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IB A346 Configuration...  
User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1891 posts, RR: 27
Posted (8 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

Hey guys,

Since IB just started servicing CCS with their new A346s, one of my friends who is recently going to fly this jet, asked me how's their configuration inside.

Recently, another friend of mine, flew this aircraft but made me doubt. I asked him (he's an airplane ignorant, hence my questions):

Me- "hey!, did you fly the new Iberia Airbus?"
Him- "Oh, I don't know, I flew an airplane with 4 engines"
Me- "Yes I know you did. I just wanted to know if it's the big-four-engine jet that it's very very long and new"
Him- "Humm, Yes it was pretty new and long, but I dont know if it was an Airbus"
Me- "Whatever, tell me how was it inside"
Him- "Well it was pretty full. Seats were kind of tight and not much legspace.
Me- "Did you have PTVs? Could you see through the camera located at the tail of the aircraft?"
Him- "No, there were no PTVs... flight was boring...sevice was kinda bad..."

So, this was the interesting part of the conversation.

Are these aircraft equipped with entertainment systems or they're just like their old 747s?

I know for sure that SA's A346s have these options, therefore I thought IB had them as well.

I might fly this a/c soon so I wanted to know how were they.

Thanks guys! Regards!


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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

Just like LH's A340-600s, IB's planes do not have PTVs in Economy... which really is a pity: the view you get from the tail camera on SA's A340-600s is superb!!!

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1891 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

Quoting Leskova (Reply 1):
Just like LH's A340-600s, IB's planes do not have PTVs in Economy... which really is a pity: the view you get from the tail camera on SA's A340-600s is superb!!!

I can Imagine!

Then, another negative point for IB from my personal point of view... How could they not put that tail-camera option! that's a federal crime!!!  Smile

regards



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User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 2744 times:

Quoting 797 (Reply 2):
How could they not put that tail-camera option! that's a federal crime!!!

Then you will be prosecuted for false accusation.  Wink

IB offers the tail camera on ALL their A340-600s.

About the PTVs...you must be new here as it has been discussed HUNDREDS of times. It makes me remind the weekly thread we had some time ago..."What are IB's A319s doing in Miami?"...IB had a hub there for 12 years, and every week we saw a new thread asking the same question.

This thing about IB having PTVs or not is the same. It has been discussed to death, LOTS of times, there are LOTS of pictures showing the interior of the A340-300s and 600s...but once every week we see the same question once and again..."Does Iberia have PTVs?"...the answer is plain and simple...NO.



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User currently offlineRmcf From Spain, joined Oct 2005, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 3):
About the PTVs...you must be new here as it has been discussed HUNDREDS of times

Do you think that IB will ever put PTV's in economy, as there are now refurbishing the A340-300s? Or it is a very expensive thing for IB and the new Plan Director?!!!
bye! rmcf


User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

Quoting Rmcf (Reply 4):
Do you think that IB will ever put PTV's in economy, as there are now refurbishing the A340-300s?

No. If they were to install them then they would have started with the A340-600s....and they didn't. About 5 A340-300s have been already retrofitted with the new seats...and NO PTVs.

Like I said, on my previous post. IB doesn't have and will not have PTVs in economy class.



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User currently offlineIberiadc852 From Spain, joined May 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 8 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 3):
IB offers the tail camera on ALL their A340-600s.

But not ALL the time.

I've flown the A346 twice and the second time they switched it off at take off and landing. And that, together with the absolutely boring documentaries they play in the flights to the Canary Islands, (and dumb, because they don't even offer you headphones in those flights), in my opinion is a commercial crime, if not federal  Wink



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User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 8 hours ago) and read 2613 times:

Quoting Iberiadc852 (Reply 6):
But not ALL the time.

I never said "ALL the time". I was pointing out what this guy from Venezuela said...that "IB's A340-600s don't have the tail camera option".

Anyway...is there an airline that will offer the tail camera image ALL the time?

I don't think so. Those screens are also used for other things during the flight.



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User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 8 hours ago) and read 2608 times:

Quoting Iberiadc852 (Reply 6):
And that, together with the absolutely boring documentaries they play in the flights to the Canary Islands, (and dumb, because they don't even offer you headphones in those flights), in my opinion is a commercial crime, if not federal

So?...I guess they shouldn't offer anything on the screens then. That way they would match BA at least and wouldn't be critiziced.

IB offers those programs without audio on all European flights while BA doesn't offer anything. And I am NOT criticizing BA, which in fact offers a better cabin service than Iberia most of the time.

[Edited 2005-10-26 22:42:16]


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User currently offlineIberiadc852 From Spain, joined May 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 6 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 8):
So?...I guess they shouldn't offer anything on the screens then. That way they would match BA at least and wouldn't be critiziced.

Sorry but I think the comparison with BA justifies nothing. And I think dumb documentaries (IB) and nothing (BA), are not the only two cheap options an airline can have to offer their passengers in those flights. But anyway, I would find any of those politics more pardonable if at least they didn't switch off
the camera (or the map) like they usually do at take off and landing, because that would mean a little more attention to the passenger which costs NOTHING.



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8861 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 hours ago) and read 2478 times:

Quoting Iberiadc852 (Reply 6):
I've flown the A346 twice and the second time they switched it off at take off and landing.

Just a side note, its illegial at some airports to have the cameras on for takeoff and landing, it a condition of operating to that airport. This may or may not have been the case for your flight.

I have read that IB is changing the layout of the A346 to 3 class away from the present 2 class.



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User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1110 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months ago) and read 2445 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 10):
I have read that IB is changing the layout of the A346 to 3 class away from the present 2 class

Actually, it's the other way around. IB introduced its new lie-flat seats in Business Plus, eliminating the old first and business classes. The entire 340-600 and 340-300 fleet will soon have this service. In addition, IB is installing new seat covers in economy during the makeover. IB operates 18 340-300 examples and 10 340-600's, with 3 additional 340-600's to be added soon, creating a total 340 fleet of 31 aircraft. Frankly, that does not sound like a lot aircraft to operate all of IB's destinations in the Americas, but they appear to be doing the job.

Also, IB operates 4 wet-leased 747-412's from Air Atlanta Icelandic, which it flies to the Canaries and Carribean destinations.


User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2406 times:

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 11):
Also, IB operates 4 wet-leased 747-412's from Air Atlanta Icelandic, which it flies to the Canaries and Carribean destinations.

Actually there are 2 747-400 for flights to the Canaries and Cuba, and 2 747-300s for flights to Miami (all of them operated by Air Atlanta Icelandic).

Those 747-300s will be replaced by the A340-600 from Nov. 1st.

Quoting Zeke (Reply 10):
Just a side note, its illegial at some airports to have the cameras on for takeoff and landing, it a condition of operating to that airport. This may or may not have been the case for your flight.

True.

Quoting Iberiadc852 (Reply 9):

Calm down "big guy".



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User currently offlineIcaro From Spain, joined Nov 2004, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

Turning the camera off for take-offs and landing was something we couldn't do anything about. It was programmed that way and it would stop even if we didn't want. It was something that happened to the 3 first A-346's, the ones that were for Swissair. This problem was solved when they got the new config and new entertaining system. Now you can watch the entire take off and landing without any problems.

The film showed on domestic and european flights are a mix of Hidden cam, Pink Panther and some documentaries which are mostly images that can be followed without headphones, that's the purpose. Something else is that you think they are boring.You can always read a book, look through the window or watch the IB crew behave as horribly as always and post it later here on A.net, which seems to work for many.

Anyway, you won't need to worry about that anymore: new short-haul planes are said to be coming without entertaining system which will add to save some bucks to the company in weight and maintenance. And new A-320's will be configured in a 174 seats layout with new thinner seats.


User currently offlineARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2314 times:

Quoting 797 (Thread starter):
Recently, another friend of mine, flew this aircraft but made me doubt. I asked him (he's an airplane ignorant, hence my questions):

I like this bit "Airplane ignorant".  Smile


User currently offlineIberiadc852 From Spain, joined May 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 10):
This may or may not have been the case for your flight.

Possible, if it is illegal in TFN and MAD, but in the first flight it didn't happen and were the same airports the opposite leg.

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 12):
Calm down "big guy".

When it really upsets me is when I fly. But anyway, can you tell me what's your "secret"?

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 3):
About the PTVs...you must be new here as it has been discussed HUNDREDS of times. It makes me remind the weekly thread we had some time ago..."What are IB's A319s doing in Miami?"...IB had a hub there for 12 years, and every week we saw a new thread asking the same question.

This thing about IB having PTVs or not is the same. It has been discussed to death, LOTS of times, there are LOTS of pictures showing the interior of the A340-300s and 600s...but once every week we see the same question once and again..."Does Iberia have PTVs?"...the answer is plain and simple...NO



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User currently offlineIcaro From Spain, joined Nov 2004, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

Quoting Iberiadc852 (Reply 15):
Possible, if it is illegal in TFN and MAD, but in the first flight it didn't happen and were the same airports the opposite leg

Read my post 13 and you'll know why it happened. Nothing to do with legality.


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8861 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 11):
Actually, it's the other way around. IB introduced its new lie-flat seats in Business Plus, eliminating the old first and business classes. The entire 340-600 and 340-300 fleet will soon have this service.

Yep I had it the wrong way about, this is what I previously read from http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...m0QXQ/is_2004_April_7/ai_n11854455

Quote:
Iberia will adopt a two-class service product on A340 long-haul services, eliminating first class in favor of an enhanced business- class cabin with lie-flat seatbeds, audio-video on demand, satellite phones and text messaging. It will invest eur100 million ($125 million) to equip 31 A340s with the new product, which will be rolled out on the airline's first three A340-600s in Oct. and installed across the fleet by the end of 2005.



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2184 times:
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Quoting Icaro (Reply 13):
And new A-320's will be configured in a 174 seats layout with new thinner seats.

Offering passengers a comfy 29-30 inch pitch accommodation, just like charter and low-fare carriers, lovely...  Smile



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User currently offlineIberiadc852 From Spain, joined May 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

Quoting Icaro (Reply 16):
Read my post 13 and you'll know why it happened. Nothing to do with legality

Ok then.

Quoting Icaro (Reply 13):
watch the IB crew behave as horribly as always and post it later here on A.net, which seems to work for many.

Now that you talk about that, I can say that I have flown Iberia a lot of times, and don't have that impression; but possibly you should know it better than me. Anyway if you think I am one of those, you are mistaken. For me it's a false legend, and I find it sad that it can arise some susceptibilities. I really hope those things change.



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User currently offlineIcaro From Spain, joined Nov 2004, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

Don't worry, i never said you were one of those, I was only being ironic.  Wink

User currently offline797 From Venezuela, joined Aug 2005, 1891 posts, RR: 27
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2116 times:

Cool! I received an Iberian BOOM!

Thanks anyways for the info! So... anyways, I'd like to say, what a waste not to put PTVs on those a/c... that's not a good image for IB...

Saludos amigos!



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User currently offlineIberiadc852 From Spain, joined May 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

Quoting Icaro (Reply 20):

Ah....so it's neither true that story about the show of the horrible behaviour...what's left then? I guess my next flights in Iberia are going to seem eternal!  Wink



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User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 762 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2026 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 18):
Offering passengers a comfy 29-30 inch pitch accommodation, just like charter and low-fare carriers, lovely...

I don't know where you have red that specific figure.... Iberia has published they will change the seats for THINNER ones, nothing about modifying the seat pitch (though they may come up with that)

They are also taking advantage of the unneeded spaces after free-catering removal (they don't cater the plane with so much food and drinks)

Maybe 32" for Long-haul and 31" for Europe is not enough for some people but here's the seat pitch for BA's Euro Traveller Class

Cabin environment
Sit back and relax with comfortable leather seats* and a 31 inch (77.5cm) seat pitch**. Enjoy our selection of complimentary newspapers available to most destinations when boarding the aircraft.

*Leather seats not available on all aircraft. **Seat pitch on RJ100 and some rows of seats on Boeing 737 aircraft types and on British Airways Citiexpress Limited operated flights have a seat pitch less than 31 inches.

So i guess people up there in Britain enjoy flying "just like charter and low-fare carriers"


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

At least on a 2+ hour flight to Spain BA will give you a soft drink or a cuppa which is more than your IB does. You can book a scheduled full fare flight from LHR-AGP and get nothing. Just a seat.

25 Post contains images CRJ900 : I know for a fact that 180 seats in the A320 means 29" pitch (source: GECAS.com) which means that 174 doesn't allow for much more space. Thinner seats
26 MIASkies : So come November MIA will see a daily 346 or 346/343 combo? I would think a 346 would be better for this route... but they could see the 343 as a bet
27 Aisak : Press has published some hints about IB new business plan. One of them is more seats in economy which will raise the number of seats about 5%.. Accord
28 Icaro : From the time I started to fly the A-320 in Ib, five years ago, the number of seats have been gradually increased. From 147 to 150 by removing a big a
29 Orion737 : Your passengers will notice the difference and perhaps question why it is they are travelling with a full service flag caarier and are sitting in a ch
30 Aisak : or not having available orange juice at all Check out BA.com and you'll see A limited catering service has returned on flights between London Heathro
31 Luisca : Let me paraphares IB's new business plan Iberia Dominates the Latin America - Madrid Market, and they couldn't care less about there passengers, they
32 IBERIA747 : Well...let's hope you live 100 years then. You trying to tell us that you are an experienced Latin America - Europe traveller?. Hehe that's funny!! I
33 Luisca : I've flown IB PTY-MIA-MAD in 199? or 2000 it was on a DC-9 and 742, HORRIBLE FLIGHT. Old Dirty planes, FA's Vanished after meal service never to be s
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