PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 3987 posts, RR: 93 Posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3119 times:
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According to an interview from Mr Humbert and Mr Leahy they expect to sell 50 to 60 A350s to China over the next 12 months.
Oct. 26 (Bloomberg) -- Airbus SAS, the world's biggest maker of commercial planes, said China's airlines may buy 50 to 60 of its A350 aircraft in the next 12 months, as it steps up a push to sell its latest model to keep a sales lead over Boeing Co.
Airbus has commitments for 143 of the A350 model and is aiming to sell 200 by the end of 2005. The manufacturer, based in Toulouse, France, is in talks with three Asian airlines to buy the 257- to 297 seat plane, said Airbus Chief Executive Gustav Humbert, declining to give details.
``The category of A330 and A350 planes is ideally suited to the demands of China,'' said Airbus Chief Commercial Officer John Leahy, in an interview today in Tokyo. ``A lot of A330s have been sold in the Chinese market'' and ``I would expect to have 50 to 60 orders for the A350s in the next 12 months,'' he said
I assume that Mr Humbert is referring to SQ, QF & CX as some of the Asian carriers they could be talking to. Be interesting to see which Chinese carriers order the A350. Given their need for capacity I don't think too many recent A330 orders will be converted to A350s
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 70 Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3069 times:
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter): According to an interview from Mr Humbert and Mr Leahy they expect to sell 50 to 60 A350s to China over the next 12
Well that is quite some goal. It will be interesting to see if hey can pull this one off.
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
I assume that Mr Humbert is referring to SQ, QF & CX as some of the Asian carriers they could be talking to.
Hi Wings I'd rule out PAL as they're on record as needing A340 or B777s and also Garuda who have committed to 10 + 10 B787s. The Government of Indonesia has just confirmed financing for their 787 order too. I think Thai and MAS are good candidate's too.
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2916 times:
Quoting WINGS (Reply 1): Well that is quite some goal. It will be interesting to see if hey can pull this one off.
I do not think it will be hard for them to meet at all. Unless things have changed recently, all aircraft purchases in China are centralized through a single company which is run through the political apparatus. Since the Chinese have signed up for 50 787, I think a comparably sized A350 is a near-sure bet.
I think some of the outsourcing has been announced.
BoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1588 posts, RR: 18 Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2902 times:
Quoting Jet-lagged (Reply 3): Not too big a surprise. China will split their dollars for 787/A350s, to mess with both players.
Exactly. It's more in the lines if the A350 didnt get the 50 orders from China... than Airbus is doing something wrong.
This is very expected and its another sensational news story at time when there isn't much going on. Just my 2 cents.
MidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 16 Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2655 times:
Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter): Airbus has commitments for 143 of the A350 model and is aiming to sell 200 by the end of 2005.
I thought that Airbus was not going to sell 200 A350's by the end of the year?
Lehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 22 Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2492 times:
Is that good to mention? What if those Chinese carriers change their minds? They have not placed an order, just showing interest, or current trends show a need for several aircraft that fits A350's current specs. Everybody shows interest in something at any one time. That's like Boeing showing off Virgin's interest in SC...
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PM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6717 posts, RR: 65 Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2436 times:
Chinese airlines have placed in quite recent times broadly comparable numbers of orders for 787s and A330s. It would be interesting if they followed with a substantial order for A350s. Numerically, if nothing else, that would give Airbus something of an edge - not least since the 767 has never been popular in China. Interesting.
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2771 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 2277 times:
What's John Leahy doing in Tokyo, trying to sell the A350 to a Japanese carrier? No way that's ever going to happen.
A380 is still a possibility with JL.
A320 is a possibility at some of the LCCs.
Quoting PM (Reply 8): not least since the 767 has never been popular in China.
FM, CA, MU, & HU all operate 767s. The number may not be huge but its competitor AB6 & 310 operate with only MU & CZ in combined smaller numbers than 767s.
It's really only been since the late 1990s that Chinese carriers have started to build up its widebody fleet.
Shenzhen From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 1701 posts, RR: 2 Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 2193 times:
Will these materialize before all the A380 orders in China, or after. Seems like every time Airbus launch a new product (last couple), they point to all the orders the Chinese will make in the near future.
I was talking with a Chinese airline that are being courted by both Boeing and Airbus for the 787/A350, and all they wanted to talk about was the 787.
Before I get slammed, I'll admit now that anything can happen
FCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2347 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 2137 times:
I read somewhere (do not remember where) that the Chinese airlines are not ready yet to order planes , to be delivered after the Olympic games.
Seems too early to speak about an A350 Chinese order.
PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 3987 posts, RR: 93 Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 2101 times:
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Quoting Carpethead (Reply 9): What's John Leahy doing in Tokyo, trying to sell the A350 to a Japanese carrier? No way that's ever going to happen.
While A350 orders may not be expected from Japanese carriers Mr Humbert and Mr Leahy finalised the outsourcing of 3% of the A350 production to Japanese Industrial firms at the same time. They're doing business, just not selling airplanes to them.
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2771 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 2023 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 13): So what are you saying, that Airbus shouldn't even try? That they should just roll over, play dead and let Boeing have the market?
Unfortunate or fortunately that is the case with the big two in regards to the 100+ seat aircraft category purchases.
PHXinterrupted From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 1914 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 8): Chinese airlines have placed in quite recent times broadly comparable numbers of orders for 787s and A330s. It would be interesting if they followed with a substantial order for A350s. Numerically, if nothing else, that would give Airbus something of an edge - not least since the 767 has never been popular in China. Interesting.
Of course you don't mention the obvious in that the 330 has been for sale a lot longer than the 787. Typical.
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 1895 times:
Quoting PM (Reply 8): Numerically, if nothing else, that would give Airbus something of an edge - not least since the 767 has never been popular in China.
The Chinese have been operating B767 for quite a while and the fleet is not particularly small. If you ever visit Beijing, you will see quite a few 767.
Mariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 22719 posts, RR: 88 Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 1877 times:
Quoting Carpethead (Reply 15): Unfortunate or fortunately that is the case with the big two in regards to the 100+ seat aircraft category purchases.
What is the case? That the Japanese have not bought any from Airbus?
Okay. Does that mean that Airbus should even try? That they should not continue to inform the Japanese of their product line and build relationships for a possible future?
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