared to the AA card that is 1 mile per $1.

Look at the different Amex cards. I've got the Premium Plus and it earns 1.5 BA miles per GBP.

For UK issued airline affinity credit cards 1 mile per GBP is pretty standard.



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User currently offlineBrasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6276 times:

Can't you just collect miles flown with BA in Iberia's FF?


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User currently offlineKevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6264 times:

I agree. Flying in economy with discounted tickets won't get you far with Exec Club.

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6227 times:

Well other FF progrems are becoming like Exec Club. On discounted economy fares on Lufthansa you on ly get 175 miles compared to the minimum of 1000 of a standard fare. On BA you get 195, so it is even better than LH.


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User currently offlineKaneporta1 From Greece, joined May 2005, 749 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6187 times:

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 1):
I've got the Premium Plus and it earns 1.5 BA miles per GBP.

for 120 pounds card fee per year, I'd rather purchase those extra miles. It will come cheaper.

So far, all American carriers give 100% of miles flown in economy and also have about a billion partners to earn even more. In Europe most airlines offer that 100%, but it seems there aren't many more ways to earn a few extra miles.



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User currently offlineHS748 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6180 times:

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 5):
for 120 pounds card fee per year, I'd rather purchase those extra miles. It will come cheaper.

Depends how much you spend on your card. For someone spending £12,000 on their card (that's only £1,000 per month) they would get 18,000 miles - you can't buy 18,000 miles for £120!

[Edited 2005-10-22 10:00:04]

[Edited 2005-10-22 10:02:49]

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 6143 times:

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 5):
So far, all American carriers give 100% of miles flown in economy and also have about a billion partners to earn even more. In Europe most airlines offer that 100%, but it seems there aren't many more ways to earn a few extra miles.

Executive Club is really a bigger version of United Global Services. Basically, if you do fly on enough high end tickets, they will give you the keys to the the whole place. If you don't, they give you basically nothing. Elite status on US carriers might give you a 1 class upgrade on domestic flights (SWUs for 1Ks on United), plus lounge access on internationals (usually second tier and higher), but is not much more than that.



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User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 23 hours ago) and read 6110 times:

I agree: BA are crap for those of us who can't afford premium fares. I earnt some miles and tier points on LAN about 6 months ago. It took them 6 months to credit them - and then removed the tier points straight away because they had "expired" in June when my membership year ended! Huh? I couldn't use them because they were too slow awarding them, and when they did reward them, I still couldn't use them because the year ran out?!?!?!

CO, though, are very good.

Geoff M.


User currently offlineDavidT From Switzerland, joined Oct 2005, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 23 hours ago) and read 6088 times:

Perhaps they're aiming EC at the premium traveller? Business is where BA makes a substantial part of their income.

User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 6013 times:

To get on the Exec club 'ladder' is very difficult, but once you 'make it' it offers some of the best rewards of any FF club, I've been told.


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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12877 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 5972 times:
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If you read BA's blurb on the Executive Club, it is designed specifically to reward the frequent business traveller. It isn't an out-and-out FF program. There are no automatic upgrades or free tickets. Yes, if you travel economy on a discounted ticket (as I do when I'm paying!) then you get poor miles. However, if you are Gold level, then you get a lot of bonus miles.

I've been Gold level for two years and have only been upgraded once on BA (this week as it happens, from "World Traveller" to "World Traveller Plus". Previously, my only upgrade when I was still only Silver level, was on IB from CCS to MAD - economy to business (very nice!)

You can get higher levels of rewards with the BA Amex card, but you have to pay an annual fee (not cheap!)



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User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3713 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 18 hours ago) and read 5919 times:

Quoting HS748 (Reply 6):
Depends how much you spend on your card. For someone spending £12,000 on their card (that's only £1,000 per month) they would get 18,000 miles - you can't buy 18,000 miles for £120!

Exactly, it gets cheaper the more you use it, and you get 3 BA miles per GBP spent with BA  thumbsup 


Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 4):
Well other FF progrems are becoming like Exec Club. On discounted economy fares on Lufthansa you on ly get 175 miles compared to the minimum of 1000 of a standard fare. On BA you get 195, so it is even better than LH.

Minimum earning per flight is 125 miles on discount tickets and 500 on premium.


Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 10):
To get on the Exec club 'ladder' is very difficult, but once you 'make it' it offers some of the best rewards of any FF club, I've been told.

I wouldn't say it is difficult by any means, but the rewards are better. BA Silver/OW Sapphire has the same benefits as *A Gold.



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User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 17 hours ago) and read 5841 times:

I'd have to agree that BA's Executive Club program has its limitations :

1. BA's flights are pretty full on the sectors I fly (JFK - Europe, Asia) so upgrades are rare. CO, VS and AA upgrades are a lot easier. On Gold status, I averaged less than one upgrade a year, so the upgrade value of this FF program was low for me.

2. Lounge Access and Premium Check-In are great benefits if you are traveling WT - a Silver level benefit. However, if you are traveling Club, this is of no value.

3. UK-based members are able to get to a higher tier level sooner than their US counterparts. This is both because of reward structure and the opportunity to fly short hops.

4. BA is not part of AMEX membership miles, which would be a huge plus.

5. Tier points and mileage accounting seem to err in BA's favor, unless you fly simple iteneraries in J and F.

5. If you've been a Gold level holder for ten years, and then have no reason to fly the next year, you start at the bottom again. You can be loyal to BA, but BA isn't very loyal to you! (True also for most FF programs.)

6. If you do a part miles part cash J ticket, they don't let you use the Arrivals Lounge at LHR. This was my personal low point experience with EC.

Overall, the US FFs feel friendlier and more forthcoming. Perhaps BA's popularity is also its undoing.

I think BA should revamp its EC USA to send a clearer message that it appreciates its business customers.


User currently offlineTu114 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 17 hours ago) and read 5832 times:

The whole point of the BAEC is to reward premium passengers - and it does that very well.

If you're a Silver or (even more so) Gold EC member BA do make a special effort to smooth your journey and assist with any problems you have even when you're travelling on deep discount tickets.

Anyway, if you research your ticket options carefully enough it's really not that much of a challenge to make Silver every year - you just need a detailed knowledge of which fares get points.


User currently offlineHighpeaklad From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 16 hours ago) and read 5799 times:

If BA were to award more miles to the lower fares, its costs from the programme would increase substantially. It is called the Executive Club for a good reason, to reward those travelling on full fare tickets , and it seems to do it well. Perhaps that is one of the reasons why BA is more profitable than other airlines.

Chris



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User currently offlineKaneporta1 From Greece, joined May 2005, 749 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 5788 times:

Quoting HS748 (Reply 6):
Depends how much you spend on your card. For someone spending £12,000 on their card (that's only £1,000 per month) they would get 18,000 miles - you can't buy 18,000 miles for £120!

That's not entirely true, the simple, no annual fee credit card, gives 12000 miles each year. In order to get the extra 6000 miles of the premium card you need to pay 120 pounds. It costs about the same to buy the extra miles, so the premium card isn't all that great. And compared to American cards, 12000 pounds = $21220 that would give 21220 miles, almost the amount of miles needed for a return trip to anywhere in Europe (25000 miles needed).



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User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 5706 times:

Quoting Highpeaklad (Reply 15):
If BA were to award more miles to the lower fares, its costs from the programme would increase substantially. It is called the Executive Club for a good reason, to reward those travelling on full fare tickets , and it seems to do it well. Perhaps that is one of the reasons why BA is more profitable than other airlines.

Absolutely! The Exec Club simply isn't aimed at leisure passengers who mainly use the Traveller cabins. The majority of BA's profits come from business passengers - hence they, along with top-end leisure travellers, are the ones who gain more rewards for their loyalty.

To me it seems sensible rather than unfair.


User currently offlineBjornstrom From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 329 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 5701 times:

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User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3713 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 5632 times:

Quoting Comorin (Reply 13):
3. UK-based members are able to get to a higher tier level sooner than their US counterparts.

Not true, US EC members have the same tier levels (600pts for Silver & 1500pts for Gold) as UK and the rest of the world. Only continental European members have the ease of only earning 400pts for Silver and 800pts for Gold.

Quoting Comorin (Reply 13):
6. If you do a part miles part cash J ticket, they don't let you use the Arrivals Lounge at LHR. This was my personal low point experience with EC.

Not true either. The lounge wardens fed you a duffer on that one.

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 16):
That's not entirely true, the simple, no annual fee credit card, gives 12000 miles each year. In order to get the extra 6000 miles of the premium card you need to pay 120 pounds. It costs about the same to buy the extra miles, so the premium card isn't all that great.

Presuming you charge that amount, I've charged almost 100,000 to it in the last year and the extra 50,000 miles I've earned have certainly been worth the extra fee.

BTW, you don't need to spend 120GBP on the annual fee. If you've an Amex Plat or Centurion it's free, and also do a search for Premium Plus 1, Premium Plus 2 and Premium Plus 3 in the terms and conditions of the card  

[Edited 2005-10-23 01:23:19]


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User currently offlineKaneporta1 From Greece, joined May 2005, 749 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5480 times:

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 19):
Presuming you charge that amount, I've charged almost 100,000 to it in the last year and the extra 50,000 miles I've earned have certainly been worth the extra fee.

Maybe you're in the royal family or won the lotto or something, but the job I'm starting in 2 weeks is gonna pay me 21k a year, so 12k a year on the amex card is way more realistic for me.



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