Jerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 253 posts, RR: 1 Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5531 times:
Frontier's frequency increases will include the following:
Beginning November 6, 2005:
* Denver to/from Salt Lake City (SLC) from four mainline flights to five.
Beginning December 18, 2005:
* Denver to/from Dallas (DFW) from five mainline flights to six.
Beginning January 4, 2006:
* Denver to/from Phoenix (PHX) from six mainline flights to seven.
* Denver to/from Las Vegas (LAS) from six mainline flights to seven.
* Denver to/from Chicago-Midway (MDW) from four mainline flights to five.
Jetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2691 posts, RR: 35 Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5169 times:
It probably is just a coincidence;with more flights coming into DEN means they need more connections, I don't think they added more flights to defend they're hub.If they wanted to defend their hub the would add a lot more gates(if there is space)where WN couldn't buy any gates,or pospond their flights into DEN because of construction work on making more gates and/or terminals.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26005 posts, RR: 78 Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5105 times:
Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 17): If they wanted to defend their hub the would add a lot more gates(if there is space)
F9 is pretty much out of room, especially after UA decided to swallow up gates in A for Ted, much to F9's chagrin. WN would be in the C concourse, likely taking both the 1 free gate there plus that of TZ.
Milemaster From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1043 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5050 times:
Glad to see the additional DFW F9 flight as it will increase the number of connection opportunites. The few times I flew them this year they were oversold departing DFW, even overheard the station manager comment how it's been that way consistantly for quite some time.
FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4074 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4966 times:
Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 12): I think, however, Southwest will definitely be a competitive threat to United.
I don't. UA has a lot of feed at DEN, and will easily be able to hold their own. In Chicago they deal with WN just fine (and don't give me the crap about how WN is at a different airport, they freakin' own MDW), Independence did a whole lot of nothing to them in IAD, and F9, while taking some market share, has not really crippled UA either (in fact, I think I read somewhere that the two airlines actually help each other in some weird twisted way). I look at this sort of like what WN going into ATL would be like...while ATL is obviously a much stronger airport for DL than DEN is for UA, it's a similar situation...large network carrier and a strong LCC, and that's about it.
N471WN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1369 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4670 times:
If Frontier were smart they should consider Colorado Springs now that WN has passed on it. I know the whole Western Pacific story but there is no way that Frontier can compete with WN on identical routes. After all, they did not really compete with UAL in that they were afraid to underprice them and so in the process they pissed off the Denver people just like United. I got hit with a $100 change fee on a one day change 6 weeks in advance. They cannot get away with that now that WN is in their house. I love their planes, the animals and all that but they had a chance to "open up Denver" and they failed to do so. Now that opportunity is lost and folks will stream to WN---I will be one of the first.
25 TWAAF9: Hate to burst your Southwest bubble, but WN has fees for changing your flight, just like anyone else. And forget free same-day standby, too.
26 DLKAPA: Oh trust me, they can. One airline has PTVs, a huge local following with multiple daily frequencies to almost every major market (with the exception
27 UAPremierGuy: LOL Azstar. Anybody know the frequencies on this route? We know Frontier's, what about America West? That is one of their hubs and point-to-point ser
28 SWALoveField: That is not true. WN has no fees for changing your flight reservation. You are only charged (or credited) the difference in fare. Robb Dallas, TX
29 N1120A: Um, I wouldn't exactly call Chicago (or anywhere) a hub for WN. Look at it this way. UA has like 500-600 departures per day at ORD, AA has almost as
30 DLKAPA: So instead of going with normal A320 service they were smart by running higher-capacity TED in a flooded market?
31 Iowaman: I feel the same way. There is seemingly endless LCC demand between DEN-DFW/MDW and especially LAS, even though LAS yields are going to be crap and al
32 N1120A: United is stupid to run Ted on any service. I mean, do they really think that running a 4 F/A Ted bird will make them more money and expose them to l
33 Flyboy7974: MSYtristar, where did you find or get the info about F9 losing on the phx market? are you able to load info on an employee site that shows load factor
34 DLKAPA: I completely agree. TED is only in existance to cook the books on mainline, as far as I can tell. They really don't do much and UA employees (at leas
35 Ckfred: I saw an article in Saturday's Chicago Tribune about the new WN service to DEN. Mike Boyd, a well-known analyst in the airline sector, thinks that F9
36 Mariner: If they did not underprice United, why did United start Ted? Frontier's fares are capped - mainline United fares are not capped - Ted's fares are cap
37 Flashmeister: Mike Boyd, a well-known analyst in the airline sector, thinks that F9 and UA could very well pummel WN, since the competition between F9 and UA have k
38 PVD757: I also think that DEN is a big enough market to support a modest WN operation. Look at the feed from east coast stations that have NO DEN (UA or F9) s
39 Gigneil: Southwest won't be anywhere near #3. I'd expect Delta to probably retain that title. There's only so much WN can do out of 2 gates. N
40 Georgiabill: I agree with all these points brought up in this thread. 1 WN isn't going to put anyone out of business by serving DEN. 2 A few carriers like AS AA wi
41 Acjflyer: An increase of frequency between DEN and SLC is a great idea. I just got back from a weekend trip to DEN from SLC and both flights were full. The serv
42 PVD757: BDL, RDU, PVD, MHT, and BUF (seasonal?) could all support a 1X DEN on WN, F9, or UA. UA and F9 have the CR7 whcih makes some of these even more doable
43 AirFrnt: Denver has a lot of capacity,and that capacity is fairly well spread out among the different carriers. Airtran, American, American West, Alaska, Big S
44 Flashmeister: I think ultimately depending on gate space and passenger growth you could see a 40-50 flights a day. Just my opinion. To run 40 flights a day, WN nee
45 Lightsaber: First, I'm amused how much noise is being made over WN getting two whole gates at DEN. Please, don't go out on a limb. Are there any more gates "up fo
46 MaverickM11: I think we'll see a similar situation as DTW or CLE where NW and CO have respectively kept WN at bay with only a handful of marginally full flights.
47 UAcosCS: Give em' HELL F9 They would be a bigger threat to F9 before they would UA Keep believing that, UAL has never had the chance to take them down. F9 wou
48 Ikramerica: Guy, that's not true. You don't just "point out when I am wrong." You pick arguments over mundane things or "correct" things that don't need correcti
49 Mariner: It seemed funny to me, given the fuss about DAL. But then - people say I have a warped sense of humor. There is no progress - the gates are not (y
50 DAYflyer: My money is on the airline with the animals on the tails then. Given WN history in Denver, plus Frontier being a sentimental home-town favorite gives