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Emirates: 777 To JFK  
User currently offlineDaron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6254 times:

I noticed that for next August, Emirates will change one of its highly advertised flights from an A345 to a 777. I know this is a long way off, but why are they doing this? Will the A345 be used on other routes or will even newer equipment with the A345's product standarts be used and the 777 just as a substitute? Thanks for the replies.

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User currently offlineRj111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5967 times:

Perhaps they're upgrading to a 773ER. Ie more pax.

User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5961 times:

Their 773ER can JUST do it non-stop i think. I would be surprised if the 773 or the 772ER can do it non-stop. I think their A346HGWs can do it non-stop too.

Am surprised as their A345 is their premium-quality plane for the higher yield routes.



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5941 times:

773ER can do JFK-DXB no problems. This will free up an A345 or two for expansion on ultra-long flights to say other US destinations.

Hopefully, the 773ER for these flights will not be 3-4-3 in econ because so far all the 773/77W that have been delivered to date have been 3-4-3 in econ.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5915 times:

The 772ER or 773ER should not have a problem with the JFK-DXB route.....didnt MAS fly EWR-DXB-KUL with 772ERs?

It will be interesting to see if EK adds luxury touches to the 777s that would fly the JFK route.....a lot of effort has gone into EK marketing the JFK- DXB service as a very up-market product with lots of features.


User currently offlineA360 From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5827 times:

Gosh, DXB-JFK is "just" 11000km!!
It's not that long!... People think that just because EK uses 345's on the route, it's very long.

EK could do the route with 772ER, 773ER or even 343's.... besides the 345's.

The problem here is the cabin configuration of the 77W's... If it's 3-4-3 in eco, it's not that great...


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5766 times:

In two weeks EK will double DUB-JFK-DUB frequency with A340-500's.

User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2396 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5764 times:
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Keep in mind Malaysia used to fly KUL-DXB-EWR without any problem with a 772ER.

They now switched the route via ARN.

FB.



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User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5652 times:

Perhaps the A345 which they are taking of will be used for a new Ultra haul destination, maybe somewhere in Canada?


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5613 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 2):
Their 773ER can JUST do it non-stop i think. I would be surprised if the 773 or the 772ER can do it non-stop. I think their A346HGWs can do it non-stop too.

both the 772ER and 773ER could do the route without a problem...

Quoting Keesje (Reply 6):
In two weeks EK will double DUB-JFK-DUB frequency with A340-500's.

you mean....DXB-JFK-DXB... Wink



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User currently offlineA360 From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5622 times:

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 8):
Perhaps the A345 which they are taking of will be used for a new Ultra haul destination, maybe somewhere in Canada?

YYZ is not significantly farther away from DXB than JFK.

Although they may want to deploy the 345's to west coast US or south america.  Wink


User currently offlineYazeed From Jordan, joined Oct 2005, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5369 times:

Emirates has received its last A340-500 last week. Now they have 10 of these. I have read in an Arabic newspaper in Dubai, that this 10th A340 will allow Emirates to double the flights to JFk i.e. twice daily beginning 15 Nov. 05 (Approx.). 777ER's will do the journey with no problems.

User currently offlineIowa744Fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5265 times:

Does anyone know what are the top markets for EK out of JFK? Where do most of the pax go? Does anyone haev a rough idea of how many pax only go to DXB and how many go to other cities (and which ones)? I would assume that India would be a large connecting market for EK from JFK. Is there much to/from Australia on this route?

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5247 times:

Quoting Iowa744Fan (Reply 12):
Does anyone know what are the top markets for EK out of JFK? Where do most of the pax go? Does anyone haev a rough idea of how many pax only go to DXB and how many go to other cities (and which ones)? I would assume that India would be a large connecting market for EK from JFK. Is there much to/from Australia on this route?

I've flown on that route, and judging from what I saw on the flight, Africa might be a top destination.... I didn't see too many Pakistanis and Indians.. no 

just my observation



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9666 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5227 times:

Quoting A360 (Reply 5):
Gosh, DXB-JFK is "just" 11000km!!
It's not that long!... People think that just because EK uses 345's on the route, it's very long.



Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 7):
Keep in mind Malaysia used to fly KUL-DXB-EWR without any problem with a 772ER.

I believe there may have been weight restrictions on the DXB-EWR sector for the 772ER. While the route itself isn't that long, taking off with a full payload from the heat in Dubai can be an issue. Both DXB-SYD/MEL and DXB-JFK are within the 772ERs range, but when you try to launch a plane off of a runway in 110F temperatures, performance falls and you have to limit payload. But that is the price you have to pay for getting aviation fuel for so cheap.



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User currently offlineA360 From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

^How dramatically do performances fall just with hot temperatures alone? Considering DXB is at sea level.

Under "normal" conditions (not very hot or very high)The 772ER is capable of performing routes much longer than 11000km.

CO's 772ER's do EWR-HKG nonstop both ways, and that's around 13000 km.


User currently offlineLH459 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5159 times:

I just checked several random dates in August06, and both flights show as 345 in EK's direct acess in Sabre.


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User currently offlineSupa7e7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5119 times:

Quoting LH459 (Reply 16):
I just checked several random dates in August06, and both flights show as 345 in EK's direct acess in Sabre.

Nope

EK 204: JFKDXB 0940-0630 772
EK 202: JFKDXB 2330-2020 345

So they will be mixing it starting 1 Jul 2006


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2396 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5020 times:
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What about the product itself ?

Will the customers appreciate the big difference in cabin interior comfort between those two birds (345 & 777) ?

If it's the 77W, no problem (though there are differences), but the 772ER seems a bit more "tired" !

FB.



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User currently offlineDaron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5009 times:

Will the customers appreciate the big difference in cabin interior comfort between those two birds (345 & 777) ?[/quote]
Even so, passengers will be very disapointed if it is the new 773 ER because compared to the A345, for example, in First Class, the seats don't compare at all, and I think this is a huge mistake that Emirates made.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16885 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4934 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 2):
I would be surprised if the 773 or the 772ER can do it non-stop.

MH was flying EWR-Dubai nonstop with a 777-200ER before they switched to the 747-400 and routed the flight through Stockholm.



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User currently offlineA360 From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4862 times:

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 18):
Will the customers appreciate the big difference in cabin interior comfort between those two birds (345 & 777) ?

First of all, acording to reply 18, it will be the 772ER.
But it will probably be one already retrofitted to 77W interior cabin standards.

Even so, the first class is just a regular first class (not top notch) instead of the best first class in the world(in terms of cabin/seat at least) offered in the 345's. So yes... the first class passengers will notice it and will regreat it.

As for the J class passengers, they will notice it too, as the 777's J class is old styled, as oposed toe the 345's, where it has shell type seats (although not lie flat). So, J class passengers will be disapointed too.

As for Y, I think pitch on the 777's is greater, but it's a 10 abreast, which make the seats narrower on the 777's.


User currently offlineHotelbravo From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4724 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 6):
The problem here is the cabin configuration of the 77W's... If it's 3-4-3 in eco, it's not that great...

3-4-3 does mean very narrow seats, but even 2-5-2 is bad if you ask me. Who wants to sit in the middle seat in a row of 5 seats for 11Mm?  yuck 

That's why a confort-oriented airline that can get cheap kerosene like EK should go for A340s rather than 777s on its premium sectors...


User currently offlineLH459 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4710 times:

Quoting Supa7e7 (Reply 17):
Nope

EK 204: JFKDXB 0940-0630 772
EK 202: JFKDXB 2330-2020 345

01JUL SAT JFK/EDT DXB/‡8
EK RESPONSE ** DIRECT CONNECT PARTICIPANT **
7EK 204 F4 A2 J7 C5 Y9 W9 M0 B0 K0 JFKDXB 0910 0650‡1 345 0
H0 Q0 L0 T0 V0
8EK 202 F4 A2 J7 C5 Y9 W9 M0 B0 K0 JFKDXB 2330 2020‡1 345 0

I see the 772 if I check Sabre availability, vs. EK direct connect. As you can see, direct connect shows 345 on both flights.



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User currently offlineDaron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days ago) and read 4653 times:

Well Orbitz shows a 777 as well, which is actually where I first saw the issue, when I was searching to see if Emirates still flew the A345 between Australia and New Zealand.

25 A360 : Most 777's(not in EK though) are configured in 3-3-3 configuration.
26 Malaysia : It was still re-routed to ARN with the 777 originally before upgrading to a 744 then back to a 777. the 744 only was switched when it was already on
27 Planemanofnz : Hopefully EK will do an interior upgrade on the old 772's and 773's soon!
28 WhiteHatter : please at least read some of these threads before repeating that ignorant comment. EK does not get cheap fuel. Fuel costs are the same at DXB for all
29 Zaphod : The times that I check the flight on our DCS I see more than half the aircraft on certain days are filled with passengers connecting to/from HYD and
30 A360 : EK will use 345's on both flights. What we are discussing is if that will change to 1 345 and 1 777 in the summer of 2006. But for now it's still unc
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