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Bombardier To Temporarily Suspend CRJ200 Production  
User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7497 times:

ATI reporting that CRJ200 production to be stopped in January, due to poor market demand.

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User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7423 times:

Yup, and here is the release from Bombardier:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/051028/285245.html?.v=1



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User currently offlineGreasemonkey From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7375 times:

About time. We operate both -200 and -700 and regret ever buying the -200 after seeing the profits produced by the -700. Shorter field operation, more pax, more powerful and efficient engines, etc. Plus on a sidenote, the -200 never did perform very well for us, it was always a biz jet that just got too big, and never quite meant for the abuse airlines put it through.

-GM  Smile



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User currently offlineBjg231 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7355 times:

Good riddance. From a passenger's perspective, the CRJ-200 is probably the most uncomfortable plane in the sky.


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User currently offlineHAJFlyer From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 1473 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7320 times:

Well, it seems that the sales boom for 50-passenger jets is definitely over as more and more carriers prefer the 70+ seaters.

LX is in the process of retiring all its 50-seaters (Saab 2000 and ERJ145) and by early next year the smallest plane in its regional operation will be the RJ85.


User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3030 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7304 times:

Quoting Bjg231 (Reply 3):
Good riddance. From a passenger's perspective, the CRJ-200 is probably the most uncomfortable plane in the sky.

Agreed, but soon there will be about a 50 year supply mothballed 50 seaters in the desert so I do not see them disappearing for a long time. When it comes time for that heavy check, instead just go get one out of the desert.

Good to see from the article that the "415 Water Bomber" is gearing back up.
I am just not sure if the economics of a seasonal use new aircraft are there. Still a lot of old (cheap) airframes out there competing for the same application.

Okie


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7081 times:

Quoting HAJFlyer (Reply 4):
and by early next year the smallest plane in its regional operation will be the RJ85.

Seeing as the ERJ's CASM is better than the CRJ's... and those 4-engined Avros are maintenance hogs... is it really cheaper to run a 4-engine Avro than a relatively newer ERJ?? Especially on the thin routes, and considering the ERJ can go higher and faster.

Quoting Okie (Reply 5):
Agreed, but soon there will be about a 50 year supply mothballed 50 seaters in the desert so I do not see them disappearing for a long time. When it comes time for that heavy check

I expect to see some ERJ/CRJ conversions back to biz jets... and just maybe a *few* freighters... kinda like the roles some of these Learjet freighters run now and so forth.


As for the CRJ-200's being gone. Good riddance. I never did like them, uncomfortable, impossible to look out the windows, and they just never feel "right" in flight, between the take off rolls, the slow climbs, low cruises, and everything else. Give me an ERJ anyday on a route like that (and living in ABE most routes are like that) and a classic example of why I chose CO for my main airline.

[Edited 2005-10-28 19:30:11]

User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4327 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7065 times:

Quoting Bjg231 (Reply 3):
Good riddance. From a passenger's perspective, the CRJ-200 is probably the most uncomfortable plane in the sky.

"Probably"? How about "definitely"?

And you realize what a terrible airplane it is after riding in the competition's ERJ145.



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User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6176 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6777 times:

Wave goodbye to the C-Series... this is another nail in the coffin of the Commercial Aircraft Division.


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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3242 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6755 times:

Quoting Bjg231 (Reply 3):
Good riddance. From a passenger's perspective, the CRJ-200 is probably the most uncomfortable plane in the sky.

Yeah, I second this. I just feels bloody crammed. I'd still fly on them, but I try to avoid them when/if I can.

Tony



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User currently offlineCslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6660 times:

Today YTO's Globe and Mail posted this article.

Highlights:
-CRJ200 production haults in mid January 2006
-Bombardier has 18 CRJ2000s due for delivery in 2006.
-Major layoffs in Montreal and Belfast.
-12 projected CRJ200 deliveries in 2007.

I hope the this closure of the CRJ200 production line is permanent. Really, does Bombardier want to build airframes that won't be delivered to customers like DL or NW? I'm expecting DL and NW to also terminate some of their leases on their 40/44/50-seat CRJ100s/200s/400s/440s. Plus I expect DH to dump its remaining 50-seat CRJs extremely soon. I'm expecting that by St-Patrick's Day we will see close to 100 40/44/50-seat CRJs parked in the desert.



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13110 posts, RR: 100
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6598 times:
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Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 10):
I hope the this closure of the CRJ200 production line is permanent. Really, does Bombardier want to build airframes that won't be delivered to customers like DL or NW? I'm expecting DL and NW to also terminate some of their leases on their 40/44/50-seat CRJ100s/200s/400s/440s. Plus I expect DH to dump its remaining 50-seat CRJs extremely soon. I'm expecting that by St-Patrick's Day we will see close to 100 40/44/50-seat CRJs parked in the desert.

100% agree with you. I would add that I expect to see close to 200 CRJ's parked in the desert by this time next year. There is a niche for 50 seaters, but not a 2,000 airframe niche...

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 6591 times:

I've flown on the CRJ200 only once and that was 3 years ago from Denver (DEN) to Santa Barbara (SBA) on United Express (operated byAir Wisconsin). It was a CRJ200ER and I didn't like much at all. It was a full flight and we used up nearly the entire 12,000 feet of the runway! I was shocked. I had heard that CRJ requires a relatively long take-off roll since it lacks slats, but my gosh, we used almost as much runway as we did when I flew on an LH A340 to FRA.

I've never flown on the CRJ700/900, but they do look quite slick. I'd love to try them one day, especially since their windows are mounted higher! My gosh it was such a pain on the CRJ200, and I'm not particularly tall...

The slats on the CRJ700/900 is also a clear plus.

Either way, my favorite regional jet is the Avro RJ and probably will always be my favorite regional jet.  Smile

Regards



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6495 times:

Mike Boyd has been sour on RJ's all year on his "Aviation Hot Flash" page:

http://www.aviationplanning.com/asrc1.htm

Like him or not, he has made a good argument. There is probably more pain to come....



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User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6299 times:

I DESPISE the crj200! I fly ORD-ORF regularly and go to AA ERJs when price is similar because the ERJs are downright luxurious in comparison! The tiny low windows always give me a sore neck! Next week I fly the CRJ200 to ORF and retrurn on the EJ170... Should make for an interesting comparison....like night and day!

User currently offlineWeb From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6121 times:

I don't find CRJ-200s to be so bad, but I agree, they don't hold a candle to the ERJs. And there is a market for 50-seat jets, but no airline taps that market (long (>400 miles), thin routes), and the only plane anyone would want to fly on that type of route is the ERJ. So idealy, in the forseeable future, ERJs have a bit of a monopoly; no one likes the competiton, and they have longer range.


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User currently offlineODwyerPW From Mexico, joined Dec 2004, 855 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6072 times:

I've flown the CRJ200's many times. Didn't really mind them at all.


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User currently offlineNLINK From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6053 times:

CRJ is much more comfortable than the ERJ. I hate how tiny the cabin is in the ERJ, to narrow, looks to much like a turboprop inside.

User currently offlineODwyerPW From Mexico, joined Dec 2004, 855 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6015 times:

I've flown the ERJ-135 as well. Didn't mind it anymore or less than the CRJ200.


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User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5983 times:

Love or hate them,they have changed how we see aviation today. I think the production line for the CRJ 100/200 50 seat series has served it's purpose with a run of about 1000 units,that's quite successful? The industry is always in a constant state of evolution,whether it be aircraft,services,routes or fares. Times change and we can be thankful for the CRJ,in that it gave many of us the chance to fly fast and avoid many of the connections that were the norm not so long ago. So it's an end of an era and a beginning of another(E70-95)and I'm excited about the things to come. I wouldn't be so cocky to assume that so many of these CRJ aircraft will be parked in the desert,but rather,they will find new homes and their future owners will find missions for them that can still be profitable.

User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5973 times:

I didn't find the CRJs any less comfortable than the smaller ERJs other than the windows on the 100s and 200s which you need to be the Hunchback of Notre Dame to look through. I suppose comfort also has to do with the seats the airlines choose to fit them with and the seat pitch they choose. The larger ERJs are definitely more spacious. I really hope to see the C-Series program launched.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21525 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5942 times:

Quoting Web (Reply 15):
And there is a market for 50-seat jets, but no airline taps that market (long (>400 miles), thin routes), and the only plane anyone would want to fly on that type of route is the ERJ.

COex flies them routinely on those kind of routes, to the dismay of those of us who prefer a larger jet for 2+ hour flights...

Quoting NLINK (Reply 17):
CRJ is much more comfortable than the ERJ.

CRJ is not all the same. The 700/900 has a lower floor and higher windows to provide a larger cabin and better views, etc.

CRJ200 is cramped for anyone tall.



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User currently offlineNLINK From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5895 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 21):

CRJ is not all the same

I am 6'2 and have no problem on the CRJ-200. I have to duck a bit, but the cabin height is still bigger in the CRJ-200 than the ERJ145 series. I really hate how narrow the 145 series is.

For the CRJ-700/900 vs ERJ-170 series, I think the ERJ-170 series is much more comfortable.


User currently offlineAlasdaironeil From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5816 times:

Am i the only one who thought that the Crj200 is a nice aircraft???

I've only flown it once, so its difficult to make a general impression, but my flight was very comfortable and stable. But, i'm 5'8, maybe i'm short enough.

Also think they look very nice.

Never tried an Erj, but i always thought that Crj looks better.



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13110 posts, RR: 100
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5789 times:
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Quoting 9252fly (Reply 19):
Love or hate them,they have changed how we see aviation today. I think the production line for the CRJ 100/200 50 seat series has served it's purpose with a run of about 1000 units,that's quite successful?

Good point. The benchmark for a "runaway success" airframe is 1000 units. The CR2 passed that point and has thus earned the accolades.  praise 

The CRJ (and later the ERJ) changed the market dramatically.  praise 

That said, expect hundreds to become beer cans soon.  spit 

Lightsaber



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25 Web : I know, I have flown such a route with them (DEN-CLE), what I meant was that not many airlines fly those kind of routes, not no airlines.
26 Ikramerica : well, with that correction, you are right. And it's not to say CO doesn't have a mess of too short flights, but that was their idea to go to an all E
27 Tornado82 : Flex Takeoff. Why run it full steam ahead and bring up maintenance on the engines quicker and only use half the runway? Save the engines, use more ru
28 Arrow : No -- I have no problem with it and I've flown on several, sitting in aisle and window. I think it is an excellent airplane and I've always had comfo
29 Mikefly562 : Thank God the CRJ-200 will cease production. The CRJ-700 is much better and more comfortable. I personally have found the CRJ-200 to be by far the wor
30 Planemaker : Not so... unless you call having a mere 1-inch of additional aisle height "much better and more comfortable." And who spends their flight standing in
31 Post contains links and images BCAInfoSys : I've flown the CRJ-700 with QX (Horizon), and the CRJ-200 more times then I can count with OO (Skywest). And while I agree, the CRJ-200 sucks somethi
32 Tornado82 : Yeah the CRJ-700 is barely noticably different. The main difference in it is just the takeoff performance, but Joe Q. Public doesn't notice stuff like
33 Post contains images Pyrex : Well, you know what happened last time someone tried...
34 Aloha717200 : I flew on the CRJ last year SLC-PDX, and wasn't expecting it to be a good flight because of the poor reviews of the CRJ I've read on this site. But ho
35 Tornado82 : Yes, unfortunately, that's why I worded it the way I did.
36 Caribb : I like both the ERJ and CRJ. Yeah the ERJ's are narrow and the CRJ windows are low but overall they are very similar and the ride is quite comfortable
37 ATCT : Yea I nonreved on CRJ's all the time. A coach seat is a coach seat. I personally love the aircraft. Great from a ramp rats point of view, and flying o
38 Frugalqxnwa : Both types of Bombardier aircraft I have flown (CRJ100/200 and Q400) were uncomfortable (but then again I am a little chubby). If I have a choice betw
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