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BDA In New "Talks" With B6  
User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3890 times:

http://www.theroyalgazette.com/apps/...ticle?AID=/20051027/NEWS/110270114

Brown in new talks with JetBlue

By Scott Neil


Another attempt is today being made to lure cut-price US airline company JetBlue Airways to set up scheduled flights to and from Bermuda.
Since 2001 the Government has been working to secure a deal with the fast-growing company, which has seen airfare costs tumble on routes where it has competed with other carriers.
Making it more affordable for visitors to reach the Island by air is seen as a key initiative to boost falling tourism figures.
Tourism and Transport Minister Dr. Ewart Brown has been holding talks with JetBlue for the past two years in a bid to attract their custom to Bermuda.
He makes his latest pitch today as he leads a Bermudian delegation to Tampa in Florida to meet with JetBlue Chairman and CEO David Neeleman.
Before leaving the Island, Dr. Brown said: “We have had many meetings with JetBlue over the past few years and I remain confident that Bermuda will eventually welcome JetBlue flights from the east coast.”
Amongst the delegation officials will be Bermuda International Airport general manager Jim Howes and Tourism Director of Sales and Marketing Glenn Bean. In 2004 JetBlue applied to fly to the Island in 2005, but that didn’t happen as the low-cost carrier did not have any aircraft available to service the Island.
It is thought the airline may be able to operate a service to Bermuda by next year if the current talks are successful.

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User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3860 times:

Does BDA have USA pre-clearance a la YYZ, NAS, etc.?

User currently offlineTymnBalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 950 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3853 times:

Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 1):
Does BDA have USA pre-clearance a la YYZ, NAS, etc.?

Yes. Bermuda International Airport (nee Kindley Field) is divided between flights to the USA and those to other destinations. Passengers to the USA clear Customs and Immigrations at BDA.

C.



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3842 times:

Quoting TymnBalewne (Reply 2):
Yes. Bermuda International Airport (nee Kindley Field) is divided between flights to the USA and those to other destinations.

Aren't the only flights to non-US destinations from Bermuda four weekly flights by British Airways to Gatwick?



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32790 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3790 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 3):
Quoting TymnBalewne (Reply 2):
Yes. Bermuda International Airport (nee Kindley Field) is divided between flights to the USA and those to other destinations.

Aren't the only flights to non-US destinations from Bermuda four weekly flights by British Airways to Gatwick?

In terms of scheduled flights, yes.



a.
User currently offlineTymnBalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 950 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3759 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 3):
Aren't the only flights to non-US destinations from Bermuda four weekly flights by British Airways to Gatwick?

I believe Air Canada flies to Bermuda.

C.



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User currently offlineBDABOY From Bermuda, joined Nov 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 3738 times:

British Airways and Air Canada operate from a separate section at Bermuda International. Otherwise customs/immigration pre-clearance is available for all U.S. flights.
Bermuda desperately needs some cheaper airfares although I fear it could be too late for the tourism industry! USA3000 only offers a limited service which involves only 2 flights per week to Baltimore in the winter (also to newark and I think Philadelphia in the summer), and their connections are relatively limited.
JetBlue would be a great addition but we're not so hopeful here despite another round of talks.


User currently offlineJayhup From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 1 day ago) and read 3720 times:

BDABOY...just curious...do you work for the airport or one of the airlines?

JH


User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 23 hours ago) and read 3716 times:

I would like to see JetBlue start at least 1 daily flight from BDA to JFK, BOS, IAD and even FLL. They could use the new E190 aircraft.

Does anyone know why airlines (and cruise lines for that matter) only seem to fly from Northeast cities to Bermuda and nobody ever leaves from the south? Bermuda is a beautiful city, and I know a LOT of people in Florida that would like to travel to Bermuda, but it's not easy to do - you have to fly up to the Northeast and then back down to Bermuda. (No cruises leave from Florida to Bermuda either).

Does anyone know why?

Anyway - I hope to see JetBlue add BDA to it's list of cities!

Rob


User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3404 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 23 hours ago) and read 3692 times:

Don't forget during the busy season US offers service from BDA-BOS, LGA, PHL, DCA, BWI, CLT, MCO

User currently offlineInTheSky74 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 22 hours ago) and read 3645 times:

US flies from MCO-BDA?

Rob


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

I have a feeling that BDA is in the very close future. Perhaps early '06 even. JFK-BDA and BOS-BDA would be major money-makers.

There are no U.S LCC's in BDA, correct?

JetBluefan1



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32790 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

Quoting InTheSky74 (Reply 8):
Bermuda is a beautiful city, and I know a LOT of people in Florida that would like to travel to Bermuda, but it's not easy to do - you have to fly up to the Northeast and then back down to Bermuda. (No cruises leave from Florida to Bermuda either).

US Airways flies MCO-BDA during the summer and American Airlines flies MIA-BDA year-round.



a.
User currently offlineRIOJANEIRO From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 3497 times:

The 'new' US Airways will be the only LCC to fly to BDA.

As far as B6 expansion, don't they need some sort of ETOPS/Overwater Certification to fly A320's over there?


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32790 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 3463 times:

Quoting TymnBalewne (Reply 5):
Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 3):
Aren't the only flights to non-US destinations from Bermuda four weekly flights by British Airways to Gatwick?

I believe Air Canada flies to Bermuda.

Correct. They fly from Hamilton to Halifax and Toronto.



a.
User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 3458 times:

Quoting RIOJANEIRO (Reply 13):
As far as B6 expansion, don't they need some sort of ETOPS/Overwater Certification to fly A320's over there?

They will be able to fly it, it isn't that far off and they have it for a certain distance. They can make it to AUA fine with all the requirements so BDA is fine.

BDA would be great, probably 2X 190 JFK, 2X 190 BOS, and later on it would be great if they added 1X IAD (rising to 2 if it is a good route) and 2X FLL.

 airplane jetBlueAtJFK airplane 



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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 3458 times:

Quoting RIOJANEIRO (Reply 13):
The 'new' US Airways will be the only LCC to fly to BDA.

USA 3000 serves BDA from BWI/EWR/PHL. Only the BWI is year-round IIRC.



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 3440 times:

Does Bermuda and the US have open skies? Is there any limit on the number of airlines that can fly on a route between Bermuda and the US - I ask because isnt the NYC-BDA route already well served with AA, US and CO already serving the route? Can JetBlue simply add service on this (international) route without governmental approvals?

User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 3429 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 17):
Does Bermuda and the US have open skies? Is there any limit on the number of airlines that can fly on a route between Bermuda and the US - I ask because isnt the NYC-BDA route already well served with AA, US and CO already serving the route? Can JetBlue simply add service on this (international) route without governmental approvals?

They'll have to get approval but not like a Mexico route request. Don't worry B6 will fill the flights to BDA, many people will pick them to BDA.

 airplane jetBlueAtJFK airplane 



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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 17):
Does Bermuda and the US have open skies? Is there any limit on the number of airlines that can fly on a route between Bermuda and the US - I ask because isnt the NYC-BDA route already well served with AA, US and CO already serving the route? Can JetBlue simply add service on this (international) route without governmental approvals?

It's not open skies, there are only specific gateways allowed for BDA service, but AFAIK there's no limit on the carriers allowed to serve BDA. Even the specified gateways aren't that hard and fast--US has sought and received extrabilateral authority to serve other gateways twice in the past.



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User currently offlineIRelayer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 3370 times:

Quoting RIOJANEIRO (Reply 13):
The 'new' US Airways will be the only LCC to fly to BDA.

I don't think you were being serious but it bears repeating...US Airways is NOT an LCC and no stock symbol will make it so...LCC = Low Cost Carrier (not low "price")...and even after bankruptcy and merger with AW they still have an extremely inefficient cost-structure and a perenially money-losing East Coast route network.


-IR


User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2172 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 12 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

couple of notes

The e190 is not coming overwater equipped from what I have read which precludes that aircraft on a BDA service. Futher it may not be capable of the diversion fuel requirments of BDA service which requires enough fuel on arrival for hold and bingo back to the states as an alternate.

B6 has been on the island on diversions on their carib runs...normally medical.

USA3000 has been on the island for a year as the LCC there.

Air Canada is the second non US carrier next to BA.

At 6 bucks a gallon..gas or milk...BDA is not a low cost tourist destination and premium cabin business is quite good to/from the island. BDA normally offers subsidies for new service only if from a new market.


User currently offlineJeff G From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 436 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 12 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 21):
The e190 is not coming overwater equipped from what I have read which precludes that aircraft on a BDA service. Futher it may not be capable of the diversion fuel requirments of BDA service which requires enough fuel on arrival for hold and bingo back to the states as an alternate.

The E190 is overwater equipped like the A320, so no problems there. It doesn't have the same divert range as the A320 (it's a bit slower on one engine) but that's not a problem for a flight to BDA or most flights to the Caribbean. Operationally there are few if any compromises with the E190 vs the A320.


User currently offlineJerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 253 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

I remember flying DL BOS-BDA-BOS w/ the 767-300 (and ATL too).
The good ol' days. Does DL serve BDA from BOS anymore?

Would B6 fly BOS-BDA??



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User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

Quoting Jerion (Reply 23):
Would B6 fly BOS-BDA??

Most likely they will because they are building up BOS and it looks like most new destinations will have JFK and BOS service not just JFK.

 airplane jetBlueAtJFK airplane 



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25 Columbia107 : Great. Hope it comes true. One other airline to include in my vast collection of aircraft at BDA airport. I agree that BDA is not a low cost tourist
26 Traindriver : I had the privilege of being stationed in Bermuda while in the Navy from April of 69 to May of 71. During that time Northeast used to fly between BDA-
27 Columbia107 : Apologies Highflyer, my wife has just confirmed that the price of gas is US$6 per gallon. You see in Bermuda, the man buys the car and pays for the p
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