HPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3661 posts, RR: 8 Posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3918 times:
Out of 38 stations that were home to both US and HP, 13 have successfully transitioned to all-US. This leaves 25 remaining, and November will see nine more.
The schedule looks like:
Nov. 2 - LAX (US club to be reopened)
Nov. 9 - MKE
Nov. 10 - IND
Nov. 10 - MIA
Nov. 16 - DTW
Nov. 16 - RDU
Nov. 17 - CMH
Nov. 30 - ATL
Nov. 30 - DCA
Swadispatcher From United States of America, joined May 2004, 427 posts, RR: 10 Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3726 times:
Anyone know if this will free up any gates in LAX T1 now?
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Jmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3159 posts, RR: 17 Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3695 times:
Quoting Swadispatcher (Reply 1): Anyone know if this will free up any gates in LAX T1 now?
Yes. It frees up much-needed gates for HP to use that were previously used by US and vice versa. The problem is that the gates are not contiguous. Perhaps they could negotiate with WN to allow for better logistics.
Midway737 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 118 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3530 times:
Well, at ORD, America West gates will join the exist US Airways gate therefore the ticket Counter which is obviously at Terminal 2 so that shouldn't be a problem.
Tornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3420 times:
At IND is there room in that US/UA concourse to add the (couple?) HP flights as well?? Seems like every time I'm through there (though admittedly I'm primarily on CO/NW through there... only UA/US when the stars are aligned against me so to speak) that all those gates are always full.
CBPhoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1506 posts, RR: 6 Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 3186 times:
MSP should be interesting, because as far as I know, HP leases the gates from NWA, so unless they work out some sort of an agreement with the "new" US, US will have just one gate at MSP!!
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22024 posts, RR: 51 Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 3171 times:
Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 2): Yes. It frees up much-needed gates for HP to use that were previously used by US and vice versa. The problem is that the gates are not contiguous. Perhaps they could negotiate with WN to allow for better logistics.
Yes will help with busier HP having access to former US Air gates which on their own have pretty poor utilization due to the carrier LAX schedule.
I think the only thing SWA would like to negotiate is a way to get HP/US to move out of T-1 completely. More realistically however, yes some gate swaps could indeed take place maybe possibly even netting SWA another gate or access to gates during certain periods of the day. As is HP's current gates were previously swapped with Southwest to allow SWA have complete reign of the Eastside of T-1.
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USFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1785 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 3163 times:
At MSP, I heard that with the departure of TZ, US is in negotiations with the MAC to get E-4, hopefully moving in before Christmas. This would give US E-2 and E-4.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 10 hours ago) and read 2852 times:
Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 2): Yes. It frees up much-needed gates for HP to use that were previously used by US and vice versa. The problem is that the gates are not contiguous. Perhaps they could negotiate with WN to allow for better logistics.
Like Laxintl said, unless they are moving out completely, there is not really a way of doing this. As is, WN parks on opposite sides, so unless HP/US wants to shuffle down to the bottom of the west side of T1 and give the west side and the end of the terminal to WN, I don't see it happening. Additionally, US has the widebody gates at T1, which allows them to park a 767 doing a turn, so they may indeed want to remain mindful of that.
Quoting CBPhoto (Reply 8): MSP should be interesting, because as far as I know, HP leases the gates from NWA, so unless they work out some sort of an agreement with the "new" US, US will have just one gate at MSP!!
While they may want to move next to each other, as it is, even though HP has taken over US, all obligations of the respective carriers (other than those disposed of by US under bankruptcy protection) carry over to the new one. That also means that all obligations of other carrier to them (NW's lease agreement with HP) also carry over
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CBPhoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1506 posts, RR: 6 Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 9 hours ago) and read 2520 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 13): While they may want to move next to each other, as it is, even though HP has taken over US, all obligations of the respective carriers (other than those disposed of by US under bankruptcy protection) carry over to the new one. That also means that all obligations of other carrier to them (NW's lease agreement with HP) also carry over
N1120A...Thanks for the peice on info, I did not realize that.
Delta767 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 238 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 2344 times:
Does this mean that these stations will no longer have flights to PHX and LAS? What does it mean all US? or does that mean simply that the HP station will be consolidated with US (ticket counter, gate, etc.)?
Iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4089 posts, RR: 7 Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 2171 times:
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Quoting CBPhoto (Reply 8): MSP should be interesting, because as far as I know, HP leases the gates from NWA, so unless they work out some sort of an agreement with the "new" US, US will have just one gate at MSP!!
I'm surprised NW would want to lease a gate to a competing airline..
A330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 47 Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 2066 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 13): While they may want to move next to each other, as it is, even though HP has taken over US, all obligations of the respective carriers (other than those disposed of by US under bankruptcy protection) carry over to the new one. That also means that all obligations of other carrier to them (NW's lease agreement with HP) also carry over
While that's indeed a problem at a few airports where HP is a signatory carrier, it's not a problem at airports where HP subleases from another carrier or is handled by another carrier--those agreements are all very short-term. As you said, it's not an issue at all for US, as they were (and actually still are for another month) able to get out of airport leases through their bankruptcy.
Quoting Iowaman (Reply 17): I'm surprised NW would want to lease a gate to a competing airline..
All airlines do it. US itself subleases gates and/or handles flights for a number of its competitors.
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Pilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 2021 times:
Quoting CBPhoto (Reply 8): MSP should be interesting, because as far as I know, HP leases the gates from NWA, so unless they work out some sort of an agreement with the "new" US, US will have just one gate at MSP!!
From what I've heard, the HP gate is leased from the MAC.
Quoting USFlyerMSP (Reply 10): At MSP, I heard that with the departure of TZ, US is in negotiations with the MAC to get E-4, hopefully moving in before Christmas. This would give US E-2 and E-4.
We know for sure that FL will be getting a 2nd gate at MSP. I haven't seen anything official from the MAC, but some news reports said it was the TZ gate.
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N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 1820 times:
Quoting Delta767 (Reply 15): What does it mean all US? or does that mean simply that the HP station will be consolidated with US (ticket counter, gate, etc.)?
Well, it either means HP will be consolidated with US where US is stronger (BOS comes to mind) but that US will go where HP is in places like PHX and LAS
Quoting Iowaman (Reply 17): I'm surprised NW would want to lease a gate to a competing airline..
Happens all the time
Quoting A330323X (Reply 18): While that's indeed a problem at a few airports where HP is a signatory carrier
HP shouldn't really be a problem, as they are the controlling carrier
Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 20): Will CO run the gate for the new US @ OKC, since they ran for HP @ OKC?
If they want to keep the revenue they will
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Av8rPHX From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 713 posts, RR: 9 Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months ago) and read 1596 times:
I'm surprised NW would want to lease a gate to a competing airline..
The gates that HP leases from NW in MSP currently are C15 and C16 for the other two RON aircraft that come in from LAS and PHX at night. C9 is the gate in MSP that HP leases from the MAC.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months ago) and read 1587 times:
Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 22): Don't look for Southwest to negotiate anything that would help USAir streamline it operation.
If it streamlines WN's operation as well, I am sure they could find common ground.
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25 USFlyer MSP: At MSP, I hear US is getting E-4 and the MAC is going to make F9 share E-5 w/ FL because they are not in compliance with the minimum usage clause in a
26 Pilottim747: Thats probably the best solution if the schedules can be coordinated. With the current schedules F9 has a 6:30a dept while FL has a 6:20a and 7:00a d
27 Flyboy7974: what's the situation now in philly, i mean with hp before using D6/D8/D10, i know those gates were shared with co since co did all the handling, but i
28 A330323X: Generally some combination of B5/B7/B9. US obviously still uses the gates as well.
29 Apodino: Recently, USAirways has been parking planes here as well. The RON ZW CRJ's that come in from Philly have been parked here for RON, as well as during
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