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Continentals Next European Destination: Cologne  
User currently offlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 545 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7487 times:

Continental continues its strategy of flying to underserved European destinations: Cologne, Germany is apparently next, and will be announced today. I think, CGN is a good choice. US service to Germany's fourth largest city has long been overdue. The airport keeps posting stellar growth figures, and the terminal with its underground bullet train station is a very nice facility

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User currently offlineARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7436 times:

Europe is getting really crowded and yields will continue to go down as DL/CO keep expanding.

I won't bit surprised if in a few years Europe will become the current "domestic nightmare" for the US carriers fare wise.


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7406 times:

Now LTU will really get into trouble with their 6-times weekly service from DUS to JFK - I don't think that the German airline will be able to compete with a large network carrier like CO and still make profits on this route.


Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7383 times:

1. No one that I spoke with at CO seems to know anything yet about this - that being said, there have been surprises before, we will know shortly. While CO will announce additional European destinations for the Summer 2006 schedule, this is first that I (and many insiders that I know at CO) have heard of CGN......but I have been wrong and/or surpirsed before.

2. CO could not make DUS work and withdrew from the DUS-EWR route when its lost a major contract on that route........if DUS did not work, why would CGN? Although CGN has more population, the two cities are very nearby and DUS is the "richer" city with more industry and business. The wildcard could be that CGN offered CO a very interesting incentive package to launch the route - but there is no definite info. (Wasnt ATA talking about flying to CGN before they ran into financial trouble?)

3. Although CGN and DUS lack much longhaul service (including service to the US), dont forget that both cities are connected to FRA by the LH high-speed train - and it is a good service and the product seemless. Any new service will indirectly compete with all flights out of FRA: the question is, would a pax rather fly CGN-EWR-LAX or take the train to FRA and pick up a nonstop flight to LAX? Interesting case study.

I am very curious to hear what is announced concerning this route - I also have a personal interest.....I fly CO BRU-EWR-FLL up to 12 times per year roundtrip and in Europe live just inbetween BRU and CGN, this could add lots of flexibility for me if true.


User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7344 times:

It is official. CO will start in May EWR-CGN with a 752. They just announced it on a press conference in CGN.

User currently offlineDptMAN From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7338 times:

Continental seem to be the new carrier for the EU. Great stratagies doing Point-to-point services to smaller airports. eg. BRS, rather than connecting services via LGW, FRA etc.

So how long before we see them in CWL?? I doubt that will happen with the proximity of BRS in the UK. Seems like MUC would be a good money maker for them as a larger hub airport.
Good going CO


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7276 times:

Quoting DptMAN (Reply 5):


Seems like MUC would be a good money maker for them as a larger hub airport.
Good going CO

As you may know, CO did serve Munich back in the 1990s with DC10 service from EWR......CO dropped the route claiming very high operating costs at the new Munich airport and lack of premium demand......CO just could not get the J class cabin filled up. (MUN, DUS and STN are the 3 European routes that CO has dropped over the years).

For years, CO has said that it has no plans to return to MUN, but recently there has suddenly been chat about a potentital return.......its unclear, and nothing is definite.

Munich is solid Star Alliance territory, which makes competition tough when it comes to business pax.......CO had poor luck at Munich in the past, but that was then and this is now and CO has become a major player accross the Atlantic with its effective strategy to serve smaller European cities with less competition with nonstop service to EWR and onestop service to the Americas. Interesting stuff.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7261 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 3):
I am very curious to hear what is announced concerning this route - I also have a personal interest.....I fly CO BRU-EWR-FLL up to 12 times per year roundtrip and in Europe live just inbetween BRU and CGN, this could add lots of flexibility for me if true.

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I wonder how many people are in a similar situation like you. Continental might get your future business in CGN, but they will loose you in BRU. Continental used to have lots and lots of transit passengers in BRU (and most likely in other stations aswell) coming from the Scandinavian countrys, especially during the quieter winter months. These passenger will now have the ability to fly direct from their own airports, with their preffered airline, the other stations that used to get their business will loose out on this. What's really to gain by expanding to smaller cities?

American carriers (the big 6) bleeding money with their domestic network. Now they're screwing the Atlantic, soon no destinations will be profitable for the already very poor performing American intercontinental carriers.



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7238 times:

It will be interesting to see, how the market develops: will LTU withdraw due to a shift of bookings in favor of CO's larger network ex CGN? Will both airlines withdraw their routes after a while, because none of the competitors can make money?


Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7225 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 7):
wonder how many people are in a similar situation like you. Continental might get your future business in CGN, but they will loose you in BRU. Continental used to have lots and lots of transit passengers in BRU (and most likely in other stations aswell) coming from the Scandinavian countrys, especially during the quieter winter months. These passenger will now have the ability to fly direct from their own airports, with their preffered airline, the other stations that used to get their business will loose out on this. What's really to gain by expanding to smaller cities?

American carriers (the big 6) bleeding money with their domestic network. Now they're screwing the Atlantic, soon no destinations will be profitable for the already very poor performing American intercontinental carriers.

More than BRU, the one who will really suffer with all this expansion is AMS since it used to get fed with Scandinavian and KL.

As you said, Europe is getting ridiculous. The bloodbath we see in the U.S. domestic network will impact Europe in the next few years as CO/Dl keep expanding is such ridiculous way to places where there is not enough demand on both side of the Atlantic to make the loads on flight more or less balanced.

On the good side, CO is using 757s that have a lower CASM that DL 763s. Will see who suffers the most.

Time will tell.


User currently offlineTpaewr From United States of America, joined May 2001, 450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7137 times:

I think it is unfair to compare CO and DL's trans-A expansion. CO has been building each year now for over a decade, in this same time how many times has DL launched and then pulled out of TLV?

Oh ,and CO has made a profit Q2 and Q3, and DL, well you know....


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7113 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 6):
As you may know, CO did serve Munich back in the 1990s with DC10 service from EWR......CO dropped the route claiming very high operating costs at the new Munich airport and lack of premium demand......CO just could not get the J class cabin filled up.

LH even have the Privatair flight to satisfy premium demand.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 6):
For years, CO has said that it has no plans to return to MUN, but recently there has suddenly been chat about a potentital return.......its unclear, and nothing is definite.

Munich is solid Star Alliance territory, which makes competition tough when it comes to business pax.......CO had poor luck at Munich in the past, but that was then and this is now and CO has become a major player accross the Atlantic with its effective strategy to serve smaller European cities with less competition with nonstop service to EWR and onestop service to the Americas. Interesting stuff.

I hope they come back, but there will be stiff competition, a very stiff one...



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7076 times:

So much for: "Will CO come back to DUS?"  Sad

Patrick


User currently onlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3566 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7032 times:

This might sound like just another destination, but for CGN it is sensational. This is the first real long distance destination for many years, except CGN-THR, of course. Another sign that CGN has a great manager.

I am very sceptical about this flight, but it might work, as Bonn is trying to become a big UN-city, which would rely on direct flights to New York. But I would not have expected this flight.

Great for CGN!


User currently offlineLO231 From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 2392 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6961 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 7):
Continental used to have lots and lots of transit passengers in BRU (and most likely in other stations aswell) coming from the Scandinavian countrys, especially during the quieter winter months.

Very true, I flew them BRU-EWR-MIA and there were lots of Scandinavians, lots of them I've seen on my MIA-EWR flight.

regards,
LO231



Got both LO 788 frames already, next LO E95 and 734 BRU-WAW-BRU
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6885 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 2):
Now LTU will really get into trouble with their 6-times weekly service from DUS to JFK - I don't think that the German airline will be able to compete with a large network carrier like CO and still make profits on this route.

This would be just another entry in LT's book of "routes that failed". The JFK flight would get a nice place next to the China flights and the three daily VIE flights which have been cancelled before they actually started.

It must suck to be a route planner for LT.  Wink

Patrick


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5409 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6585 times:

Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 9):
The bloodbath we see in the U.S. domestic network will impact Europe in the next few years as CO/Dl keep expanding ...

The US airlines that are expanding European services are not known for slashing fares; nobody has to worry until a real discounter comes along.



I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11550 posts, RR: 61
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6552 times:

Somewhat related: once AA gets their international J product on the wingletted 757s, they should launch JFK-DUS.

User currently offlineAndie007 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6493 times:

Great news.
Living right between of DUS and Cologne I now can choose from DL, CO and LT nonstop to the US  Smile


User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6499 times:

Press Release Source: Continental Airlines

Continental Airlines Announces Daily Nonstop Service Between New York and Cologne, Germany
Thursday October 27, 1:00 pm ET
Flights to Begin in May 2006


NEW YORK, Oct. 27 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Continental Airlines (NYSE: CAL - News) today announced it will launch daily nonstop flights between its New York hub at Newark Liberty International Airport and Cologne, Germany, starting on May 10, 2006, pending government approval. This will be the first scheduled service between the U.S. and Cologne since 1990.
Continental flight CO110 will depart New York/Newark daily at 6:45 p.m. and arrive in Cologne at 8:10 a.m. the next day. Flight CO111 will depart Cologne/Bonn Konrad Adenauer Airport daily at 10:35 a.m. and arrive in New York/Newark at 1:20 p.m. the same day. Flying times will be approximately seven hours and 25 minutes eastbound and eight hours and 45 minutes westbound. The frequency of service will be reduced to five flights weekly during the winter to account for the traditional seasonal reduction in demand.

"We continue to develop our New York hub to take advantage of its strategic location," said Jim Summerford, Continental's vice president, Europe, Middle East and India. "Newark Liberty is America's doorway to Europe, and it gives European travelers a breadth of connecting opportunities, which is unrivaled among U.S. hubs."

Continental's Cologne-New York/Newark flights will be operated with a 172- seat Boeing 757-200 aircraft, carrying 16 passengers in the BusinessFirst cabin and 156 in economy.

The new flights will feature Continental's renowned BusinessFirst service, which has won the Best Executive/Business Class award at the OAG Airline of the Year Awards in each of the past three years (2005, 2004 and 2003), based on voting by frequent flyers worldwide. BusinessFirst was also voted Best Transatlantic Business Class among U.S. airlines in Conde Nast Traveler magazine's Business Travel Awards 2005 -- for the eighth year running.

This premium-class cabin features extra-wide electronic sleeper seats with 55-inch pitch, adjustable winged headrests and personal video screens. Continental is currently upgrading its fleet of 41 Boeing 757-200 aircraft with a brand-new BusinessFirst entertainment system featuring audio and video on demand with touch screen controls, as well as a new in-seat power system. Other BusinessFirst amenities include gourmet menus and award-winning wines and champagnes. A specially selected and trained corps of Concierges provides individualized pre and post-flight services for BusinessFirst customers at 35 key international airports worldwide.

The new service, the only scheduled nonstop trans-Atlantic service from the German city, will link Cologne not only with New York, the world's financial capital and the number one U.S. business and tourism destination, but also -- via Continental's New York hub -- with 170 other cities throughout North, Central and South America, the Caribbean and beyond.

Cologne is the largest city in North Rhine-Westphalia, the largest German Federal State. Twenty million people live within one hour's drive from Cologne. The dynamic Rhine-Ruhr region is one of the central locations in Europe for industry, trade, the economy, science and research. Last year Cologne saw a 30 percent increase in American visitors.

The Cologne flights have been conveniently timed to connect at New York/Newark with an extensive network of service throughout the U.S.A., Canada and Latin America. Continental is the only major airline to operate a hub in the New York City metropolitan area -- Newark Liberty International Airport.

Passengers arriving at Newark Liberty on Continental flights from Cologne will be able to use exclusive immigration and customs facilities in Terminal C3, Continental's Global Gateway, and connect quickly and easily with Continental's 427 daily services from Newark Liberty to 170 destinations throughout the Americas and beyond, including 153 served non-stop, in almost all cases without changing terminals.

Cologne will become the 28th city in Continental's trans-Atlantic route network, and its fourth destination in Germany, where it has been operating since 1991. The airline operates a daily Boeing 777 nonstop service between Frankfurt and New York/Newark, and launched daily Boeing 757 nonstop services between both Berlin and Hamburg and New York/Newark earlier this year.

Continental Airlines is the world's sixth-largest airline. Continental, together with Continental Express and Continental Connection, has more than 3,000 daily departures throughout the Americas, Europe and Asia, serving 151 domestic and 133 international destinations, more than any other carrier in the world. More than 400 additional points are served via SkyTeam alliance airlines, which include Aeromexico, Air France/KLM, Alitalia, CSA Czech Airlines, Delta Air Lines, Korean Air and Northwest Airlines. With over 42,000 employees, Continental has hubs serving New York, Houston, Cleveland and Guam, and together with Continental Express, carries approximately 60 million passengers per year. Continental consistently earns awards and critical acclaim for both its operation and its corporate culture.

For the second consecutive year, FORTUNE magazine named Continental the No. 1 Most Admired Global Airline on its 2005 list of Most Admired Global Companies. Continental was also included in the publication's annual "Top 50" list, which ranks all companies, across a wide variety of industries, that appear in the Global Most Admired Companies issue. Continental again won major awards at the 2005 OAG Airline of the Year Awards including "Airline of the Year" and "Best Airline Based in North America" for the second consecutive year, and "Best Executive/Business Class" for the third consecutive year. For more company information, visit continental.com .




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Source: Continental Airlines


User currently offlineCAL From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 499 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6349 times:

Ok, So this is new international destination number 3, I wonder what 4 and 5 is?


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User currently offlineGNDOPS From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6349 times:

Quoting CAL (Reply 20):
Ok, So this is new international destination number 3, I wonder what 4 and 5 is?

Maybe WAW or DME??


User currently offlineLemurs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1439 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6320 times:

Am I the only one who is entirely amused by the gloom and doom predicitions people keep making? Since when is new service, with APPROPRIATE capacity, automtically a bad thing? The key here is the 752. It allows for a lot more flexable operations on these smaller routes. You may be right that this trend could cause a shake up on US-EUR routes, but is that a bad thing?

CO is making minimal investments, so if it doesn't work out they can cut their losses relatively easily and try new markets. If at the same time they force other players out of the the more traditional hub-and-spoke traffic that has fed those big planes leaving FRA, CDG, LHR, is that a bad thing? This is what free market is all about. I just don't see why people are so against prices being driven down. Do you like to pay more for less options and more flying?

BTW, I see CO as the poster child for Boeing's stated strategy of more point-to-point operations with the 787. They're doing it already, at a rapid pace, and you can expect that their new 777's and 787's will only compliment that strategy. They have one route that dictates a plane larger than the 772, and that's EWR-TLV. Otherwise, they managed all their destinations with frequencies instead of big metal, and business travelers flock to their door.



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User currently offlineLetsgetwet From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6246 times:

The only thing that I can't understand is : What does CGN have that DUS does not? I would think DUS would have been a better choice. It is slightly farther from FRA, and I would think there would be more business type customers.

User currently offlineJunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6206 times:

Quoting ARGinLON (Reply 9):
More than BRU, the one who will really suffer with all this expansion is AMS since it used to get fed with Scandinavian and KL.

I see your point, but I would think CO would be pleased if their connecting traffic ends up getting spread out over Europe via direct flights on smaller aircraft. This may even mean eventual aircraft downgrades in AMS and BRU allowing expansion of the widebody fleet elsewhere. It's almost a twisted kind of "Southwest Effect" schedule-wise to add more flights on smaller planes to Europe. Also, I don't think this will necessarily cause fare wars like in the U.S. because even though more non-stop service is added the fares still seem rational with connecting competition. I could see them actually getting away with higher fares for those desiring to fly non-stop to New York from some markets.


25 Dutchjet : I agree - I questioned that above. My only guess is that CGN offered an aggressive launch package to CO - ie, reduced or waived landing fees, a subsi
26 TheSonntag : EDIT: Sorry for quoting wrong person. I want to tell why CGN might be attractive, even compared to DUS. Traditionally, most traffic goes from DUS, so
27 HunUtazo : .................BUD next?
28 AtlasAir : Did anyone hear about their gift baskets?
29 Web : I did, but I didn't read the article. What are they, exactly?
30 Iluv747400 : Does EZE count? It's not non-stop, but originates from EWR.
31 Diesel33 : I can tell you something that DUS has that CGN doesn't which works in favor for CGN. THE LH BBJ service from DUS to EWR. If CO operated the service t
32 Cure : Interesting to see how many problems will probably face Lufthansa, expecially in the New York market...
33 TriStar500 : I don't think the problems will be on Lufthansa's side. They are well established with big local companies and their corporate travel accounts. LTU, o
34 N1120A : And? You live in Hamburg now and CO does have service there.
35 TS-IOR : Why is LTU failing in its scheduled long-haul services, and even the short-haul ones, whereas its scheduled "charter" flights are of a great success ?
36 TriStar500 : How do you know?
37 Brons2 : Congrats CO. I had the pleasure of visiting CGN just over a year ago for the 747SP flight. It's a very nice and modern airport with excellent train se
38 TS-IOR : Could you explain ? Isn't LTU making profit on its other flights ?
39 Post contains images Cgnnrw : What a surprise when I bought this morning's newspaper!!! CO starting service to CGN! WOW!!! I was happy when I heard DL is starting service to DUS, b
40 TriStar500 : And, more importantly, a matter of money.
41 Post contains images TheSonntag : As far as I know, T1 is also protected as a monument. And it is not THAT bad, except that the stars are too small for the passengers, but the Starwalk
42 Cgnnrw : Yes, true but to be honest the new "improvements" they did on Terminal 1 are terrible. That same money could have been invested in the rebuilding a n
43 TheSonntag : I just looked it up, and according to Wikipedia.de, T1 has been protected as a monument since 1988 (Denkmalschutz). So tearing it down would be imposs
44 Klwright69 : I think anyone studying CO's strategy could see this coming a mile away. With the addition of HAM, it became obvious that CO was now going to apply th
45 Sabena332 : Yes, but DUS is still my second home airport and I am still very often in the DUS area (like at the moment), so I am very interested in what's going
46 MAH4546 : I know their Miami and Fort Myers flights are good money makers. Those two routes have a very large number of individual bookings, not pre-sold seats
47 Dutchjet : I guess that the next question is - will CO give Munich another chance? CO dropped its Munich service years ago before it re-established itself as a m
48 HunUtazo : ....w/w intl freight divison.
49 Eyeonthesky17 : I think some of DL and CO service announcements to Germany has a great deal to do with the 2006 World Cup. After that event, they will really need to
50 Letsgetwet : "I think some of DL and CO service announcements to Germany has a great deal to do with the 2006 World Cup. After that event, they will really need to
51 Dutchjet : I dont see any connection with the World Cup - its a one time event (in this region) that may increase demand for a couple of weeks (most US residents
52 MAH4546 : And LTU to Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary, New York City, Miami, Fort Myers, Los Angeles, and Orlando...but people always forget about them. They offer
53 Toxtethogrady : "Thats aside from the continuing rumors concerning CO launching flights to Newark from..." Where are they getting all those 757's from? At some point,
54 Eyeonthesky17 : Yes, this is true but the event will prompt a great deal of interest in Germany as a tourist destination for the whole summer. Early interest from th
55 N1120A : Actually, Prague service was one of the main reasons for wingletting the 75Bs
56 Post contains links and images PHX Flyer : Well, here's one thing Cologne has that Duesseldorf doesn't Cologne Duesseldorf Jest aside, there are a number of reasons why Cologne is a good choic
57 MHG : AA will start non-stop service on JFK-NCL with B757 this coming spring. This is confirmed!!! The selection of CGN as Destination over DUS is obviousl
58 Dutchjet : And, doesn't Lufthansa maintain is corporate headquarters in Cologne?
59 Post contains images TheSonntag : Yes, but somehow I doubt that they will use Continental often
60 MAH4546 : What does that have to do with AA starting JFK-DUS?
61 Post contains images MHG : Simply because one fellow in this thread mentionend that "AA will do transatlantic CO-like with 757 as soon they are fitted with winglets" And this i
62 Dutchjet : CO did well in the DUS-EWR when they had a key contract that kept up to 50 seats per day on the flight filled including most of the BF cabin, when CO
63 NumberTwelve : Ok, let's give CO a couple of months and CGN will be cancelled. Sorry to say that, but CGN is definitely a bad decision. Passengers can go from FRA t
64 MAH4546 : The user stated that once AA gets an international-J product on the wingletted 757s that they mightl launch JFK-DUS. That is not the case. AA's trans
65 Dutchjet : I have a feeling that CO considered this and fact and came up with the conclusion that there was adequate demand and support for a flight in and out
66 Letsgetwet : Just checked again, 11/31 EWR- HAM is now overbooked by 2 , EWR-FRA is also overbooked by 2. Some one claimed CO's loads mid -week are weak. Just chec
67 UAcosCS : I'm a big fan of CO and their European conquest, but does anybody think they are going at it pretty quick? I wish UAL had half the routes they operate
68 TheSonntag : I think they are expanding very fast, but why not? Should they wait until all competitors serve the popular routes? I think, however that Continental
69 Letsgetwet : Don't worry, if you live anywhere near CGN, you will see some marketing before May. CO has some very clever ads.
70 STT757 : CO was profitable for the 2nd and 3rd Quarters this year, the only Major US carrier to be profitable for the third Quarter. When you consider the thi
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