Sfilipowicz From Netherlands, joined Jul 2002, 327 posts, RR: 1 Posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5472 times:
Hi Everyone,
I couldn't believe my eyes what I saw this morning (9.00AM). Driving to work when i was very near to the office (in Hoofddorp) I saw a Martinair 767 take-off from 18C, suddenly I see the aircraf level off very quick which I thought was strange.
Then I saw an Air France Ambraer climbing out of runway 24. (For the people that know the runway layout at AMS, after dep from 24 and 18C, the paths cross each other very quickly).
I really thought I was going to witness a crash, but luckily they missed (duh, near miss)
I looked at the AMS departures, the Air France was I think Flight AF3445 to Bordeaux, the Martinair I couldn't find any departures at that time.
One strange think I noticed was that the Martinair left there wheels out for longer then normal.
Are there any websites where near misses are reported?
The aircraft from which the photo was taken is departing Rwy24 whereas the threshold clearly apparent in the photo is that of 36C/18C.
Just make a projection and you will see that paths cross sharply and that risk of mid-air collision is high when both runways are in use for departure.
Sfilipowicz From Netherlands, joined Jul 2002, 327 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5330 times:
Thanks for the images! Makes it look even closer then I thought.
Embraer ofcourse, was a bit excited when typing I think
Well I wish I had my scanner with me so I could hear something.
Maybe hear the pilot yell to ATC for giving the take off clearance
or the ATC yell to the pilot for taking off without clearance. Who knows?
No the MP 767 didn't bank, it had it's nose up to the sky but a few seconds later it was down to the ground.
TS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3295 posts, RR: 7 Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5250 times:
According to Schiphol.nl the only Martinair 763 departure by 09:00 is MP3913 to Aruba scheduled by 09:25. The flight didn't depart yet. Delayed for that incident maybe.
If understood, the aircraft rejected take-off seconds after having started to become airborne.
Varig767 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 243 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4984 times:
Hi Steven,
Wow, that must be rather shocking.... I understand you wasn't feeling happy afterwards...
Quoting Sfilipowicz (Thread starter): I saw a Martinair 767 take-off from 18C, suddenly I see the aircraf level off very quick
Quoting TS-IOR (Reply 5): If understood, the aircraft rejected take-off seconds after having started to become airborne.
So, did the aircraft actually continued its flight or landed it directly on runway 18C??
Steven, I am not doubting what you saw, but are you sure it wasn't a difficult executed go-around? I think it is strange to combine runways 24 and 18C for departures at the same time.
Sfilipowicz From Netherlands, joined Jul 2002, 327 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4787 times:
Hmmmm I hadn't even thought of that!
Yes I think you are right, 18C & 24 don't seem very logical as DEP runway.
18C is hardly every used as DEP runway, only seen that a few times.
A go-around would be more likely, that would maybe explain why the wheels
where longer down then ussual.
Anyhow, a pretty shocking site so early in the morning.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9069 posts, RR: 13 Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4325 times:
So the MP 763 was landing on runaway 18C while the AF ERJ was taking off from runway 24? Was the MP 763 appraoching from Schiphol South (cargo apron visible on the bottom right of the photo shown above) to land on the Zwanenburg runway (18C)?
Quoting Sfilipowicz (Reply 3): No the MP 767 didn't bank, it had it's nose up to the sky but a few seconds later it was down to the ground.
If these two aircraft indeed barely avoided crossing each other's flight paths, that is scary. Luckily all went well.
I hate that shit, have some f#@king respect! If you check out the guy's profile you'll probably not be far wrong if you take a guess that English may not be his first language!
Trespassers will be shot; survivors will be shot again!
BDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 16 Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4280 times:
I used to work in the Skyport building at SPL for about 8 years and our office was above the C-pier on the corner looking out over 24/06 so would've had a good view from that perspective I imagine. All sounds very dramatic!
Quoting Hotje (Reply 11): Might it be an aborted landing by the MP 767 on 18C
Logical and very possible!
Trespassers will be shot; survivors will be shot again!
Wukka From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1013 posts, RR: 17 Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4166 times:
Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 15): I hate that shit, have some f#@king respect! If you check out the guy's profile you'll probably not be far wrong if you take a guess that English may not be his first language!
Get over yourself, chief. The same guy that you are defending was, in the same reply, correcting the original poster with this gem.
N774UA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 343 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4042 times:
According to the Dutch site www.scramble.nl it was a goaround of a MP 767 on 18C. A LH CRJ was taking off from 24. The MP was instructed to go to 2000 ft, while the CRJ was held at a 1000 ft.
ACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7598 posts, RR: 40 Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4019 times:
Quoting N774UA (Reply 18): According to the Dutch site www.scramble.nl it was a goaround of a MP 767 on 18C. A LH CRJ was taking off from 24. The MP was instructed to go to 2000 ft, while the CRJ was held at a 1000 ft.
I was going to ask if maybe it was a go around for the B767. Out of all the times I've been in AMS (which was at least once a month for the last several years), I've never seen an a/c take off from 18C (or 18L before the new rwy opened). Don't get me wrong, I'm sure that it's used, just that I've never seen that happen.
Vunz From Netherlands, joined Jun 2001, 360 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3848 times:
Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 19): or 18L before the new rwy opened
To be correct, it was 19R before the new runway (18R-36L) was opened.
I worked at Schiphol between 1999 and 2002 with a view on the taxiway and both the tresholds of 06 and 01L. It was splendid, especially when 01L-19R was used 'the other way round' i.e. landing on 01L (now 36C) or taking off from 19R (now 18C).
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