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Next To Put Winglets On Their 737NG Or 752's?  
User currently offlineAdipasqu From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

Other than AA, who is next in the USA to outfit their narrow-body fleet with these fuel savers? Does AS have plans to outfit their 73G's?


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6006 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3567 times:

Adipasqu: Ummmm, half of AS 73G's already have winglets. N618/625/626/627/629/645/647/648 are the only ones with no winglets. The other 14 have them already.


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User currently offlineAdipasqu From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3556 times:

Quoting Adipasqu (Thread starter):
Adipasqu: Ummmm, half of AS 73G's already have winglets. N618/625/626/627/629/645/647/648 are the only ones with no winglets. The other 14 have them already.

You see, that's what I get for not taking a vacation in such a long time. Plus, usually I'm on a M80 into BUR. It's been a while since I've been on a AS 737, which was a 900 from RNO. Question for you AS739X: Is the 73G with winglets a "better" plane for places like BUR (short runways, prone to unfavorable wind conditions, and strong noise abatement rules) when compared to the MD-83?



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6006 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

Yes...period. All the 737NG are better then the MD80 in regards to performance. Range,Fuel, Runway use, climb ability,etc. the NG out performs the MadDoggie. The only issue's we have sometime are runway lengh with full 900's, but in that case its getting out much more load then a full MD. But simply the 700 is a better plane for BUR other then it doesnt hold as many passengers. The winglets do help some in the performance thought BUR sometime is an except with the inclined runway.

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User currently offlineAdipasqu From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3536 times:

AS739X,

Thanks a bunch for your insight. I know the 73G holds fewer pax than the M80, but why doesn't AS use their 73G for problem airports like BUR? Is it because 73G's and 738's are the preferred aircraft for the trans-cons because of their exceptional range?



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6006 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

We just really don't have enough 700/800 to go around. The 800 obviously is the best all-around plane, but the 700 serves a good market. With the way AS has our schedule done, honestly the planners have been pretty bad in scheduling planes where they need or should be. I raised a stink about why we were operating the MD's into PSP during the winter when they couldn't fly the RNP approach. The answer back from higher ups was a beating around the bush at saying to me that they screwed up. But its just the plane available at the time its needed.

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User currently offlineTavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 834 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3445 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 5):
The 800 obviously is the best all-around plane, but the 700 serves a good market

Please excuse my igonrance but can you explein me why the -800 is the best all arround plane? (i always tougth it was the -700 cause many airlines has them too), again please exsue my lack of knowledge


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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3411 times:

What about UA, given their large fleet of 757-200's? I think they will eventually eliminate all of their 737's and go short-haul Airbus A319/A320's......

I think the UA has enough 757's and enough routes to justify it....



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User currently offlineAdipasqu From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 7):
I think the UA has enough 757's and enough routes to justify it....

I agree...their 752's aren't going anywhere anytime soon and with the current trend of using 752's on longer hauls/trans-cons, 3-8% fuel savings looks mighty attractive with oil >$60/bbl.



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User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3275 times:

I would join our fellow members here in this post and say UA and also add DL to the pickins after they exit bk and can afford it.
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User currently offlineBomber996 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3262 times:

Are the winglets even certified for PW powered 757's? Remember, the airlines that are currently looking at winglets have RR powered aircraft. CO provided a RR powered aircraft for the testing. Is there much more needed then paperwork to have this work for the PW powered aircraft that UA and DL operate?

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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3256 times:

In the trade-off of using or not using winglets there is a balance between average trip lenght of the fleet and pay back period. The higher fuel cost and lack of real 757 replacement seems to make the business case for 757 winglets more viable.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21419 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3220 times:

And the brand new status of many 738s makes it worthwhile as well, since they will be in the fleet for 15+ years.

It's the 767s which one has to wonder about. Maybe an airline like CO with all new 767s might do it, but not that many others.

772ER seems like the next likely candidate.



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User currently offlineBomber996 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):
It's the 767s which one has to wonder about. Maybe an airline like CO with all new 767s might do it, but not that many others.

I would love to see CO retrofit their aircraft with winglets. Not the blended winglets though, the ranked winglets like the ones on the 777NG and the 767-400. Is this viable, or will I have to deal with the blended winglets?

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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3100 times:

And maybe some more 737 Classic winglets.

Virgin Express Orders 4 Boeing 737-300 Blended Winglet(TM) Shipsets

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User currently offlineSAS-A321 From Denmark, joined Mar 2002, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

I know that Iceland Air is not based in the US, but with their fleet of 757s they could also with a good benefit install winglets.


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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4094 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

Quoting Bomber996 (Reply 10):
Is there much more needed then paperwork to have this work for the PW powered aircraft that UA and DL operate?

There was a rumor on this board that UA had a 752 flying around with winglets for this reason...whether or not it's true, nobody knows. But yes, it would need to be certified.


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