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Air NZ Orders 2 More 787s  
User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4096 posts, RR: 90
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10797 times:
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At least according to Reuters, any 777s?


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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6482 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10726 times:

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/051025/3/29is4.html


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5674 posts, RR: 48
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10714 times:

Good stuff. The 787 is inching ever so close to 300 commitments. Currently at 295 with these two converted options.


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User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10608 times:

Must admit I was expecting a larger combined 777/787 order.

User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4615 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10467 times:

The announcement as advised to the NZ Stock Exchange..
http://www.nzx.com/market/market_announcements/by_

It seems to me that NZ is waiting on Boeings decision whether to proceed or not with the 747ADV.


User currently offlineBlsbls99 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10460 times:

Great news for ANZ and Boeing.


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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10389 times:
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This is only a teaser guys, there is a bigger announcement coming. I just can't tell you what is in it - yet.

NZ1

[Edited 2005-10-26 01:05:44]

User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10357 times:
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SunriseValley, your link is broken.
Click here instead

NZ1

[Edited 2005-10-26 01:12:03]

User currently offlineN60659 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 654 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10343 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 6):
This is only a teaser guys, there is a bigger announcement coming. I just can't tell you what is in it - yet.

NZ1, was this order for only 2 aircraft because of this:
" Air New Zealand Chief Executive Officer Rob Fyfe says Air New Zealand had been guaranteed firm delivery slots for the two additional aircraft."
Link to full article:

http://www.nzx.com/market/market_announcements/by_company?id=122588

-N60659



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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10298 times:
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Quoting N60659 (Reply 8):

That was part of it yes. There is a lot of talk in the pipeline going on at the moment, and I will let you into a secret, NZ are discussing the option of ordering the 747Adv.

NZ1


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10262 times:

Awesome! Keep us posted!


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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2435 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10255 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 9):
I will let you into a secret, NZ are discussing the option of ordering the 747Adv.

Wow, that's quite a little tidbit there. Boeing says they need a 2nd customer in order to launch the model, would be cool if it was NZ - especially nice because it would be a pax version not a freighter. Hope it happens, would love to see the 747 continue to grace the skies for many more years.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10243 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 9):
NZ are discussing the option of ordering the 747Adv.

Would that be an order for 8? Or how many?


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10233 times:
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Quoting Zvezda (Reply 12):
Would that be an order for 8? Or how many?

Thats something I cannot say at the moment. I only said it was being discussed, not a fore gone conclusion.

NZ1


User currently offlineZkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10098 times:

I wonder what could be bigger then a fleet order?? scrapping the idea of sacking 600 anzes people


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User currently offlineNZAA From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10032 times:

I am sure they can slowly whitle down 600 jobs, with people taking volluntary redundancy and retirements. And also not hire any more people and they will be able to cut jobs resonably easy with out having to make people redundent.
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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10002 times:
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Quoting NZAA (Reply 15):
I am sure they can slowly whitle down 600 jobs, with people taking volluntary redundancy and retirements. And also not hire any more people and they will be able to cut jobs resonably easy with out having to make people redundent.
Trav

If only that were true. Sorry, but I dont think management are interested in this option. They want a quick fix, and will do anything to get it. Just look at past history.

NZ1


User currently offlineNZAA From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9935 times:

True true,
Are you refering to the lay off of flight engineers??
Trav



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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9903 times:
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Quoting NZAA (Reply 17):
Are you refering to the lay off of flight engineers??
Trav

That, and the way catering was just shut down/sold. They consulted over that too, but again, it was just a legal hurdle they had to jump. They always wanted it gone, and in the end it was.

NZ1


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4615 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9798 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 9):
NZ are discussing the option of ordering the 747Adv.



Quoting NZ1 (Reply 6):
This is only a teaser guys,


In a recent posting you indicated if I understood you correctly that the present -400 fleet would be in service well past 2010 so I wonder if 747ADV's were acquired when would they be needed? It would seem to me that to fit them into the fleet the present -400 fleet would have to be deployed differently and used instead of the often rumoured favourite, the -300ER.


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9519 times:

Hey NZ1

Any rough ETA on when to expect an announcement about the big order?

Thanks

SUJ


User currently offlineBrutie From New Zealand, joined Sep 2003, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9445 times:

As always, thanks heaps for the info NZ1. Really look forward to seeing the final outcome!

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9403 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 18):
That, and the way catering was just shut down/sold. They consulted over that too, but again, it was just a legal hurdle they had to jump. They always wanted it gone, and in the end it was.

They really should have taken a look at how much keeping a hold of catering has done for CO before doing that.

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 20):
Any rough ETA on when to expect an announcement about the big order?

Why would NZ make an announcement in ETA and not AKL??

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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9270 times:

WOW!!!!! 747ADV would be so much better than 773ER especially the wider seating plan 3-4-3 in economy class!! and I am guessing that these 747ADV's would have 777 style storage bins so that would be awesome too!!!!!!! This is an exciting time for NZ!

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6482 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9223 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 20):
Any rough ETA on when to expect an announcement about the big order?



Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
Why would NZ make an announcement in ETA and not AKL??

Estimated Time of Arrival



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25 Post contains images NZ1 : Not yet, as it is still in discussion Maybe you are right NZ1
26 N1120A : Dude, it was a signed by post.
27 ZK-NBT : Nice. Can't wait for an even bigger order, hopefully including the 747ADV.
28 Halophila : Excuse my ignorance, but who might the 1st customer be?
29 777ER : Or... Estimated Time of Announcement Cargolux, i think for 10x B747ADVs
30 Post contains links Iwok : This is pretty big news for NZ, and the possible 747-ADV additions and more 777/787 would really increase the widebody fleet. What are the potential r
31 NZ107 : Will NZ buy any more options?
32 V2fix : This is good news after the recent bad news. I was wondering if the guaranteed slots were just offered by Boeing and Air NZ snapped them up or if they
33 Kiwiandrew : I notice that this announcement says NZ is expecting to introduce the 787 in 2010/2011 - seems quite late for an airline which was the second to orde
34 777ER : Yes NZ were the second airline to order the B787 and should be the second airline to receive the B787s. NZ ordered B787-8s which is the first B787 mod
35 Post contains images Kiwiandrew : thanks for the quick response
36 NZ1 : That would be correct. Why we bought 4, I don't know. The 767 leases start expiring from the new year. If I remember rightly, 3 leave next year. NZ1
37 Kiwiandrew : thanks NZ1 I am sure that I am not the only one here who appreciates that even though you obviously have a lot on your mind at the moment you still t
38 NZ747 : If Air NZ do order the B747Avd, what benefits will they get if they are the first passenger launch customer? Which ones are going? Regards, NZ747
39 777ER : Obviously big discounts, might get more discounts for compensation over the B772ERS Forget which regos, but the B763s that cost more to lease then th
40 SunriseValley : Thus in my view, this puts South Africa and South America on the strong possibilies list for future route expansion.
41 Post contains images Kiwiandrew : I would love to think so , South America in particular , but realistically could NZ fill 744's on these routes at sufficiently high yield levels ? To
42 NYC777 : Is it possible that they will announce additional orders for the 787/777 as well?
43 N1120A : AKL-JNB is within the 744's range, though JNB's hot/high issues I am sure would hamper such an operation. The 788, however, will have more than 1000n
44 Post contains images Kiwiandrew : Hi N1120A Thanks for that , I am aware that technically AKL-JNB falls within the 744 range , but as you say , the hot and high issue at JNB complicat
45 PM : So if ANZ do order the 747ADV they'll end up with the Trent 1000 and GEnx? Shame they couldn't have the same engine on both...
46 SunriseValley : NZ will not be doing their own overhaul on these big engines since they are likely to do "power by the hour" deals with RR and GE so it really doesn'
47 NZ1 : I think it was ZK-NCN, NCO and NCH, though don't quote me. Ill need to check the list at work tonight. There is a possibility yes. Remember though th
48 Post contains images N1120A : I wouldn't either, though it would not be a massive detour if ETOPS 330 were approved and the 787 will likely have an engine out speed that makes it
49 PM : Really? Surely this means two contracts with perhaps two providers whereas a single - larger - contract for just one type might be cheaper. Moreover,
50 N1120A : The differences in the engine subtypes would likely mitigate those factors a bit By all accounts, the Trent 1000 is, at least initially, looking to b
51 PM : Exactly, and I continue to wonder if that may in some cases prove to be an added obstacle for Boeing when trying to sell the ADV to airlines who pref
52 N1120A : There are two main reasons Boeing went GEnx only on the 747ADV. First is costs, as they want to keep them as low as possible and only getting one eng
53 Ukkiwibird : This is great news for Air NZ. And i thought they were in slight financial trouble , nothing excessive. But of course they will soon not have to pay f
54 SunriseValley : I would imagine NZ is well skilled in providing maintenance for a variety of engine's that various operators use on flights through AKL. I doubt if t
55 Zkojh : 'N1120A' Well NZ1, discuss and launch the sucker I think NZ1 and the team are more into finishing the 3rd 744 refit,-(still on for a 5th Nov release??
56 Pilotdude09 : That crossed my mind as well, wasnt it a bit......soon cheers
57 NZ1 : At this stage yes it is. I myself find it ironic they can announce 617 highly skilled people will be cut adrift to save $20 million per year, only to
58 Monteycarlos : Why?
59 KiwiinOz : The outsourcing of the maintenence jobs is a strategy to increase the financial contribution, ie by using lower cost suppliers. Of course this doesn'
60 777ER : Because there was a thread a few weeks ago about NZ placing a big order, using some of its B777 and B787 options, but so far only 2 B787 options have
61 NZ1 : The 'official' and final announcement will be made on 19th December, but hey mate, its a done deal. Like I said earlier/in another thread, the compan
62 ZKSUJ : Sucks but you got to do what you got to do. Good luck to you and all the NZ MX crew that will be affected.
63 Post contains images Kiwiflyer791 : Quoting NZ1 (Reply 61): I am probably going to stick my hand up for voluntary redundancy, take the cash, and go do something else. I have had a gutsfu
64 NZ1 : Are you one of them too? NZ1
65 ANZ772 : Wonder how seriously Air N.Z are considering 747ADV order NZ1?. I guess Boeing would need more than one airline as a launch customer.
66 Monteycarlos : The funny thing with aircraft orders is that an airline needs money to buy them. Air New Zealand doesn't have a whole lot of that at the moment.
67 777ER : B777s and B787s would be using options at the agreed fixed price with Boeing. Didn't NZ have a few billions in reserve, or am I thinking of a differe
68 Monteycarlos : I'm not sure they got "billions" from selling Ansett parts...
69 777ER : Profits would be from all parts of NZ since then
70 Oz777 : Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 66): The funny thing with aircraft orders is that an airline needs money to buy them. Air New Zealand doesn't have a whole
71 TG992 : Two fallacies in two posts - how surprising. Monteycarlos - you may learn something here. To the other a.net members, I apologise for rehashing this
72 Monteycarlos : Seriously... before you get your pants in a twist and cry, read between the lines. Yet upper management still panders on 'cash issues.' But before yo
73 NZ1 : What the HELL has the NZ 787 order got to do with Ansett, and the past. PLEASE can we stick to the topic. Someone always has to detract from the discu
74 Monteycarlos : Why do you guys get so sensitive about that? I know that it didn't occur but its a bit hard to denote sarcasm here. Especially with you uptight mob.
75 VirginFlyer : Please keep this thread on topic. OZ777 and TG992 have both made very salient rebuttals to Monetycarlos' points. The Ansett issue has been discussed t
76 NZ1 : I couldn't give a toss about the past mate. Just sick of every time talk turns to Air NZ finances, you or your fellow Aussies turn it into a AN/NZ de
77 TG992 : How predictable .. when proven wrong, attack the messengers. From "The guide to power-Usenet posting", which has floated around on the internet for ye
78 Monteycarlos : Alright, alright... Incidently, does someone have a link to this apparent conversion of options? Perhaps if someone were to provide that then I would
79 Post contains links VirginFlyer : Monteycarlos - http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q4/nr_051027i.html V/F
80 Monteycarlos : I meant about the 777's.
81 Zeekiel : NZ hasn't exercised any of it's options on 777 (well until now at least). The options that have been exercised are two 787 aircraft. There may be an
82 JAL : Wonderful news!!!!!
83 Kiwiflyer791 : NZ1, Do you have any proof that it is a done deal (confirmed outsourcing contracts etc). Could make a very interesting legal argument don't you think
84 Zkojh : its sad that there shutting down the maintance group, so who is going to maintain the T7's in the short run, as TVNZ said 'light maintance will be dow
85 NZ1 : I have a document in fron of me that states NZ are putting in place agreements with outside maintennace organisations right now, with a view to outso
86 Post contains links 777ER : I read in todays Dominion Post that the RNZAF could give the NZ engineers a life line because the RNZAF are offering ANZES work, even thou the RNZAF h
87 ZKSUJ : Yea but I doubt RNZAF would need over 600 extra engineers.
88 NZ1 : That and the fact not many people are going to want to uproot their lives to work in OHA etc. Thats a huge shift for someone to make, kids/schools et
89 SunriseValley : To expand this subject somewhat, is it anticipated that NZ will use the same seats as in the 777 and -400 refit or are there new seats being developed
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