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Negative Impact Of No-frills On Eastern Europe  
User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5285 times:

Been reading the new Easyjet book by Lois Jones and within their is a chapter which looks at the impact of airlines like Ryanair and Easyjet on the Czech Republic, Estonia and Poland.

While these airlines have provided positive economic impacts they have also had many negative affects.

The author interviewed many people in these host countries and they are appalled and shocked and quite resentful of hoardes of stag and hen parties, and lager louts behaving badly in their cities.

Mooning, fighting, being abusive, gangs of British stag parties harrasing local girls and the growth in strip joints and lap dancing to provide entertainment to this growing form of tourists.

The passengers who years ago were flying Dan Air or Britannia and getting drunk and behaving badly in Lloret and Magalluf are now causing the same havoc in Prague and Tallinn. The 'lager louts' now travel with Easyjet and FR where they can go on a stag weekend to Prague for the same cost as a 'P*** up' in Blackpool.

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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5262 times:
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Quoting Orion737 (Thread starter):
Mooning, fighting, being abusive, gangs of British stag parties harrasing local girls and the growth in strip joints and lap dancing to provide entertainment to this growing form of tourists.

The passengers who years ago were flying Dan Air or Britannia and getting drunk and behaving badly in Lloret and Magalluf are now causing the same havoc in Prague and Tallinn. The 'lager louts' now travel with Easyjet and FR where they can go on a stag weekend to Prague for the same cost as a 'P*** up' in Blackpool.

It is interesting that all the negative examples you have given involve Brits . Low cost airlines operate into these same destinations from Belgium without causing any problems so perhaps the solution is not to ban low cost airlines - but rather to ban your countrymen from travelling until they learn how to behave themselves
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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5257 times:

I agree with you. Britain has always had a problem with 'lager louts' and badly behaved tourists. Years gone by it was Lloret, Magalluf and Ibiza where they headed, smashing up pubs, mooning, peeing in streets, being abusive and fighting and causing disruption.

More recently it was Faliraki on Rhodes but thanks to EasyJet and Ryanair, low fares and the prosepct of cheap beer once there, these kind of tourists, many going for long weekends on 'stag' or 'hen' do's are now jetting off to Prague and Tallinn.

Many of the people in these countries are fed up of this behaviour, which before the advent of LCCs was virtually unheard of in their cities.

A good point was made about the growth of strip joints, lap dancing and prostitution all which seem very popular with hoardes of British lads.

Many older British Woman also think that because many in these countries are less wealthy than Brits, they might pick up a 'toyboy'

I really hope countries like Czech Republic try and address these problems before the social and cultural make-up of their people and cities is eroded.


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5684 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5254 times:

Blame it on the pathetically useless, corrupt and ignorant city government in Prague - they should get their priorities straight and decide what sort of tourists they want to attract to Prague.
Maybe instead of wasting millions on TV ads for Prague on CNN and god knows where they should i.e. deal with the taxi mafia once and for good - something they have been incapable of (unwilling?) so far.
To make it even more absurd these clowns want to apply for hosting the 2016 Olympics... As if there wasn't enough debts to be repaid after the 8 years of soc-dems running the government. Because of three weeks of sports on TV we'll end up like Argentina couple years ago.

[Edited 2005-10-24 11:51:06]

User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5188 times:

Talinn, Riga and Prague are all promoted as ideal weekends for 'stag parties' hen parties' binge drinking at cheap prices' and good looking, ahem, totty.

One comapany with the name of 'Prague piss ups' have long been organising stag dos, claiming an 'all nighter is cheap and that with pub crawls and strippers,

The man behind this scheme is called Tom Kenyon whom in addition to Prague also now offers trips to Talinn and Riga. According to Kenyon, 'low cost flights and stag parties and drinking, go hand in hand'

This type of tourism is bad news for these destinations. they may well soon end up wishing that these tourists would stay away and try and reinvent these destinations to suit couples and older tourists.

A Spokeswoman for tourism in Prague said 'We welcome the increase in tourists from cheap flights but when it is a group of 20 British men on a stag party, it sometimes isnt very nice'

EasyJet and Ryanair have made visiting these cities cheap plus the prospect of cheap beer, means that this type of 'drinking culture' which causes many British market towns to become no go areas full of fights and lewd behaviour is spreading to Eastern Europe.

[Edited 2005-10-24 13:12:04]

User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5175 times:

It's amazing how British lager louts and lasses have managed to turn what were, a few years ago, cut off, exotic east european cities into places to get sh*t faced cheaply Sad

Indeed, us Brits travel so much on these cheap flights, that we overwhelm them. For example, 10 years ago La Rochelle was a very French coastal resort. Now, thanks to LCC, it's full of British accents...



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5155 times:

Yes. Remember when resorts like Lloret de Mar, Magalluf and San Antonio were full of yobs and lager louts, the papers were full of stories of all day binge drinking, fights and lewd behaviour. Spain made an effort to discourage these type of tourists and it worked and these resorts now are much better as a result.

I feel sorry for many of these destinations in Eastern Europe which are full of British passengers all flying for £50 return on easyJet or Ryanair. They desperatley need the business but with that has come lewd behaviour, strip joints, lap dancing, happy hours, uriniating in public, harrassment of local women and the streets and hotels been full of gangs of lads on stag dos looking for a piss up on the cheap.

I read that the British authorities is aware of the impact of some of these LCC passengers and awre working with Czech authorities and Police to clamp down on violence and drunk behaviour.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24914 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5146 times:

Yes, stop people from going to Eastern Europe to spend money thus providing no money for Eastern European countries to develop leaving them in a state of crapness.
Really Orion737, is there anything you DON'T bitch about?  Confused



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5130 times:

Yes but with the financial benefits comes a social impact. You know what many of our town centres are like on a Saturday night! Idiots binge drinking, fighting, urinating and causing havoc.

These gangs of stag dos are having an adverse imapct on the cities of eastern Europe. Encouraging lap dancing and stripping as a way of earning money and even worse, prostitution.

The British authorities are concerned G Kirk, its not just me!


User currently offlineMeridian From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5121 times:

Makes you so proud to be British, doesn't it? I have actually been put off travelling to some of these cities, ie Tallinn and Riga because I feel embarrassed by the exploits of some of these Brits. The local police should prosecute them as hard as they can, and then the airlines they flew in on should ban them for life. I know that's hard to do, but something needs to be done. You can't blame the LCC's for the behaviour of the little idiots this country produces.


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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5114 times:

No but the LCC carriers with their cheap fares have facilitiated this.

These destinations are now suffering a similar problem as what blighted Spanish resorts years ago and more recently Faliraki.

In Faliraki, these lager louts and gangs were getting worse and the police had a real problem. Locals and hoteliers were living through hell. Setting off fire alarms, baring their genitals and in some extreme incidents, rape and sexual assaults and violent attacks.

Lets hope the authorities tackle this problem before it gets out of hand.


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5104 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 8):
Encouraging lap dancing and stripping as a way of earning money and even worse, prostitution.

Seems this post is more about you looking for something else to complain about than your concern for the well being of our European counterparts. If this thread is, which I suspect, about your dissaproval of the above, perhaps you should repost this in NonAv.

That said I dont see how someone who ogles at Jet2 crew. and who offers to hold hands with our younger members can be offended by such things!

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 7):
Really Orion737, is there anything you DON'T bitch about?

Yes. Dan Air and Britannia.  sarcastic  Big grin

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User currently offlineJmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1298 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5087 times:

The charter airlines of the 80's did it in Spain, now its just shifted. No difference really.

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 6):
Yes. Remember when resorts like Lloret de Mar, Magalluf and San Antonio were full of yobs and lager louts, the papers were full of stories of all day binge drinking, fights and lewd behaviour. Spain made an effort to discourage these type of tourists and it worked and these resorts now are much better as a result.

It still happens in these resorts. Spain don't exactly discourage it. What they do is MANAGE it better. At the end of the day, if you provide it they will come. And these places do provide. Spain is a good example. Magalluf (as an example from personal experience) is very well run on a whole. Its there for the young and lively (the authorities know that) and they let people have their fun. However, any trouble and they're on top of it straight away.

Greece is another good example. The last few years they've experienced the rough end of the 18-30 lot. However, they are now starting to manage it much better and the resorts are improving.

I don't condone the actions of many of these Brits doing what they do. But its not all one sided. Like I said, these places cater for this type of tourism. If they didn't, then people wouldn't go. It's irresponsible though of authorities to cater for it to get there £££ and then turn round and say "Oh no what a mess, look what all these brits have casued". they must be prepared to manage it.


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5074 times:

I am concerned about the impact of this type of tourism on cities such as Prague.

We all hear about the sex workers in Britain who come from eastern Europe and many of the young men and women see a job at a strip joint or as a prostitute to entain gangs of British lads on Stag dos many of whom are holidaying in these cities for the same as they could in Blackpool, as an easy way to make money. That has a knock on effect on the culture and life of these cities.

It is a real problem and one which I am glad to say, is being addressed by the police in these countries and the authorities.

While there is no doubting that airlines like Easyjet and Ryanair serving Eastern European cities has had positive economic impact in the hotel and the retail sector, we must also acknowledge the darker side.


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5684 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5063 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 7):
Yes, stop people from going to Eastern Europe to spend money thus providing no money for Eastern European countries to develop leaving them in a state of crapness.

Sure, couple of CZK off VAT from the beer sales and money spent in mafia run brothels will be something like 2nd Marshall plan for this country...  Yeah sure  Yeah sure  Yeah sure

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 10):
No but the LCC carriers with their cheap fares have facilitiated this.

They are in the market to make money offering affordable fares. It's not their fault what sort of people boards thir aircraft, as I said before I'd blame the "destination" for not being able to attract more sohisticated crowd of tourists.


User currently offlineAirEuropeUK733 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 976 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5062 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 11):
Quoting Gkirk (Reply 7):
Really Orion737, is there anything you DON'T bitch about?

Yes. Dan Air and Britannia.

Don't forget Air Europe  Wink

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User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5030 times:

It's Catch 22. I was talking to a bar owner in Albufeira here in the sunny Algarve a while ago about it. He said that whilst they might be low quality lager louts who have a few fights and break a few chairs, they do leave a large amount of money behind. They'll bring £500 for a 3 day stag weekend, and still need more from the cash machine. Compare that to the nice quiet locals who have very little spare cash right now and might spend £20 in a night,.... you get the point.


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User currently offlineJoshdean From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5026 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 1):
perhaps the solution is not to ban low cost airlines - but rather to ban your countrymen

Right on. I am always embarrassed whenever I go abroad and see the Brits speaking to the locals the way they do and behaving with total disregard for the country they are in. It's made worse by the fact that it's likely to be the same people who have a go at the eastern Europeans when they are in the UK telling them to 'pi** off and go and find a job in your own country'. They should stick to Blackpool.


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5028 times:

Quoting Joshdean (Reply 17):
I am always embarrassed whenever I go abroad and see the Brits speaking to the locals the way they do and behaving with total disregard for the country they are in.

Totally agree. I heard some Liverpudlian 'scum' (thats the best verb for them) loudly comparing Hungarian women to Llamas while on board our Jet2 flight from BUD-MAN just a few weeks ago.

But how this can be blamed on an airline, as Orion suggests, is beyond me.

7LBAC111

[Edited 2005-10-24 14:31:08]


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User currently offlineRedDragon From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1135 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4984 times:

Don't you see, 7LBAC111? It's the fault of the airlines, as Orion has clearly stated, for offering fares that are too accessible to the plebs and underclass of British society. Hence, rather than restricting said underclass to our own shores, where they are currently dragging the country back into the dark ages, the low-cost airlines are allowing them to travel abroad and wreck the rest of the world. If it weren't for LCCs, flying would still remain the privilege it used to be - when ladies wore pencil skirts, gentlemen had nicer bums to look at down the aisle, and grannies everywhere had free cups of tea with which to take their vital medication. Prague, Tallinn and the like would be full of upper-class Lords and Ladies - and I mean real ladies, not the so-called "ladettes" we have in these new-fangled times - patronising the poor, simple native folk who would be grateful just to receive a shilling from the British.

What do you mean, we don't still use shillings?


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4969 times:

Quoting RedDragon (Reply 19):

Hehe. Very good.

7LBAC111



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4957 times:
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Quoting Joshdean (Reply 17):
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 1):
perhaps the solution is not to ban low cost airlines - but rather to ban your countrymen

Right on. I am always embarrassed whenever I go abroad and see the Brits speaking to the locals the way they do and behaving with total disregard for the country they are in. It's made worse by the fact that it's likely to be the same people who have a go at the eastern Europeans when they are in the UK telling them to 'pi** off and go and find a job in your own country'. They should stick to Blackpool.

Oh no! I compose what I think is an ironic response - and I end up getting quoted ! I will probably find myself with a price on my head - and even worse , face the withdrawal of my British passport .

The point I was trying to make , and several other people have obviously made it more clearly than I have , is that it is ludicrous to blame the low cost airlines for a problem created by a small number of people who utilise them . The people are responsible for their own actions . The large number of people who use low cost airlines and do not create any problems should not be penalised because of the actions of a few . I agree with the ( I hope) tongue in cheek response from Red Dragon - to my mind the threads against LCC's smack more of snobbery from those who feel that the "privilege" of travel should be reserved for those who have traditionally been able to afford it .

Having worked both in the travel industry and in the hospitality industry I can easily think of a dozen examples in my own personal experience of appalling behaviour from people who can afford business/first class airfares - as I can from people travelling on rock bottom fares ..... and I am sure that if arrogant or offensive behaviour while abroad thus embarrasing your country were grounds for "grounding" someone then the Duke of Edinburgh would have long since been confined to the British Isles - yet , to the best of my knowledge , he doesn't regularly travel on U2 , FR or any other low cost carrier .



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7090 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4939 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 10):
No but the LCC carriers with their cheap fares have facilitiated this.



Quoting Orion737 (Reply 13):
I am concerned about the impact of this type of tourism on cities such as Prague.

Its great... Dublin is now a cosmopolitan city again now that that scallies have somewhere else to go.

I'll blame it all on the Tory Party and Lady Diana... If it wasnt for Maggie, these people wouldnt have the money to go away! As for Lady diana... if it wasnt for her loose morals, we would all be church going and be in bed at 8pm on Friday night  Smile



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4924 times:

Without the low fares of EasyJet and Ryanair, such destinations like Riga, Prague and Tallinn were beyond reach of many of the lager louts. Before airlines like EasyJet starting flying to these places, your average 'binge drinker or sex mad hooligan hadnt even heard of Prague or Riga.

These destinations are finding themselves with a real problem on their hands. While they welcome that the LCCs have put these destinations on the map for the Brits and bring in hundreads of tourists each week to spend money, they are also shocked at the way some of these tourists behave.

One Estonian lady told the author of the Easyjet book ' These Brits get loud and drunk and want to take their trousers off'

While drunken behaviour and rowdy stag parties are tolerated as they bring in vital business, there has also been an increase in strip joints and lap dancing clubs and prostitution. This is very worrying and I fear that some girls in these destinations see that kind of job as a quick way to get money and are probably been exploited and also causing problems for their families and communities.

It is all very well saying this isnt the fault of the LCCs, they must take some blame as before their arrival on the scene a weekend of drunken, loutish debauchery was out of the price range of most yobs.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4909 times:
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Quoting Orion737 (Reply 23):
Without the low fares of EasyJet and Ryanair, such destinations like Riga, Prague and Tallinn were beyond reach of many of the lager louts

without the low fares of EasyJet and Ryanair, such destinations as Riga, Prague and Tallinn were also beyond reach of many of the ordinary , hardworking , lawabiding members of the less upwardly-mobile British public who , after years of being criticised for only going to lowbrow destinations ( because that was all they could afford) decided it was time for them to actually visit cities rather than resorts , time to meet the real people , time to try the local cuisine rather than the fish and chips or pies and peas that everyone offered them at the resorts , and maybe even time to see some of the cultural sights that these historic cities have to offer ( and while there to spend some of their hardearned GBP to the benefit of the locals. )



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25 Orion737 : Good point, although the tourists who are the problem, gangs of men and women on stag and hen parties or gangs of mates going for the cheap sex andf c
26 Kiwiandrew : irrelevant - as you yourself admit they do not fly to the destinations which are the subject of the thread you started - do you have any links to sim
27 LTBEWR : Many tourist locations in the USA, Mexico and the Carribbean also had similar problems with young party animals with the cheap fares that came with de
28 Pe@rson : You must put it all into context: low-cost airlines now enable millions more people to fly more often. The presence of no-frills airlines has, general
29 Birdbrainz : The problem isn't the low-cost airlines, they just move the problem from one place to the other. The bartenders in Prague and elsewhere need to prohib
30 Post contains images Diesel1 : Any of us can raise an issue like this... the clever ones amongst us can also suggest solutions, so Orion737, here's your opportunity I think most of
31 Oly720man : Change the British attitude to alcohol and the obsession that a good time can only be had by taking it in vast quantities.
32 Diesel1 : Thanks Andrew... that's a good build (would have liked to have heard it from Orion737 though, but I'm sure he'll appreciate your help)- how should we
33 Adriaticflight : As prices rise in these cities stag parties will not find then such great places to go. Already there are parts of "Eastern Europe" (I personally pref
34 7LBAC111 : But it's not the airlines concern! They don't give a flying sh*t what you do when Granny gives you £50 to go away for the weekend, all they care abo
35 Aleksandar : Do they? After all, I believe there are lots of young students that can now afford to go to such places. I believe there are lots of wild Brtis in Sp
36 Greenjet : Estonian, Air Baltic and many more also offer cheap deals to these places. Yet oddly enough they don't get mention... If you think that strip joints
37 Orion737 : I would like to point out that many of my comments and what prompted me to start the thread was I have just finished reading the book 'EasyJet by Lois
38 Aither : A very similar thing is happening in Asia when Japanese go to China for instance. Some say this is due to over social constraints in their home countr
39 7LBAC111 : The book is one person's perspective, and I'd be simply amazed if the author of this book was trying to blame Easyjet in any way for the issues you r
40 RedDragon : But none of these suggestions have anything to do with LCC ticket prices. Do you think that low prices are part of the problem or not, Orion? Surely
41 Checo77 : Its just a small correction: Czech Republic is NOT in Eastern Europen but in CENTRAL EUROPE along with Poland, Slovakia and Austria. Eastern Europe i
42 TheSorcerer : I agree with both of you, I don't see a problem with people getting wasted cheaply but there's no need for the rest of it. The Spanish police don't t
43 TheSorcerer : Orion it isn't their problem, the local police should introduce a zero tolerance policy and who gets a bad reputation? The British people do , not FR
44 Egmcman : It's wrong to blame U2 & FR people like my parents a couple in their fifties fly U2 several times a year. The people you are talking about are probab
45 FlyLondon : Maybe the author should interview the local people in Britain and document their reaction to the hoards of Eastern European prostitutes plying their
46 BY188B : and on the flip side, do all the tourists from eastern europe who come to Britain behave themselves?
47 Adriaticflight : Or maybe interview the sick men who visit them? I would agree, but when people say Eastern Europe they mean 'formally Socialist country.' This is goi
48 Thestooges : Having worked in youth hostels in both Amsterdam and Sydney, cities that both recieve a very large amount of drunken disruptive British tourists, I am
49 Post contains images Cornish : Hmmmm interesting topic - and one that i can see from the perspective of a brit and someone who used to live in one of these destinations - Budapest.
50 Post contains images Amhilde : Actually, I believe LA '84 was the LAST Olympics to actually make money while the rest, especially the Greeks, have been saddled with debts to repay,
51 Post contains images RedDragon : Strangely enough, Orion himself has gone quiet on the matter... he hasn't holed himself up, masturbating over your starring role has he, Cornish? (Wh
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