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User currently offlineB777Boeing From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 24 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5984 times:

I have seen pictures of damaged stored aircraft on television since Hurricane Wilma. I was curious if these aircraft were at MIA or Opa Locka in FL. If any one has pictures of the damage at MIA or FLL I would love to see. I am surprised that there is so much damage to keep FLL closed.

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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5888 times:

One thing I have always wondered, why don't people who own aircraft move their planes out of the way of hurricanes? Think about it, airplanes are the most expensive possessions that are also the most vulnerable to hurricanes. They are also the easiest to move out of the way of a hurricane. If I had a plane and a hurricane was coming, you can bet I would get it the hell out of the hurricanes way.

User currently offlineCaboclo From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5801 times:

What about the airlines? Do Arrow and Amerijet leave their planes there during a storm?


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User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 725 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5756 times:

According to the Sun-Sentinel here's the latest...

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...770.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines


Miami...The airport was still making repairs to damage caused by the hurricane; 39 of 98 jet bridges needed to be fixed, Floyd said.


FLL and PBI just don't have power...

North Perry I know it's not a commercial airport saw some heavy damage to planes on the ground...


The Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood area was hit extremely hard and i don't think the news is focusing as much on the Hollywood/Dania area where the airport is located as they are on Northern Broward County and Miami...It's pretty bad jsut south of 595 from what my parents are telling me.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5729 times:

Latest info I have is that PBI has restored power and is operational.

FLL has power also, but water pressure is an issue. Some flights will run but only noon-six or so, as they also have a general curfew for the city/area.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5718 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 1):
They are also the easiest to move out of the way of a hurricane. If I had a plane and a hurricane was coming, you can bet I would get it the hell out of the hurricanes way.

Yeah, I mean people should abandon their homes and their families, worth far more to them than any single engine toy, skip out on preparing for the hurricane, and just take off and fly the things to safety. Why don't more people do that?  Wink



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User currently offlineEksath From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1265 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5629 times:
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Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 4):



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 4):
FLL has power also, but water pressure is an issue. Some flights will run but only noon-six or so, as they also have a general curfew for the city/area.

Hi OPNLguy,

Can you expand on that? I have a 9pm 10/26 arrival at FLL right now...Maybe i should I should reschedule

thanks



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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5588 times:

Quoting Njdevilsin03 (Reply 3):
Miami...The airport was still making repairs to damage caused by the hurricane; 39 of 98 jet bridges needed to be fixed, Floyd said.

Hmmm not all true.... hello from Miami! FTL is closed and Terminal 1 needs major repair.

MIA was back open at 5:15pm today on Tuesday...1st flight landed at that time. I had to pleasure of seeing a LAN 763ER fly over my house at around 6:30pm over my house...a much welcomed site after seeing only Red Cross/Army Helicopters.

All is well...

greetings from Miami.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5525 times:

Quoting Eksath (Reply 6):
Hi OPNLguy,

Can you expand on that? I have a 9pm 10/26 arrival at FLL right now...Maybe i should I should reschedule

There's a general curfew from 7pm Tuesday evening to 7am Wednesday morning, and that could be extended. The Mayor said driving is dangerous because signals are out and people are blowing intersections.

I'd check out Miami TV stations and newspapers for what's going on, and contact your airline to see their plans for Wednesday.


User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5464 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 1):
why don't people who own aircraft move their planes out of the way of hurricanes?

Or maybe next time, the weather channel can be a little more precise about the category of the hurricane.I live in Miami and between cat. 1 and cat. 3 there's a BIG difference.Why worry if the "experts" say that it's not going to be a problem for S.F? Angry  Angry


User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5398 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 1):
One thing I have always wondered, why don't people who own aircraft move their planes out of the way of hurricanes?

I was on Tamiami Airport in 1992 maybe two weeks after the hurricane Andrew passed over and asked them exactly this question. For me as an European, living in a place without this weatherphenomene it seems logical to fly the planes out.

They told me then, that first it was only that severe really in the core of the hurricane and that it couldn't be estimated that precisely where it goes by that there was enough time to move all belongings out. They also explained that they were thinking that the doors of the hangars would resist, what they did not then.

Looking at the case like this I am tempted to say as well, fly it out... How I really would react, I don't know as situations are always looking quite different if someone is involved personally and it's not going to be a scenario but serious.

Without wanting to bring up some bad intention, but can somebody explain me how the situation with the insurance is after a hurricane, regarding aircraft? If I read the policy of our aircrafts, the policy says that "major forces" and natural disasters are excluded. On the other hand I once lost a car in a flood and this was covered by the hull insurance. Does anybody have experience or knowledge how they handle those cases regarding the hurricanes?

Thank you for explaining and to all of you, being in the affected areas my sincere wishes that you may have the situation back to normal soon and that hopefully this hurricane season comes now to an end.

Cheers
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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5384 times:

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 9):
I live in Miami and between cat. 1 and cat. 3 there's a BIG difference.

First, it was predicted to come through MIA for a week, and it did. You had time to prepare. Prepare for the worst is the best advice you can ever follow.

Second, it was predicted to be about a Cat 2, and it was. They claimed Cat 3 in headlines, but there WERE NO REPORTED CAT 3 SUSTAINED WINDS, only gusts. Gusts don't make a classification. It's max sustained winds. That means it was a Cat 2.

Cat 2s can be nothing or can be very BAD. As a Miami resident, you've actually ducked a lot of storms recently, but I've been in a Cat 2 in Key West, and it was about the same kind of damage Key West saw this time (more storm surge form the north this time).

No idea why Cat 2 storms aren't called major. They tend to do a lot of damage and cause a lot of flooding. Anything over 100 mph sustained should be called a major hurricane. The 111 mph threshold makes little sense in terms of damage.

I'd like to see the whole system revamped, based on size, intensity, etc. It is a remnant of a time before radar and computers, and is very non-descriptive.

A new classification system would make it much more useful to the layman, the person actually in danger.



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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5237 times:

Ikramerica a hurricane is a hurricane. Im really surprised at the damage though, it seems it didn't lose any intensity at all from one coast to another. Some communities.. and nature aren't used to hurricanes. Last year Charlie passed through the Orlando area and you still see trees bent and huge oaks and pine trees with most of the brances cut and leaning to one side. Last year I had just left orlando a week before Charlie hit, now I'm not in s.florida to see wilma.. lucky  Wink

I imagined the damage would be only a few downed trees in Miami-Dade and South Broward, I'm not there to see it right now though.

I saw on the news a TAM A330 landing and they were saying that was the first flight to land at MIA.

..as far as OPF I was shocked to see the ex JAS A300 that I had just shot some months ago in perfect conditions had been rammed by another airliner and has a big hole in the fuselage now.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5216 times:

American Airlines mainline has, for the most part, resumed normal operation. American Eagle has not, since they are still in the process of flying their planes back to MIA. They were parked in Nassau, Freeport, and Valparaiso.

All domestic airlines except Delta has resumed full operations. European airlines also all appear on schedule to land today at MIA, as well as most international airlines, some, like BWIA, operating an extra flight for the day.

[Edited 2005-10-26 17:32:53]


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5055 times:

Just to update:

Select American Airlines flights remain canceled due to crew and fleet shortages, but most flights are operating. All flights from Miami to Cancun are, obviously, canceled. Virgin Atlantic will be operating an extra flight from and to Heathrow today to carry stranded/delayed passengers.



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User currently offlineKomododx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

Mark,

By when will Eagle be back on track? I had a friend coming up to JAX Friday and returning Monday (still hoping to see AEagle in TLH), but she's flying non-rev. Any chance? Or should we just forget about it?

Stefano  wave 


User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4323 times:

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 7):
Hmmm not all true.... hello from Miami! FTL is closed and Terminal 1 needs major repair.

Wait is that FLL? I hope not, T1 is with a lot of airlines. It is weird that I was lounging out in T1 by jetBlue in Concourse C about 2 months ago watching the planes go by and enjoying the terminal and now it needs major repair. Hard to imagine.

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User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5398 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4265 times:

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 7):
Hmmm not all true.... hello from Miami! FLL is closed and Terminal 1 needs major repair.

As a matter of fact, we have a special one time direct from PBI
FL flight # 2002: PBI-BWI. Departed PBI at 1520 due to arrive at BWI at 1744 gate D 21 with 90 pax on board!  bigthumbsup 

And our flights in and out of MIA which are to and from ATL
are flying!

Best of luck to all of you A-Netter's in Florida! Hang in there! BTW, how are actual conditions in Miami Beach and Sunny Isles, FL?

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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5108 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

I agree with some here, that say a hurricane is a hurricane. I think once it gets to hurricane status Cat 1, take the storm very seriously. I have only had the "privilege" of enduring one storm that started as a CAT3 and changed to a CAT4 as it passed over the island, that was Hurricane Ivan last year, and trust me, when next I hear the word HURRICANE, I will be going very fast in the opposite direction if I can.

Hurricanes have unbelievable power, kind of hard to describe on here, just need to see it yourself. YOU HEAR A HURRICANE IS COMING? DON'T TAKE CHANCES, EVEN IF IT "MAY" NOT HIT YOU DIRECTLY, PREPARE!!!

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User currently offlineMGA From Nicaragua, joined Mar 2005, 726 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3770 times:

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 1):
One thing I have always wondered, why don't people who own aircraft move their planes out of the way of hurricanes?

I´m pretty sure some airlines pull their planes out of harms way. I know for a fact that Amerijet (cargo based at MIA) either leaves their planes at the destination they served or fly them to another airport. The other airlines, I dont know. Perhaps an AA employee from MIA can help us?

MGA



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3719 times:

Quoting Komododx (Reply 15):
By when will Eagle be back on track? I had a friend coming up to JAX Friday and returning Monday (still hoping to see AEagle in TLH), but she's flying non-rev. Any chance? Or should we just forget about it?

Eagle should be on track by tomorrow. The only issues they have been having are lack of planes since they are parked at VPS, NAS, and FPO. Mostly all the planes are back by now.

As for flying non-rev, I don't forsee it will be problem on MIA-JAX. It probably would be on most routes, like to the Northeast and major hubs airports, but I don't think a regional flight to JAX should be a huge problem.



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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3161 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Yeah, I mean people should abandon their homes and their families, worth far more to them than any single engine toy, skip out on preparing for the hurricane, and just take off and fly the things to safety. Why don't more people do that?

Please, spare me your sarcasm. I managed to get a condo boarded up move two cars and a boat to a safe location plus organize the evac of company personal that happened to be in Mexico. I did all this in 1 day, 3 days before the hurricane even made land fall. Nobody put at risk, just smart planning.


User currently offlineAviation From Australia, joined Dec 2004, 1143 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2935 times:

Miami Has to be one of the greatest Airpost in the world, what a history!


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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

MIA seems to be back on track... saw a LAB 763ER on final today... and lots of AA Silver Birds flying over Downtown Miami!

Good to see MIA getting back to normal slowly...

Checking the departure board MIA is still not fully functional w/ AA, LAN, TAM, US and some TED flights dominating the departure board mostly. Tommorow im sure we will see more carriers up there.

Any reason why LAX and SFO arrivals to MIA tommorow morning (Red Eye) on AA are still cancelled? That would mean alot of stranded passengers in LAX if all 4 or 5 flights and the 3 flights to SFO are cancelled until now.

Not sure about FTL I believe they open tommorow.



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User currently offlineDB777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2713 times:
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FLL is reported on TV to be reopening tomorrow from 0700 to 1900. This is the longest closure duration of FLL since Hurricane King in 1950 according to one of the local TV stations tonight. The early closure is thanks to the curfew at 2000, which is sure to grate on people's nerves when they're out trying to get food or gasoline and have to go home empty handed. The cops ran everyone off from a local open McDonald's drive-thru in my neighborhood (the only place open for miles) last night and told the restaurant manager to shut down because of the curfew.

Anyone coming down here for fun in the next few days will be disappointed. There are huge areas without power, especially in Broward County, and long lines for everything at the relatively few places that are open (groceries, restaurants, gas stations, etc.) If you love excitement then come on down because every intersection with dead traffic signals is an invitation to suicide with many drivers not stopping as required by law, even with temporary stop signs erected on the street in some places. Patience is wearing thin thanks to the power outages and the traffic snarls due to dead traffic signals, and when the cool dry weather ends in a day or two and people are all hot and sweaty it will get worse.

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25 MIAMIx707 : well I just saw a picture in the welcome screen of my internet provider of a car's rear end on top of another car's hood in a parking lot.. tornado,
26 LGA777 : DB777, I hope you can still make it to BOS ? Regards LGA777
27 Post contains images DB777 : Yes, I got a bunch on Tuesday morning before any cleanup started. I'll get them uploaded one of these days. The t-hangars southeast of the CG Air Sta
28 DeltaGator : How true. A little bit of a variation here. Take care of boarding up the house, pack your suitcase, move the cars to higher ground, and then fly out
29 DB777 : It turns out that only the first FLL-BOS flight is cancelled and it's due to the curfew that doesn't expire until 0700. I was given bum information w
30 Post contains images FlyMIA : Yep it sure it ! Random comment but very true. Power is finnally starting to come back in Dade County. MIA is running pretty much normal now. Not sur
31 UAL747DEN : We have no helicopters at the American Red Cross. There is no aircraft of any kind. The most exotic form of transportation we have is a Hummer. Peopl
32 MIASkies : Since everyone seems to be deviating from the topic.. for a change I thought about going back to it... MIA - Airport Update.. Post Wilma: I just drove
33 AtlasAir : where are the pictures?
34 Post contains images Zippyjet : That northernmost seaside communitty in Miami Dade County, aka North Miami Beach. When I visit Miami, I usually stay at the Thunderbird and chow down
35 Post contains images FlyMIA : That is a very old picture there. Sunny Isles has changed alot since than. I have no idea how old the picture is early to mid 90s maybe. But its chan
36 USF100FAN : FLL has flights in & out all day pretty heavy today.....I work at the airport for Bombardier we are still closed due to no power.......Fed Ex recieved
37 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : yep. With weaker storms though, 60% of the time the weather channel and the authorities exaggerate things as happened recently in Houston where the e
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