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Direct Flights Between Mexico And China Soon?  
User currently offlineMike1974 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3853 times:

I was just reading a few articles about China's president visit to Mexico last month and noticed that one of the important issues discussed was to begin direct flights between both countries. Both parties have stated they have signed a tourism agreement but now the question is will any airline from such country want to take the risk and begin service between such countries. Some articles stated that flights have already begun (which we know no such thing yet). Another article said that Mexico will start service to China soon which could mean that the so far rumored A340s that Mexicana hopes to acquire may actually come true. Not sure if i see a chinese carrier sending its own metal to Mexico but direct flights between both countries may be here sooner than later. It would be nice if this really comes to exist and actually does happen. Any thoughts on this?

[Edited 2005-10-27 00:05:56]

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User currently offlineNAVEGA From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3785 times:

Mike1974

Mexicana has stated that they will fly to China for the next
Olympics.

I think this is a great idea as the future of aviation and the
growth is in the east.

I really wish them well.

Very progressive and well thought out I would say and would not be surprized if another Mexicana carriers follows
suite.


User currently offlineMike1974 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3765 times:

Nice! Cannot wait to see a MX big bus operating flights not only to China but other cities in the Far East. If China was to send its own metal into MEX i wouldnt be surprised to see Air China or China Southern get started. Other airlines i can see are Cathay Pacific, Korean Air and possibly China Airlines.


Very few Asian airlines fly to Latin America. JAL to MEX and GRU, and I think Malaysia to EZE and thats about it. I really believe the market is there for Asia-Latin America flights.


User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1140 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3729 times:

I can tell you two things for sure:

(1) Presently, no MX crew people are being trained in new aircraft, and

(2) Presently, no MX crew are officially proficient nor taking courses of Chinese.

It is worth noting that, as mandated by Mexican Constitution, all crew members aboard an air ship must be Mexican nationals by birth. Bottomline, it will be hard to find Chinese-speaking f/a's. If MX want's to tackle that market, they better be able to communicate with their pax.

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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

I hope it happens. All we can do its keep our fingers crossed...

User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3694 times:

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 3):
Mexican Constitution, all crew members aboard an air ship must be Mexican nationals by birth.

With no exceptions??? It is a mistake. Air Europa, for instance, is hiring chinese female F/A for their flighs to China.

If MX wants serving China they will need Chinese staff ...for sure!!!


User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2738 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3655 times:

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 3):
It is worth noting that, as mandated by Mexican Constitution, all crew members aboard an air ship must be Mexican nationals by birth. Bottomline, it will be hard to find Chinese-speaking f/a's. If MX want's to tackle that market, they better be able to communicate with their pax.

If it was the case, is it really necessary that the Pilots know mandarin/cantonese? I don't think that's the case since the standard language for communication in aviation is English.

On the other hand, the F/A are different story, but it is not impossible for MX to find qualified Chinese staff. Either, 1.) hire Chinese nationals who speak Spanish, (they are probably cheaper than even Mexican F/As) or 2.) recruit in Tijuana or Mexicali. The later has Mexico's largest Chinese community (I believe) which numbers around 15,000. However, I don't really know if they still speak their language--it may not be the case--since they are several generations, Mexican nationals. So, maybe the first option is the best. Nonetheless, it would really be interesting to hire Mexican staff of Chinese descent.

I wish Mexico would have been more open to Asian migration like Peru and Japan. The western part of the country, particularly in the north would be a different place. (esa gente no se anda con pendejadas).


 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineAm001 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 221 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3546 times:
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Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 3):
all crew members aboard an air ship must be Mexican nationals by birth.

Hey, I remember an AF French crewmember flying (and working) in all AM's code-shared flights (in her AF uniform), and viceversa, AM crew in AF's planes... there could be an exception to this rule...

AM001



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User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2738 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3509 times:

Adriaticus:

I notice that I didn't really read your points correctly--it was really late at night. You weren't talking about the pilots, but the cabin crew. But what I am also trying to say is that suppose they didn't find qualified Mexican nationals "by birth" who spoke mandarin/cantonese, the only option would be to hire foreign based crew, notwithstanding the Mexican laws (which are a bunch of fony-bolony if you ask me) but, nonetheless, would Mexicana be able to apply for FM3 status for such said employees?

A third option would be to hire translators, which I have seen Mexican airlines do. When AM starting flying to Brazil, it must of had very few Portuguese fluent F/A's and there was a translator on-board who was dressed just like the rest of the F/A's, less the scarfs and didn't do much but make the emergency and take-off/landing annoucements in Portuguese.


 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3495 times:

Personally, I don't see Mexicana flying to China.
I can see China Southern or Air china extending the LAX flight to MEX.


User currently offlineBGOODAM From Mexico, joined Apr 2005, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

If anything I see AM flying to China since they have already oredered a plane that can get there.

User currently offlineMike1974 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3430 times:

I dont think we will see any Asian/Chinese airline being able to extend their flight from LAX into MEX (Mexican gov't will not allow it). Lets not forget MH(Malaysian?) did that a few years back.

Indeed AM will have a couple of T7 in a few months but i think AM is more focused on Europe right now. I can see them starting flights into MXP/FCO or even FRA.


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5236 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3407 times:

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 8):
You weren't talking about the pilots, but the cabin
crew.

Well, by law, and our 1917 Constitution this applies to all cabin members of the aircraft. So it won't be possible. It will sure be possible to switch some cabin members maybe, or hire translators....

Quoting BGOODAM (Reply 10):
If anything I see AM flying to China since they have already oredered a plane that can get there.

With a super limited order which could be extended to 3 for delivery in October of 3Q06 in the best scenario but an old widebody fleet which has to be replaced soon this put AM's in the exact same position as MX and add to that the fact that both carriers are to be privatized...

Quoting Mike1974 (Reply 11):
I dont think we will see any Asian/Chinese airline being able to extend their flight from LAX into MEX (Mexican gov't will not allow it). Lets not forget MH(Malaysian?) did that a few years back.

I'm with you Mike1974...! Mexico's government won't let a Chinese carrier land so easy at MEX. I think currently B777-300ER have to range to fly non-stop China-MEX but problem will be the other way round and Mexican government won't let go so easy giving them rights to fly MEX via LAX/TIJ/MXL/SJD-China.
If we ever see a route, it will be flown by a Mexican carrier.

ghost77 APM



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User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2738 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3338 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 12):
Well, by law, and our 1917 Constitution this applies to all cabin members of the aircraft. So it won't be possible. It will sure be possible to switch some cabin members maybe, or hire translators....

Okay, Ghost, I think I understand what you're saying, but in 1917 there was no such thing as a Flight Attendant.  Big grin



 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5236 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3244 times:

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 13):

Hmm well, it should read, by law, and our 1917 Constitution it applies to all cabin members of an aircraft or ship carrying a Mexican flag. And sure by then, there was no such thing  bigthumbsup 

ghost77 APM



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User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3190 times:

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 3):
(1) Presently, no MX crew people are being trained in new aircraft, and

Really.....? ..........  Wink

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 14):
Hmm well, it should read, by law, and our 1917 Constitution it applies to all cabin members of an aircraft or ship carrying a Mexican flag.

Indeed, that´s why MX will be considering hiring a translator for the flights.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 12):
I'm with you Mike1974...! Mexico's government won't let a Chinese carrier land so easy at MEX. I think currently B777-300ER have to range to fly non-stop China-MEX but problem will be the other way round and Mexican government won't let go so easy giving them rights to fly MEX via LAX/TIJ/MXL/SJD-China.
If we ever see a route, it will be flown by a Mexican carrier.

That´s correct, and not AM as somebody said, also the route is considered departing MEX with the stop over at TIJ or MXL for refuelling, and also some cargo.

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