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Iceland Express To Lease 3 Hello MD-90's  
User currently offlineAsgeirs From Iceland, joined May 2001, 516 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5519 times:

Iceland Express has signed a three year lease contract with Hello in Switzerland for three MD-90's which will enter the fleet next spring, replacing the MD-82's they have had on lease from JetX since last spring.

The three jets will be used on flights to Iceland Express's main destinations London and Copenhagen as well as the 6 other destinations that will added next spring.

One of the jets will be configured with 167 seats but the other 2 will have a 150 seat configuration.

The aircrafts are manufactured in 1997. There are three Hello MD-90's in the database, HB-JIA, HB-JIB and HB-JIC, so I presume those are the ones Iceland Express will get.


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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5504 times:

Good news, although 150 seats in a MD90 is very spacious for a LCC carrier!!!! Charter airlines configured the smaller MD83 with 167 seats so the MD90 could take more than that.

150 seats in an all economy MD90 is very comfortable for a full service airline let alone an LCC


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4692 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5482 times:

Could a good chance to finally get on an MD-90, which are pretty rare to book as a standalone flight here in Europe, since most are operated by charter airlines.


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User currently offlineAmy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5465 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 2):
Could a good chance to finally get on an MD-90, which are pretty rare to book as a standalone flight here in Europe, since most are operated by charter airlines.

 yes 

I'm surprised that so few carriers rely on the MD-90. I see very few cons to it apart from cargo capacity. Could anyone enlighten me as to the limited success this aircraft has had?



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8430 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5450 times:
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Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 2):
Could a good chance to finally get on an MD-90, which are pretty rare to book as a standalone flight here in Europe, since most are operated by charter airlines.

I agree, once confirmed into service, I feel a short trip from STN to finally get on one!



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User currently offlineAsgeirs From Iceland, joined May 2001, 516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5399 times:

Btw, one of Iceland Express's new destinations was supposed to be Bergen in Norway, but when the MD-90's came their way - they decided to skip Bergen and start flights to Alicante instead because of the added range capabilities of this aircraft type.

I must say that I look forward to having those aircraft in service because the only MD aircrafts I have flown on to date are the MD-82's they currently have. Curious to know if the MD-90's will be as comfortable as the other. I have heard that those aircrafts will have leather seats - can anyone confirm that?



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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5382 times:

WELL DONE HELLO!!!!!!!  Smile
Good choice Iceland Express!  Smile




Quoting Asgeirs (Reply 5):
I have heard that those aircrafts will have leather seats - can anyone confirm that?

Yes, I can Big grin


Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2160 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5365 times:

Quoting Amy (Reply 3):
I'm surprised that so few carriers rely on the MD-90. I see very few cons to it apart from cargo capacity. Could anyone enlighten me as to the limited success this aircraft has had?

Their electrical systems are very unreliable and they are maintenance nightmares from what I've heard. Because of the limited numbers produced spares are in short supply.


User currently offlineHAJFlyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1472 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5350 times:

I am glad that Hello has finally found a new long term home for its MD90s after its plans to operate charter flights with 2-3 aircraft from Swiss airports did not work out.

User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5338 times:

Hi HAJ

They will most likely get a fourth aircraft for their Swiss tour operator business. I expected an announcement since they were actively lookong for crews in the recent weeks.

They expected a bit more business from Swiss tour operators but of course they stick to their own carriers (Belair, Helvetic, Edelweiss). And a lot of tour operators fly with foreign carriers ex Switzerland.

But in the end it was even better for HELLO. Their aircraft are very busy with ad hoc business, a business where you can earn a lot of money. Air traffic is recovering and a lot of operators are in need of additional capacity.

While you needed to wait for your money for months some time ago, the airlines are paying HELLO now already in advance to assure their services.

And best of all, FHE is already profitable after one year of operation.

Regards,
RJ100

[Edited 2005-10-28 16:59:42]


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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5279 times:

With only 150 seats in an aircraft that could accommodate over 170 with ease, maybe theywont be very low cost!

User currently offlineJmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5264 times:

Goos news for Hello and to see Iceland Express expanding. One question though. Why don't Iceland Express get their own AOC and aircraft etc. They used Astraeus for a few years and now Hello for 3 more. I can understand using other airlines to start with, but now surely the business model has been proven, so why not take the leap. Surely it can't be cheaper than paying someone else to do all your flying?

User currently offlineTheSorcerer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 1048 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5254 times:

Quoting Amy (Reply 3):
I see very few cons to it apart from cargo capacity

This probably isn't a reason that it's not so popular but the vertical stabilizer system( electric motor moving a jackscrew up and down) doesn't have a back-up system, that's how an AS flight crashed into the sea in the 90s (sorry can't remember many details)

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Ps not sure how accurate my description of the vertical stabilizer system is  Smile



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User currently offlineHAJFlyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1472 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5240 times:

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 9):
They will most likely get a fourth aircraft for their Swiss tour operator business. I expected an announcement since they were actively lookong for crews in the recent weeks.

RJ100, thanks for the background info.

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 9):
They expected a bit more business from Swiss tour operators but of course they stick to their own carriers (Belair, Helvetic, Edelweiss). And a lot of tour operators fly with foreign carriers ex Switzerland

Another reason IMHO was that the Swiss low cost tour operators such as Castell/Startklar on which HELLO had counted in the beginning did not generate the expected volumes.


Quoting RJ100 (Reply 9):
Their aircraft are very busy with ad hoc business, a business where you can earn a lot of money.

That is correct, but in a business with high fixed costs such as aviation this is also a risky strategy especially considering the fact the HELLO is not that well capitalized. They would hardly be able to survive a severe temporary downturn (e.g. after a major terrorist attack) that would idle several of their aircraft for some time.

BTW, I read somewhere a while back that the lease rates for one of their aircraft are based only on utilisation. Do you know whether this info is correct ?


User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5228 times:

Any more info about the new 6 cities?Alicante is one and the others?

User currently offlineAsgeirs From Iceland, joined May 2001, 516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5230 times:

By not having their own aircraft, they can be more flexible. During the winter months they only need one aircraft for their daily London and Copenhagen flights so it's more economical to lease the aircrafts rather than operating them themselves. Otherwise they would have to find other assignments for them when they don't need them for their own network.

Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 12):
This probably isn't a reason that it's not so popular but the vertical stabilizer system( electric motor moving a jackscrew up and down) doesn't have a back-up system, that's how an AS flight crashed into the sea in the 90s (sorry can't remember many details)

The reason for the AS breakdown was because the jackskrew wasn't lubricated well enough. After this accident, the jackskrews on this aircraft type are lubricated more often and closer watch kept on them.



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User currently offlineAsgeirs From Iceland, joined May 2001, 516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5237 times:

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 14):
Any more info about the new 6 cities?Alicante is one and the others?

The new cities are:

Alicante
Berlin (Schönefeld)
Friedrichshafen
Gothenburg
Stockholm (Arlanda)

+ their year-round Copenhagen and London flights as well as Frankfurt Hahn which they also flew to last summer.



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User currently offlineHAJFlyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1472 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5208 times:

Quoting Asgeirs (Reply 16):
Friedrichshafen

Asgeirs, do you have any idea why they chose FDH ?

I would assume that there would be only very few inbound Icelandic passengers travelling to FDH. While this airport is getting more and more popular, I have a hard time believing that it could sustain such a flight unless they already have some deals with German, Swiss or Austrian tour operators offering package tours to Island.


User currently offlineAsgeirs From Iceland, joined May 2001, 516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5162 times:

HAJFlyer,

Mainly 2 reasons I think:

1. Germany has for a long time been one of the most popular destination for Icelandic travelers

2. It's location is ideal for starting a trip in Germany or Southern Europe.


And don't forget, Germans make up a sizeble portion of the total number of tourists visiting Iceland each year.



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User currently offlineAsgeirs From Iceland, joined May 2001, 516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5158 times:

Oh - I forgot to mention. Those new destinations each only have about 3 flights (roundtrips) a week while London and Copenhagen get two daily flights each (for the most part).


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User currently offlineHAJFlyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1472 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5144 times:

Quoting Asgeirs (Reply 18):
Germany has for a long time been one of the most popular destination for Icelandic travelers

I had no idea that this was the case, but then there aren't that many of you guys, so you probably don't get noticed as much as tourists from more populous nations.


User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 45
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5131 times:

Is the Hello MD-90 used by BritishJet of Malta on a long-term lease? Not heard of any plans by BritishJet to seek new equipment.

The MD-90 is a very rare sight in the UK, I'm hoping the lease agreement continues for some time yet!



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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5080 times:

Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 13):
Another reason IMHO was that the Swiss low cost tour operators such as Castell/Startklar on which HELLO had counted in the beginning did not generate the expected volumes.

Yes that's true.

Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 13):
That is correct, but in a business with high fixed costs such as aviation this is also a risky strategy especially considering the fact the HELLO is not that well capitalized. They would hardly be able to survive a severe temporary downturn (e.g. after a major terrorist attack) that would idle several of their aircraft for some time.

Yes, the aviation business is risky. But HELLO has a strong cost control and they are really busy at the moment. Sometimes they even need to subcharter their own flights because they have too much work.
A terrorist attack (or similar) would hit them too of course, thats for sure.

Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 13):
BTW, I read somewhere a while back that the lease rates for one of their aircraft are based only on utilisation. Do you know whether this info is correct ?

I don't know about that. But I know that they have some really good rates if you want to rent/lease their planes  Wink


Regards,
RJ100  Smile



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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 30
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4973 times:

Just heard that HELLO is doubling its size and acquires 3 additional MD-90s, probably from SAS.

1 flying for BritishJet
2 flying for tour operators ex ZRH and BSL
3 flying for Iceland Express

!!!

 Smile

Again, well done HELLO, keep it going.

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4906 times:

Quoting RJ100 (Reply 23):
Just heard that HELLO is doubling its size and acquires 3 additional MD-90s, probably from SAS.

1 flying for BritishJet
2 flying for tour operators ex ZRH and BSL
3 flying for Iceland Express

Those are real good news and I really can see some live coming back into Swiss aviation. It's also good for Hello to have those additional aircrafts for this contract as it will share the risk on the operation dramatically.

Until yet some tour operators behaved quite critic about Hello as they did a lot of subcharters and the t/o's were afraid that the plane may not be available, once the contract is due. As far as I understand, this was the main reason that Hello could not really make a good market on the Swiss charter market. How the situation looks now, I think it could be possible that they will also get a stronger presence in the Swiss market. Tour operators now can realize that Hello is a reliable partner and acquires additional aircrafts for the subcharters and complies the Swiss contracts as well. Maybe 2 aircraft flying ex BSL / ZRH?

Anyhow, real good news over all!  Smile

Cheers
Legacy135 Wink


25 TriStar500 : This is certainly not true when it comes to choosing a central location in Germany. FDH is a very peripheral airport in the very southwestern corner
26 Post contains images RJ100 : @Legacy: I agree. But I think for next season they will only have two aircraft based in Switzerland, one in BSL, mainly for the Mulhouse based tour op
27 D950 : That was an MD83, not sure the situation with the 90 is analogous. Also great for Moris, always a fan of MDD product, now maybe someone will rescue t
28 Candid76 : One of JetX's MD80s, TFJXC, has been parked at MAN for the last couple of days. Given that they don't operate into MAN, any ideas as to what it is doi
29 RJ100 : It's now official. HELLO buys 3 additional MD-90s from SAS! Regards, RJ100
30 Asgeirs : There are recent photos of TF-JXC operating for Air Scandic. Could that contract be expired and the aircraft maybe waiting for another assignment? Gr
31 D950 : Great for Hello and the MD90's. Were they bought outright, or leased from SAS?? Also will Avia Jet also renew their lease with Hello as BritishJet did
32 D950 : Hello's original 90's came from a combo KTHY, AMC via the desert, and leased from Boeing capital.
33 Jetset7E7 : Does this mean British Jet is carrying on? As it has additional MD90's to lease to Iceland Express? Mark
34 D950 : They have already extended with Hello.
35 Post contains links and images RJ100 : Hi -The new planes will be: OY-KIM View Large View MediumPhoto © Andreas Hoppe SE-DMG View Large View MediumPhoto © David Unsworth - WorldAi
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