Airlinespotter From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 161 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7813 times:
Will US ever consisder Asia in the near future? and if the do which country they will fly to? I realized that all their long-range, widebody A/C are being used, but are they getting more A333-200 and B787 anytime soon? I think Philadelphia and Phoenix are great hubs for the initial service to Asia. What do you'll e.neters think? Thanks for any input.
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7737 times:
There are two problems with getting routes to Asia: (1) Permission, and (2) slots at certain airports.
It seems to me that everytime a route is announced here at a.net, there are several airlines competing for that route - AA serving CAN (I think), CO hoping for more China routes, UA and NW entrenched but fighting for market share. For another competitor such as US, it would make it that much harder.
Is NRT the only slot restricted airport in terms of planes? I know airlines need permission for slots there. What about other Asian airports?
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Vega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7625 times:
Quoting Supa7e7 (Reply 3): LAS-PEK, LAS-PVG, LAS-TPE, LAS-ICN, LAS-BKK come to mind. LAS-NGO, LAS-KIX also
Are you serious?
Quoting Supa7e7 (Reply 3): Around 2010 the US-China traffic will be pumped up beyond all recognition. Coindidentally, US's A350s will be arriving. PHL will be the Europe hub and LAS could be the Asian
We don't really know what Parker, etal. are strategizing regarding the Far East, or Europe for that matter. If they really felt the Asian market was an opportunity not to be missed, they could lease the appropriate aircraft and start service well before the 350, or if not available, the fallback 787 arrives.
UnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7595 times:
Quoting Supa7e7 (Reply 3): LAS-PEK, LAS-PVG, LAS-TPE, LAS-ICN, LAS-BKK come to mind. LAS-NGO, LAS-KIX also.
Well just a few problems with these routes. PEK/PVG are very difficult to get rights to fly to. TPE and ICN are VERY low margin. KIX is a maybe...but would be difficult. NGO cannot really support an airline with out a Toyota contract from the states. AA pulled there services after they lost the RFP for Toyota and I have herd rumors that NW will be going to 4x weekly on NGO. NRT or HKG are the best bets if they are trying to fly from LAS. However their best bet for new Asia service is from PHL. PHL desperately needs NRT service. With star they could make very good downline connections. I have thought for years that UA should be operating this service. Feeding with O&D and a fair amount of UA passengers off codeshare flights from destinations where UA does not serve. Anyhow just my two cents.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7545 times:
The new US will have A350s that are certainly capable of flying transpacific routes out of not only PHX or LAX, but also out of PHL. PHX or LAS could serve as trans-pacific gateways, or even a PHL-NRT flight is a possibility, so it could happen. If and when the new US will enter the Pacific market is another story - an open skies policy has not been embraced in the pacific region, so route authorities will be hard to obtain and it will take time, there is a good amount of risk associated with entering the longhaul transpacific marketplace due to the long routes and equipment required (DL did not have much luck with the Pacific for example), and LAS and PHX- which could be interesting as pacific gateway cities from a geographic point of view - are more lesiure oriented cities and may not generate enough O/D traffic or premium traffic to make the services interesting financially. Although many people from Asia are fascinated with Las Vegas and gambling, running flights from Las Vegas to Asian destinations has considerable risk.
Short answer, maybe, but its probably far too soon to tell if US will look to add routes accross the Pacific - Pacific services may simply be handled by STAR alliance partner UA.
Well with the high demand of east coast passengers wanting to bypass the west coast US shouldnt have too much of a hard time. They have a Power house hub in PHL they shouldnt have too many troubles. Not to mention they could probably code on UA SIN and SGN flights beyond.
Centrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7248 times:
Quoting UnitedTristar (Reply 5): NGO cannot really support an airline with out a Toyota contract from the states. AA pulled there services after they lost the RFP for Toyota and I have herd rumors that NW will be going to 4x weekly on NGO.
Hmmm... I have heard that too. But for some reason it doesn't add up. "NGO cannot really support an airline without a Toyota Contract from the states." I didn't realize that the 10th most economically strong region in the world depended so heavily on Toyota.
Quote: Chubu is home to the headquarters and production plants of several vehicle manufacturing corporations that are active on a global scale, such as Toyota Motor Corporation, Honda Motor, Mitsubishi Motors Corporation, Suzuki Motor Corporation and Yamaha Motor, producing 5.27 million motor vehicles (9.44% of the world market in 2001) and 1.55 million motorcycles (8.13% of the world market in 2000).
...6,000 local automobile parts manufacturers' production plants, including Denso Corporation, Toyota Industries Corporation, Aisin Seiki and Toyoda Gosei, are all centrally located in the three prefectures of Aichi, Shizuoka and Mie.
Japan's biggest aerospace enterprises, such as Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Kawasaki Heavy Industries and a number of associated enterprises are located in Chubu.
We also are home to Epson, Seiko, Hitachi Advanced Technologies, and a host of other IT companies and developers.
What about the European market. We have daily NGO-FRA and NGO-CDG. Soon we are getting 4x week NGO-HEL. Austrian has also stated interest in serving NGO. Do they survive with Toyota Contracts?
NH planning NGO-SEA (a rare move for them) for next year to support Boeing/Mitsubishi/Fuji/Kawasaki with 777, 787 and 737 parts production and engineering.
If US were to start flying to NGO, of course it would be a challenge for them though. Their destinations PHL, PHX and LAS are not big for industry which is why business people come here. They could get NRT but very difficult until the new runway opens (in the next 30 years). ICN would be an easy one as it has low landing fees, very open right now and looking for more carriers. In the next 10 years I think we will see Asia start looking like the European market today. Prices will drop due to increased competition. But...US will have huge hurdles. They have limited experience, A/C and would not only be going up against US carries already in Asia but Asian carries that will be wanting to expand in North America. It goes both ways.
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!