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Southwest Adding 50 New Flights!  
User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11272 times:

The 50 flights break down as follows:

Beginning Nov. 12, 2005

New Orleans Service:

• Two new MSY-DAL nonstops

• Two new MSY-BNA nonstops

• Two new MSY-MCO nonstops

• Two new MSY-TPA nonstops

• One additional MSY-HOU nonstop (previously an-nounced)

Other New Service:

• One new LAS-OKC nonstop

• One new LAS-PVD nonstop

• One additional LAS-GEG nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional LAS-STL nonstop (for a total of two)

Beginning Feb. 5, 2006

• One additional ABQ-HOU nonstop (for a total of three)

• One additional ABQ-OAK nonstop (for a total of three)

• One additional AUS-BNA nonstop (for a total of three)

• One additional AUS-SAN nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional BHM-MCO nonstop (for a total of two)

• Two additional BUR-OAK nonstops (for a total of 16)

• One additional MDW-PHL nonstop (for a total of eight)

• One additional MDW-SMF nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional FLL-HOU nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional HOU-PHL nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional HOU-TPA nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional IND-MCI nonstop (for a total of two)

• Two additional ISP-MDW nonstops (for a total of seven)

• One additional JAX-PHL nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional JAX-TPA nonstop (for a total of three)

• One additional MCI-SAN nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional MCI-STL nonstop (for a total of six)

• One additional MCI-TPA nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional LAS-PHL nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional LAS-TUS nonstop (for a total of six)

• One additional BNA-FLL nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional BNA-JAX nonstop (for a total of four)

• One additional BNA-LAS nonstop (for a total of four)

• One additional BNA-MCO nonstop (for a total of five)

• One additional BNA-SAT nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional BNA-TPA nonstop (for a total of five)

• Two additional OAK-SAN nonstop (for a total of 20)

• One additional OAK-SNA nonstop (for a total of nine)

• One additional MCO-SAT nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional PHL-PHX nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional PHL-PIT nonstop (for a total of seven)

• One new SAN-SAT nonstop

• One additional STL-TPA nonstop (for a total of two)

• One additional TPA-FLL nonstop (for a total of nine)

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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11197 times:

No DEN in this yet?



User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11174 times:

darn, no luck on more burbank service, was wondering how the sat flights to midway were doing and if well enough, if they would add daily service. anybody been on the bur-mdw flight here or know how well it has performed

User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4312 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11154 times:
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YES!! Finally another LAS-STL/PHL frequency!! There will be a happy PVD fan when he hears about the new LAS-PVD service!  Smile

User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5266 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11147 times:

Quoting N200WN (Thread starter):
• One additional AUS-BNA nonstop (for a total of three)



Quoting N200WN (Thread starter):
• Two additional BUR-OAK nonstops (for a total of 16)



Quoting N200WN (Thread starter):
• One additional LAS-TUS nonstop (for a total of six)



Quoting N200WN (Thread starter):
• One additional BNA-JAX nonstop (for a total of four)



Quoting N200WN (Thread starter):
• One additional BNA-MCO nonstop (for a total of five)



Quoting N200WN (Thread starter):
• Two additional OAK-SAN nonstop (for a total of 20)

I am really out of the loop - I'm very surprised at the frequencies that will exist in these markets. I know WN is big in OAK, BNA, LAS, etc, but I guess I didn't realize how big BNA had become, let alone OAK.

Pretty impressive. One cool thing about WN is that, if it were one of the majors, each new route would have started from one of two or three hub airports in their system. Not knocking their system, but WN offers routes that most other airlines won't touch (or offer).

-Dave



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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4312 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11142 times:
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Quoting N200WN (Thread starter):
• One new LAS-OKC nonstop

Eeek, I hope Allegiant can survive, although I doubt it.

Edit: I don't see any of these flights on southwest.com, any idea when they will be loaded?

[Edited 2005-10-27 09:03:39]

User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11070 times:

Strange there is no additional PIT service (other than the PHL flight). How is WN doing there? I thought they'd be ramping up more by now.

User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10961 times:

Southwest is going after Midwest Airlines with the additional MCI-SAN. WN's owned the market for years with only one nonstop flight. Always fun to see them behave like a legacy.  Wink

Nevertheless, good to see them restart SAN-SAT and bump up AUS-SAN. WN must be getting close to 100 flights at SAN (their stated goal).

Aaron G.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7482 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10843 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 4):
I guess I didn't realize how big BNA had become

No PHL-BNA non-stop service yet?  Sad I guess I'll have to wait until next year.



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User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10836 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 1):
No DEN in this yet?

All the DEN cities are announced already in another thread. Red it to find out. Hint: 13 Daily flights, the rest just read it!!!

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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3406 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10815 times:

The PVD-LAS is not on the website, can you tell me when it is scheduled? It is not online yet.

User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10703 times:

wow..Not even one new flight to SEA.........................

User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10645 times:

Quoting N200WN (Thread starter):
• One new LAS-OKC nonstop

I was always surprised that route didn't already exist (instead being run by Champion charters in a 727!!) Maybe this was a move aimed at heading off the new US since they already run to PHX in "big" CRJ's.

Quoting Vega (Reply 6):
Strange there is no additional PIT service (other than the PHL flight). How is WN doing there? I thought they'd be ramping up more by now.

They just ramped up by over half at PIT about a month ago or so. Post Katrina. 6 new flights I believed... most of which were originally scheduled to not be starting until about now, were started as soon as the MSY disaster's effects became clear. Places like TPA, PHX, and more frequencies on the other routes.

With all the PIT-PHL shuttles running now, you'd think the PA Turnpike Commission would be feeling the pinch, lol.


User currently offlineModernArt From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10624 times:

Quoting N200WN (Thread starter):
• One new SAN-SAT nonstop
• One additional BNA-SAT nonstop (for a total of two)
• One additional MCO-SAT nonstop (for a total of two)

Wow, this should push SAT up to or past 50 dailies.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6729 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10617 times:

Dangit.. nothing new at RDU..


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5062 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10601 times:

Quoting Leneld (Reply 11):
wow..Not even one new flight to SEA.........................

I thought they told yall in Seattle no flights until prices come down or BFI opens old 



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User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10558 times:

Quoting ModernArt (Reply 13):
Wow, this should push SAT up to or past 50 dailies.

49 to be exact...and with only five gates.


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3406 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10502 times:

remember, WN doesn't usually announce any cutbacks, so this is only part of the story...

User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10451 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 17):
remember, WN doesn't usually announce any cutbacks, so this is only part of the story...

Why would they have to cut back much if they're receiving new jets... and supposedly their utilization avg. had been down a bit anyways since the MSY traffic collapse?


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3406 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10421 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 18):
Why would they have to cut back much if they're receiving new jets... and supposedly their utilization avg. had been down a bit anyways since the MSY traffic collapse?

I don't know, we'll have to wait and see when they post the new 2/5/06 schedule...


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5830 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10383 times:
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OAK is getting six additional flights for WN? Where are they going to find the room? Obviously the extension to T2 won't be complete by then.

User currently offlineWnsocal From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10284 times:

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 17):
remember, WN doesn't usually announce any cutbacks, so this is only part of the story...

If you listened to the 3Q report then you would have heard Kelly say there are about 5 of the MSY aircraft not accounted for in the schedule. He said WN used about 15 airplanes for the pre hurricane schedule. Also, WN already had BA delieveries scheduled. So it look like all this adds up to 50 flight plus DEN.

WW



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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3406 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10268 times:

Quoting Wnsocal (Reply 21):
If you listened to the 3Q report then you would have heard Kelly say there are about 5 of the MSY aircraft not accounted for in the schedule. He said WN used about 15 airplanes for the pre hurricane schedule. Also, WN already had BA delieveries scheduled. So it look like all this adds up to 50 flight plus DEN.

I'm sure with all those MSY additions on 2/5/06, all of the "displaced" aircraft will be accounted for.


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10204 times:

Gotta have all these new flights for those new 737's coming on!

I hope we will see them serve DAY someday, but I doubt it.



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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10195 times:

Nice to see WN setting themselves up to retake the number one slot here at MSY. The loads have been superb out of here, and any and all increase in service can only bode well for the area, the airline, and the airport.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
25 MSYtristar : I really like this quote from the press release.... ""We are especially pleased to see demand increasing in New Orleans," said Rogge. "Our load factor
26 PVD757 : note on the press release from WN where they list the additional flights beginning February 5, 2006: "(due to schedule adjustments)" ...this is not a
27 Post contains images NorCal : No OAK-IND yet (filler...filler...filler)
28 Ouboy79 : I love this...first two thoughts. On OKC-LAS... I think Allegiant will do fine, but the market is filling up. Champion is running 4 weekly 727 flights
29 Thelowfarehero : I was hoping for more BUR longhaul service (additional MDW, HOU, ISP, MHT), anyone know the total of WN flights from BUR now, and what it ranks within
30 N471WN : Just look at what WN announced today---49 new flights while the legacy carriers are cutting back......For 34 years folks have been saying: "this canno
31 Boeing7E7 : Midwest has a better product and they start next week. 20 flights? Let's not clog up the California Corridor.
32 SWACLE : Started with 10 dailies in May, this 7th Philly run makes 20 dailies in 7 months...thats a pretty damn good expansion rate =) "Due to schedule adjust
33 N200WN : There will be minimal reductions. The increase in service is coming primarily from new a/c (and no retirements), the reduction of MSY service, and mo
34 ATCT : Yea we got alot more PIT service, though with this change. We got the additional Philly runs. Plus; New: 1x TPA 1x PHX -ATCT
35 RL757PVD : Several cuts notices so far...im sure there are alot more PVD gains LAS, looses MCI and 1x BNA MHT looses both BNA flights ( no more non stop) BDL is
36 Tornado82 : Funny. I don't see Continental "running like hell." Sure they're doing International, because they're making a boatload of money on it. Quit drinking
37 Tornado82 : One tiny battle that looks to be won (or at least forced to a draw) by US defending their turf. Cheaper seats yes, definitely, but are you trying to
38 N200WN : Of course not, I was only refering to the domestic market in general. Midwest is a great airline, and consistantly meets the safe and reliable criter
39 Burnsie28 : Southwest just keeps digging themselves into a hole, what I mean by that is just in one article, they said that capacity in the US needs to be reduced
40 PVD757 : WN doesn't do seasonal adjustments. WN also VERY rarely reduces frequesncies or drops markets when compared to every other airline and when compared
41 TxAgKuwait : Burnsie: I'm not sure I follow the "loss of respect for them" argument. Here's the bottom line. Right now fares are low. Demand for seats, however, se
42 Tornado82 : Oh ok. I was conceding WN as cheaper than Midwest, at least most routes, just a little misunderstanding there on both ends. Sorry. I keep wanting to
43 N471WN : TxAgKuwait: Thanks for that intelligent response to Burnsie.... You see Burnsie, you need to understand how business works and how business plans play
44 DCA-ROCguy : Excellent reply TxAgKuwait. Airlines who can make money on lower fares can and should add capacity where they can profit from it. Southwest indeed is
45 RL757PVD : Looks like both ISP-BNA flights were cut.....or you could say both got reassigned to MDW.
46 Stl1326 : STL loses one flight to MDW,MCO, and two to HOU. So really there is no additional frequencies added to the schedule it will stay the same at 63 daily.
47 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : I think the implication was "the carriers in bankruptcy and/or losing their shirts" should be reducing capacity, while the carriers that are making a
48 Boeing7E7 : People care about product. That "head to head" you speak of was with a "like" coach product and a losing cost structure for US. Midwest has a better
49 Blhp68 : Well to update the MCI situation, here is what I found: MCI will lose all N/S service to PVD and SLC. MCI will lose 1x daily to ABQ (dropping it from
50 Post contains images Vegasplanes : Now thats funny, "pay for the product". Midwest has not reported a profitable quarter since Q3 03, not a profitable year since 2000. Also, Midwest is
51 Boeing7E7 : I guess if all you can afford is Southwest you wouldn't know what you were missing.
52 Dadoftyler : Or, perhaps people that CAN afford almost anything would rather fly Southwest, get a reasonable value for their airfare dollars, have a comfortable s
53 TrijetFan1 : Damn, why no CLE service?
54 Iowaman : CLE from what I understand isn't the best performing WN city..
55 CO757bos2iah : Maybe people are willing to "pay for the product " that be CO .......... Or fly the other majors for one-stop connections to anywhere they need to ge
56 Boeing7E7 : You're just too funny man. And having worked at an airport and dealt with Southwest employees, I can say from experience there are just as many assho
57 PlanesNTrains : I didn't realize being an a$$hole paid so well. -Dave
58 Post contains images UALFAson : Thank you for pointing out the hypocracy of Southwest's comments that the industry needs to reduce capacity while at the same time they're adding more
59 Post contains images Dadoftyler : Oh, man. No, bud, I don't need to get back to my res terminal. Don't work in Res. I work at HDQ, and I can promise you, I've *forgotten* more about a
60 Trvlr : Exactly. Driving Midwest out of these markets is the key here, make no bones about it. The fare structure on MCI-SAN hasn't exactly been low over the
61 RJNUT : WN is starting to act very Legacy-like! "Oh yeah ,,we only do point to point service" So why drop MCI-PVD and MCI-ABQ and MCI_SLC..All they are doing
62 Swacle : Not saying that WN makes seasonal adjustments, exactly, as I am aware that WN doesn't adjust routs on a seasonal basis, just saying that market adjus
63 Dadoftyler : Ummmm....no. MDW, PHX, and LAS are not hubs for Southwest. Certainly not in the classic airline construction case. Are they large operations? Certain
64 RJNUT : Drink the Kool _Aid , Dadoftyler!! " a rose by any other name..."
65 Dadoftyler : As you wish. To the uninformed, a DC-9 is the same as a 717. To those of us that live this stuff day in and day out, they're vastly different. It's a
66 PlanesNTrains : I'm sure most people, price and schedule being equal, would flock to YX. Sounds like they are a no-brainer for you. That's for sure. They never said
67 Iowaman : Those routes were kind of weird to begin with, and I can see why they wouldn't be performing up to par, where as MCI-SAN and TPA have much higher tra
68 LambertMan : Cleveland, along with Detroit and Indianapolis, are the perennial stations in the Southwest doghouse. St. Louis briefly escaped after AA cut back, an
69 Stlgph : hahha! i love you! oh please. they are hubs. read the Southwest timetable sometime. wrong assumption. people that can afford almost anything don't wo
70 Dadoftyler : Bud....trust me, I know it well. I'm not talking about the let's-call-the-private-jet-and-go crowd. Most people that have a lot of money--especially
71 Stlgph : good. then you are perfectly aware of the great connections you can make at the Southwest hubs in Chicago, Las Vegas, and Phoenix. no, except for the
72 Dadoftyler : I never said I didn't. I said that connections were not STRUCTURED as they are for a hub. Hubs have defined last-arrival and bank-break times. Southw
73 Indy : They added a 2nd daily flight to a market that NW flies RJ service to. I'm not sure thats going after NW. FL could be said to be going after NW. I mi
74 BHMBAGLOCK : No hypocracy as long as other airlines are losing seats faster than WN are adding them. I'm not saying it's nice, but that's the reality of it.
75 N1120A : Well, FL has come back to MSY with 1 daily that I am sure will grow over time. B6 was one of the first airline to announce the return of service, and
76 Stlgph : i get it just fine. Southwest has hubs at Las Vegas, Phoenix, Chicago, and a hub at Baltimore and Houston. my point is you entirely missed my point.
77 Indy : Is WN adding additional service to MCO? Or are you talking about how FL added another flight? I was refering to how FL went after the likes of Orland
78 Stlgph : ah shit, that's MCI. i mis-read and jumped the gun. i was talking to a person at Indy Airport management during my research back in the summer and th
79 Post contains images Tornado82 : But UA's Channel 9 makes up for many other shortcomings.
80 PVD757 : Right, but in reply 33, you clearly stated that most of the new flying is the result of Katrina displaced aircraft and new deliveries. Look around th
81 N1120A : Southwest has one of the least cramped Y classes that exist Amen
82 PlaneGuy27 : Weird that none of these flights are from BWI? I wonder when FLYi will go away so WN can continue to expand...
83 N200WN : You're right. The last major rerwite of the schedule was October '04, and that was supposedly the biggest redo to date...the result of some new compu
84 PlanesNTrains : Sounds like a reasonable explanation to me. Thanks. -Dave
85 PVD757 : ...and MHT.
86 Kahala777 : all of this and still Southwest Airlines does not serves Americas number one business destination.... N E W Y O R K C I T Y KAHALA777
87 MDW22L31C : It would be nice if we see some long hall out of ONT or Non-stops to the PDX and SEA.
88 PVD757 : ONT suffers from similar pressures that MHT and PVD has - a perimiter airport to a larger market where airlines are more concentrated (BOS) and are l
89 Swadispatcher : CLE just has outrageous landing fees! One of the big reasons we've not grown there very much..
90 CO757bos2iah : So what does this mean for DEN ?
91 Iowaman : Can it be any worse than DEN? Well, they do serve ISP.. which does serve part of Long Islands Leisure travelers..
92 GoCOgo : It is my understanding CLE has high landing fees, but cheap gate and other associated terminal costs. From some numbers I've seen, this puts their ov
93 N1120A : Perhaps it is the picante sauce...? Remember, WN does serve LGA with the TZ codeshare
94 Joeman : If this is true, CLE ought to adjust their fees accordingly in order to end the continuous notion that it is one of the highest costing airports in t
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