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Competition For BA On The London-Bermuda Route  
User currently offlineColumbia107 From Gibraltar, joined Aug 2004, 358 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 4173 times:

Fly First Class, a Florida-based company are planning to launch five-day-a-week flights between Bermuda and London as early as next January.

Although still waiting for final UK Government approval , First Class Fly intends to target both the business and leisure markets with the service, which will also visit Wilmington, North Carolina two days a week.

The airline will use 767 wide-body aircraft, carrying 90 passengers in a cabin layout that is actually big enough to accommodate around 200, divided into three classes – First Class, Business Class and Suite Class – with in-flight DVD players standard for all classes of service.

Among the luxuries on offer to the ten First Class passengers on each are a six-course ‘linen and china service’ meal prepared by an on-board chef, and 78 inch pitch seats.

But all goodies do not end there. It appears that Fly First Class intentions are to offer unrestricted year-round fares for the round trip from Bermuda to the UK at extremely attractive prices, US$5200 for a first class seat, $3800 in business class and $1399 for suite class seat.

The flight into the UK will land at Stanstead Airport which is linked to central London by a fast train link to Liverpool Street Station.

It appears that Fly First Class's proposed schedule, which is still waiting for the final green light, will consist flights out of London on Monday and Thursday mornings will arrive in Bermuda in the early afternoon. Return overnight flights from Bermuda to Stanstead, London will depart Bermuda on Monday and Thursday evenings. On Fridays, a service to Bermuda will depart the UK in the morning. This flight will return on Saturdays by way of an overnight flight to London. A service will also leave the UK on a Sunday morning, arriving in Bermuda in the early afternoon, local time. Trips both ways between Bermuda and Wilmington, North Carolina will be offered on Friday and Sunday afternoons.

First Fly Class will also be able to benefit from providing freight services to Bermuda from the USA and the UK.

This augurs well for the residents of Bermuda who have so far had to accept a BA monopoly on the London- Bermuda route charging some pretty exorbitant prices. Fly First Class air fares appear to be some 25% cheaper than BAs.

In fact, BA's coach or World Traveller class represents some 50 per cent of the seats of the T7-200 used by BA on the route. The disgusting fact is that such cabin class occupies some 33% of the aircraft's cabin space.

Fortunately my employers subsidize my flights and I am therefore able to travel on a higher class cabin.


In God we trust
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User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 4128 times:

Hi all,

BA may have competition on London-Bermuda, but they have the advantage of not flying out of STN!

As for a fast train to Central London....depends on your interpretation of the words, fast and Central

Cheers

Ben Pritchard


User currently offlineColumbia107 From Gibraltar, joined Aug 2004, 358 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 4111 times:

Quoting LGW (Reply 1):

As for a fast train to Central London....depends on your interpretation of the words, fast and Central

Well Liverpool Street is Central London.

Besides a 25% savings represents a good 4 star hotel for one night plus top notch tickets at one of London's West End theatres. All for the added extra "cost" of 30 minutes traveling time.



In God we trust
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (8 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

Good to see another US carrier into the UK!

Which US airline has the biggest presence in Bermuda?

Would any US major ever start mainland US - Bermuda - Europe flights?

Intresting, this article says they wan't to start LTN-EWR flights?
http://www.luxist.com/entry/1234000683044549/

Rob!

[Edited 2005-10-29 21:30:57]

User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (8 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 3962 times:

Wilmington? Seems an odd choice!


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User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

Quoting Columbia107 (Thread starter):
In fact, BA's coach or World Traveller class represents some 50 per cent of the seats of the T7-200 used by BA on the route. The disgusting fact is that such cabin class occupies some 33% of the aircraft's cabin space.

What is disgusting about that? Flying in economy is not my idea of fun but the fact is it enables many people to travel who could otherwise not afford to do so. It's not as if BA staff are grabbing random people off the street and forcing them to fly in World Traveller. Every BA 777 has WTP on offer to pax who want to spend a bit more on an economy cabin with extra space.


User currently offlineBtriple7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1163 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 4):
Wilmington? Seems an odd choice!

So this begs the question: How is an airline going to offer flights from ILM-BDA-STN on a 767 configured for 90 passengers with fares starting $699 USD and still make a profit. Is there really a market in Wilmington? The town is nice and all, but how many locals in London and Wilmington want to go to the other. Not very many. I can tell you, because I live in Wilmington. If FlyFirstClass does succeed, I would be VERY happy. I would be able to go and visit my whole family over in Europe.

Best Regards,
Btriple7



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User currently offlineFlyLondon From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

Quoting Columbia107 (Thread starter):
In fact, BA's coach or World Traveller class represents some 50 per cent of the seats of the T7-200 used by BA on the route. The disgusting fact is that such cabin class occupies some 33% of the aircraft's cabin space.

An economy class seat taking up proportionatly less space than first or business class!!! Quick call CNN, the BBC every world media outlet! They must run this shocking and "disgusting" fact as their top story!!!


User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

HAHAHAHAHA

Thats all i can say. I doubt this airline will see the light of day at all


User currently offlineBtriple7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1163 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (8 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 3845 times:

Quoting Trekster (Reply 8):
HAHAHAHAHA

Thats all i can say. I doubt this airline will see the light of day at all

As much as it hurts me to say, I would have to agree with you.



Just...fly.
User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 3831 times:

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 6):
s there really a market in Wilmington? The town is nice and all, but how many locals in London and Wilmington want to go to the other. Not very many. I can tell you, because I live in Wilmington.

Wilmington is not far from Philadelphia.

AAndrew


User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 944 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 3826 times:

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 10):
Wilmington is not far from Philadelphia

But I presume that PHL will be closer


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7786 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (8 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 3817 times:

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 10):
Wilmington is not far from Philadelphia.

Wilmington, NC not Wilmington, DE.



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User currently offlineBtriple7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1163 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 3785 times:

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 12):
Wilmington, NC not Wilmington, DE.

I sure many Londoners will make the same mistake when they here about this flight.



Just...fly.
User currently offlineColumbia107 From Gibraltar, joined Aug 2004, 358 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 3676 times:

Quoting FlyLondon (Reply 7):
An economy class seat taking up proportionally less space than first or business class!!! Quick call CNN, the BBC every world media outlet! They must run this shocking and "disgusting" fact as their top story!!!

Typical British sense of humour

Quoting Shamrock_747 (Reply 5):
What is disgusting about that? Flying in economy is not my idea of fun but the fact is it enables many people to travel who could otherwise not afford to do so. It's not as if BA staff are grabbing random people off the street and forcing them to fly in World Traveller. Every BA 777 has WTP on offer to pax who want to spend a bit more on an economy cabin with extra space.

Precisely. WTP seats is what BA should offer its WT passengers. In the case of a T7 You are probably looking at 10 WT seats less, the income of which can easily be recovered by charging a small surcharge on a WT fare on the Bermuda route. In the case of BA's other routes, the loss of income would be recovered by the extra business it would attract from its competitors. Value for moeny is what people like.



In God we trust
User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3713 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3664 times:

WTF, sounds like one of those fantasy airlines a 13yr old CEO wannabe comes up with on here!

Suite Class seems an odd choice for coach, as does the name of the airline!

As for flying from STN, not a good idea, MAXjet and Eos managed to get away with this on face value because they seem to be targetting City of London based flyers with quick connections to the airport via Liverpool Street and the SEX. Does BDA have much opportunities past business travel regarding insurance...enough to sustain an airline such as this?

Regardless of this BA does seem to have extortionate fares ex-LGW for the BDA service.



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User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 15):
13yr old CEO wannabe comes up with on here!

Hey !, Don't bash my ideas  Wink
I must stand up and defend my airline , Go BA go !
Seriously, I don't see this idea lifting of the ground, He/she will not be able to get enough passengers, If it was from LGW and had more destinations, mabey, but these days , everthing's about profit.

Wrighbrothers



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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3297 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3381 times:

Quoting Columbia107 (Thread starter):
Fly First Class, a Florida-based company are planning to launch five-day-a-week flights between Bermuda and London as early as next January.

If they are Florida-based, they'd be a US flag carrier, correct? If so, how would they be able to fly between 2 non-US points? Especially under Bermuda 2?


User currently offlineKahala777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3333 times:

Great!

Finally the people from both England and Bermuda are free from the dwindling service standards of British Airways!

KAHALA777


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