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KL Privat Air AMS-IAH Already Promising!  
User currently offlineKLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 810 posts, RR: 22
Posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4513 times:

Just read a "blue note" (note from management summarizing business)
that the load factors developments for the BBJ service to IAH which is set
to start in three days look very encouraging, which leads me the other
information I got.
If these plans prove to be successful KLM will purchase it's own BBJ's and
fly this (and other potential) route with it's own metal and crews.
This could happen as soon as early 2007. Looking forward to these new
developments.

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User currently offlineLexer From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4476 times:

Good news, thanks. This seems to be the trend now?

New airlines like Eos and Maxjet (on JFK-STN) will start to offer business only flights. The concept is being embraced and seems a good one, especially if business fares can be offered at a low/reasonable price.

Wasn't there a similar service to the US to/from Dusseldorf?


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4467 times:

I think KLM strategy with the BBJ is different from LH, AF, EOS & Maxjet.

KLM is adding WBC capasity & frequencies to existing destinations at minimum costs.

The others are offering additional city pairs for business class only to their network.


User currently offlineGlareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1303 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4449 times:

Quoting Lexer (Reply 1):
Wasn't there a similar service to the US to/from Dusseldorf?

Yes, it is Privat Air by Lufthansa. I'm not sure but I think they operate DUS - EWR and DUS - ORD.



There's still a long way to go before all the alliances deserve a star...
User currently offlineKLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 810 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4425 times:

On a sidenote, some more interesting info about KL's 737 fleet that some
of you might not know yet.
In the course of 2006 all the 737-300 and -400 will get the seats that are
now in the -800 and -900 and the latter will get completely new seats.
And now it comes,hold something so that you don't fall off your chair,
KL claims that the new seats are designed in such a way that they allow
a pitch decrease without loss off kneespace. The cushion's are thinner and
the traytables are a new design.This means that the last six row of seats
will go from the already small 31" to 29"!!!


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3161 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4352 times:

Quoting KLMCedric (Reply 4):
KL claims that the new seats are designed in such a way that they allow
a pitch decrease without loss off kneespace. The cushion's are thinner and
the traytables are a new design.This means that the last six row of seats
will go from the already small 31" to 29"!!!

Although 29" seems like very small, there is indeed a big difference between 29" and 29". I found at that the seats in the easyJet 319s are offering good legroom, despite being just 29". Also, the old (reclining) seats of FR are not too bad at 29", whereas the new (non-recling) FR seats are very bad on the legroom at 29".

You mention that it will only be at the last 6 rows. Will they introduce a concept of different on-board comfort levels, by putting the take-off fare people in the back of the plane, just like SAS Snowflake?


User currently offlineLucianflyboy From St. Lucia, joined Jun 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4335 times:

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 3):
Yes, it is Privat Air by Lufthansa. I'm not sure but I think they operate DUS - EWR and DUS - ORD.

They do operate DUS - EWR, DUS - ORD and MUC - EWR.

From what I've heard the service is very good and personalized.

 wave 


User currently offlineSK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 976 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4245 times:

Quoting KLMCedric (Reply 4):
KL claims that the new seats are designed in such a way that they allow
a pitch decrease without loss off kneespace. The cushion's are thinner and
the traytables are a new design.This means that the last six row of seats
will go from the already small 31" to 29"!!!

This not good news!  Sad The KLM manager who brought up this idea and statement should quit his job and start making up fairytales for "De Efteling" (Dutch themepark); he can become very rich.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4236 times:

There are three Privatair flights from EWR to:

DUS (A319LR), MUC (BBJ), ZRH (BBJ).



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4077 times:

Quoting SK601 (Reply 7):
Quoting KLMCedric (Reply 4):
KL claims that the new seats are designed in such a way that they allow
a pitch decrease without loss off kneespace. The cushion's are thinner and
the traytables are a new design.This means that the last six row of seats
will go from the already small 31" to 29"!!!

This not good news! The KLM manager who brought up this idea and statement should quit his job and start making up fairytales for "De Efteling" (Dutch themepark); he can become very rich.

I think I doesn´t matter. In Intra-European flights, the flight are so short that you don´t care about legroom. and if they offer competitive fares and GREAT service (as usual), everything should be fine.
Just my opinion,
Adam



Czech Boeing lover living in Lima
User currently offlineN808NWatMSP From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

Found this off Flytecomm...

Airline- Klm Royal Dutch Airlines
Flight Number- 663
Departure City (Airport)- Amsterdam, Netherlands (EHAM)
Departure Time- 10/30/2005 02:38 PM
Arrival City (Airport)- Houston, TX (IAH)
Arrival Time- 10/30/2005 05:57 PM
Remaining Flight Time- 01:14
Aircraft Type- Boeing 737-700
Current Altitude- 40,000 feet
Current Groundspeed- 501 mph
Flight Status- In Flight

Could this be it?  hyper 


User currently offlineCOfaninBOS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

I just landed at IAH tonight on a 73G from BOS around 7:30. Saw the plane for the first time at Terminal D. It's always nice to see a new livery around all those golden globes!

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32604 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 2):
I think KLM strategy with the BBJ is different from LH, AF, EOS & Maxjet.

KLM is adding WBC capasity & frequencies to existing destinations at minimum costs.

The others are offering additional city pairs for business class only to their network.

Air France does not offer an all-C product. Air France's A319LRs are configured with coach and business class, and while the flights are considered under the "Dedicate" program, there is no difference in service from a regular long-haul flight, it just happens to be on an A319.



a.
User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 3757 times:

I apoligize to everyone, but I have to ask..

does anyone think that a Privatair flight RDU-MUC, RDU-AMS, &/or RDU-ORY would work?

How much does seats on these flights average?

Thanks!



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineLamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months ago) and read 3630 times:

The first flight left yesterday with all 44 seats occupied  thumbsup  Everything went perfect but for a few glitches in Codeco, KLM's departure system. The starboard window seat is called D in Codeco but F on board... caused some confusion but was solved easily of course.


I wish that all skies were orange and blue!!
User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

Watched it being prepped at Schiphol yesterday. Spent a LONG time at the gate.
Hatches open, closed, open again, closed again, repeated several times as stuff was added and removed again from the hold only to be put back again a bit later.

All seemed a bit unorganised. Could be because 737 handlers have little experience working aircraft to US immigration regs maybe.



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7081 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3529 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 12):
Air France does not offer an all-C product. Air France's A319LRs are configured with coach and business class, and while the flights are considered under the "Dedicate" program, there is no difference in service from a regular long-haul flight, it just happens to be on an A319.

I will be surprised if AF/KL don't standardise around the Dedicate product concept.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineJasond From Australia, joined Jul 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

I love this concept. Going transatlantic in a BBJ / A319LR is a brilliant concept. It's the sort of thing that makes this business interesting and Privatair and partners should be congratulated.

User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1980 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3474 times:

Anyone in the know have an answer for whether or not you can ride as a non-rev on it? Business class ZED fares are available on KLM, but one of our co-workers mentioned that IAH told people no non-revs to start. Thinking of flying back from AMS-IAH next week and giving this a eager look!


"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
User currently offlineSAS-A321 From Denmark, joined Mar 2002, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

Do you think that in the future it will be normal to have coach only and business only flights?


It's Scandinavian
User currently offlineSK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 976 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 18):
Anyone in the know have an answer for whether or not you can ride as a non-rev on it? Business class ZED fares are available on KLM, but one of our co-workers mentioned that IAH told people no non-revs to start. Thinking of flying back from AMS-IAH next week and giving this a eager look!

Non-rev travel is NOT allowed on KL663. Only duty travel is accepted.

Also staff with business class priority are not allowed to travel with a staff ticket on the Privatair flight. (KL staff has either c or m class travel priority; depending on your position, for example a captain or a ceo has c-class priority whereas groundstaff or fa's have m-class; with a few exceptions)

btw if KL would allow staff travel, it will be very difficult to get on, it seems that it is a good move from KL, today's flight was booked 95%; OK after two days of flying it's to early to say it is successfully, but it's promising

[Edited 2005-10-31 15:52:36]

[Edited 2005-10-31 15:53:05]

User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3222 times:
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Quoting KLMCedric (Reply 4):
In the course of 2006 all the 737-300 and -400 will get the seats that are
now in the -800 and -900 and the latter will get completely new seats.
And now it comes,hold something so that you don't fall off your chair,
KL claims that the new seats are designed in such a way that they allow
a pitch decrease without loss off kneespace. The cushion's are thinner and
the traytables are a new design.This means that the last six row of seats
will go from the already small 31" to 29"!!!

Doesn't KLM have 188 seats in their 739s (189 being max. allowed)? If so, what's the point of squeezing 36 pax seated in the rearmost seats? Are KLM introducing a new biz-class seat that need more space, hence relocating galleys or closets to the rear of the cabin?



Come, fly the prevailing winds with me
User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

there's no reallocating galleys or toilets in a 739, but more space for a business class seat means less room for economy seats left and I doubt they want to reduce the number of paying cattle.


I wish I were flying
User currently offlineKL662 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3027 times:

Curious what their break-even load factor is for this flight. Was hanging around terminal D last night at IAH (bad thunderstorms delayed my flight) and saw KL664 getting ready for departure. Counted 8 passengers getting on during boarding. Dunno how busy Monday nights are IAH-AMS, but presumably things'll pick up as the flight establishes itself.

User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5161 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3010 times:

Quoting KL662 (Reply 23):
Curious what their break-even load factor is for this flight. Was hanging around terminal D last night at IAH (bad thunderstorms delayed my flight) and saw KL664 getting ready for departure. Counted 8 passengers getting on during boarding. Dunno how busy Monday nights are IAH-AMS, but presumably things'll pick up as the flight establishes itself.

You sure about that?

Quoting SK601 (Reply 20):
btw if KL would allow staff travel, it will be very difficult to get on, it seems that it is a good move from KL, today's flight was booked 95%; OK after two days of flying it's to early to say it is successfully, but it's promising



Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
25 KL662 : I didn't see KL663 arrive, so have to take SK601's word on the 95%. However, the return KL664 boarded in about 45 seconds...
26 Drerx7 : Ahh--that makes sense then.
27 AF022 : Longhaul all-economy flights? No way.
28 Post contains links and images FlySSC : Right. 28 J / 54 Y Not exactely. The service in Y is the same. The service in J is slighly different, less sophisticated, because of the lack of stor
29 KLMflyer : I'll be flying AMS/IAH on KL663 (BBJ) next Sat 12NOV and will post a complete trip report with notes and pics.
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