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Hypothetical: Logistics Of SAN At Miramar?  
User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3253 posts, RR: 15
Posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

I realize the ongoing debate continues as to where to build the replacement for Lindberg Field in San Diego. It's a known fact that Miramar would be the ideal location if it weren't for the NIMBYs. The parallel runway configuration makes it even more ideal. I was looking at the Google Maps of Miramar and was wondering where on the field would be the optimum location for the passenger terminal, long-term parking, roadways as well as cargo, catering and rental car facilities. Should there be direct access off I-15, bypassing Miramar Road?


http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=32.86...41&spn=0.031709,0.054957&t=k&hl=en


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16820 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

The Marine Corps should swap properties with SAN, the Marines take Lindbergh Field and the Airport Authority takes Miramar.

Lindberg's runway is more than adequate for the Corp's missions, plus it's close proximity from North Island means there could be some cost savings from having the Administrative functions handled by North Island.



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User currently offlineFutureUALpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
The Marine Corps should swap properties with SAN, the Marines take Lindbergh Field and the Airport Authority takes Miramar.

Lindberg's runway is more than adequate for the Corp's missions, plus it's close proximity from North Island means there could be some cost savings from having the Administrative functions handled by North Island.

Exactly what I have always said! I think it makes sense to do so but I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that Miramar is more than just the air station. It has training facilities, housing, etc. around it. If something could be done about that I dont see why the Marines should have a problem moving their air wing to SAN.



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User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

I, for one, have always thought that "swapping" properties would be a bad idea, if only because downtown is not the best place for a Marine air base. Those military aircraft are even louder than the commercial ones (a fact that residents around Miramar don't seem to realize) and aren't on rigid flightpaths. But that's neither here nor there.

The layout of a civilian complex at Miramar has always been a mystery to me. I believe the Airport Authority used, as a point of reference, the idea of a terminal complex in between two 11-12000 foot runways which were angled slightly more northwest than the parallels there currently. Still, many other arrangements are conceivable.

In my opinion, access to the terminal should be from all major arteries bordering the area (CA-52, I-5, I-15, and Miramar Road) in order to minimize congestion. For that reason, a terminal complex in between two parallels may be the best option.

I can only hope that one day this won't be a hypothetical situation.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3253 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1851 times:

Quoting Trvlr (Reply 3):
I believe the Airport Authority used, as a point of reference, the idea of a terminal complex in between two 11-12000 foot runways which were angled slightly more northwest than the parallels there currently. Still, many other arrangements are conceivable.

Are you suggesting new runway configurations altogether, differing from the current layout of the two parallel 12000' and 8000' runways which are spaced at about 800 feet apart? I thought it would be far more economical to utilize the existing two runways which are more than adequate for any aircraft.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1820 times:

Miramar is on plenty of land to put a good sized terminal with an FIS in and not spend millions screwing with the runway/taxiway infrastructure. The US government has even offered the field to the City of San Diego for free at times. I don't however, think they should swap, rather SAN should be a primary GA hub for the area, which would relieve Montgomery and Gillespe and provide excellent downtown access. The Marines can move elsewhere.


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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

Quoting Jmc1975 (Thread starter):
I was looking at the Google Maps of Miramar and was wondering where on the field would be the optimum location for the passenger terminal, long-term parking, roadways as well as cargo, catering and rental car facilities. Should there be direct access off I-15, bypassing Miramar Road?

There was a papaerback book written in 1994 regarding the vote of doing so at the time, written by a former mayor of San Diego. I don't remember the title, try looking it up on Amazon.com.

The book was filled with facts that we beyond me at the time, like pilot confessions about the current SAN and the NIMBY that is already there, etc. But a portion of the book described the airport layout.

Beside Miramar Rd, a bypass freeway (like 52 but on the north side of Miramar) would irrigated traffic from either I-805 or I-15 into the new SAN. In addition, connecting the San Diego Trolley or the Coaster to the new SAN by old the raillines that went into Miramar during the Cold War era. The airport would have used existing fields and some hangers. Most of the construction would be to make the terminals and parking structures. I do not what was the fate of the existing businesses along Miramar Road, maybe the freeway passed overhead...

Quoting STT757 (Reply 1):
The Marine Corps should swap properties with SAN, the Marines take Lindbergh Field and the Airport Authority takes Miramar.

Lindberg's runway is more than adequate for the Corp's missions, plus it's close proximity from North Island means there could be some cost savings from having the Administrative functions handled by North Island.

Brilliant!

[Edited 2005-10-24 04:47:36]


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16820 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
The Marines can move elsewhere.

El Toro!..



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