Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 18813 posts, RR: 54 Posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4678 times:
I realise that CO operates a non-stop service from EWR to DEL using the 772 and that AI flies from both JFK and EWR to India via Europe, but how much potential do you think there is for non-stop flights from NYC to India?
Which routes do you think would warrant non-stop service based primarily on O&D traffic? In my opinion, DEL, BOM, AMD (40% of Indians living in the NY area come from Gujarat, the largest city of which being AMD) and BLR (possibly - a lot of people fly USA-BLR via Europe). I am not too sure about some other cities, such as MAA and ATQ.
What about other cities in India as one-stop flights, like HYD?
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MrNiji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4631 times:
Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter): but how much potential do you think there is for non-stop flights from NYC to India?
Good question
This is completely out of intuition: I think that the nonstops won't be successful at all.No surprise that AC has ceased its nonstop. Relatives of mine said it is insane to be 15 hrs + in a plane. And medical surveys, as a pilot told me, indicate that effects on the body are not favoring.Even a short halt on ground can do miracles here.
But I might be wrong. However, I would only rate them as potentially successful if "amenities" are in suurplus.. something only hard fledged business travellers could afford
707437 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 152 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4600 times:
If you can sell enough Business class seats then perhaps you can make it profitable. 15 hrs in Biz is no problem at all. . . So fill up Biz and then let people suffer in coach and if it makes money keep on flying.
I'm guessing that the Biz class fares are what will make the route viable. . . True or False?
Yegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1678 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4578 times:
AC is doing extremely well on its YYZ-HKG flights. ALmost everyday, J class is full.
I don't think that the DEL flights have been this successful. But then again, can't compare YYZ to NYC.
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4489 times:
Quoting MrNiji (Reply 1): Relatives of mine said it is insane to be 15 hrs + in a plane. And medical surveys, as a pilot told me, indicate that effects on the body are not favoring.Even a short halt on ground can do miracles here.
Actually, CO's flights to Delhi are doing very well, as are AA's.
The NY market to India is huge, unlike Toronto. Also, contrary to Toronto, which provides mostly low yield traffic to India, the US provides a great deal of high yield traffic.
Furthermore, the one-stop services to India via Europe seem to be more taxing than a nonstop. You leave the East coast of the US in the evening, only to be woken up at 1 am, EST, for a lousy breakfast a landing, and 2 hours or more in transit (if you're on AI, you're basically stuck on the aircraft for those 2 hours), and then its another 8+ hours to India.
If you had a nonstop that left in the evening, you could actually get a full night's rest (as much as is possible in a Y Class seat). I've done NY-Tokyo nonstops that are about 13 hours and I slept through most of those flights.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4451 times:
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 4):
Actually, CO's flights to Delhi are doing very well, as are AA's.
you mean an AA connecting stop? AA's ORD-DEL flight doesn't start until a couple of weeks from now....
I'm curious to see how it will do....I would have thought AA had a better chance flying JFK-DEL......the desi population in the NYC area is HUGE!
.but there are enough desis in Chicago....however, they aren't putting enough ads out to promote the flight...for example, they should have a huge billboard somewhere on Devon Ave. (in Chicago) advertising their new flight. Even though many of the rich Indians don't live in the Devon Ave. area, they still go there for shopping......and that would certainly attract some interest.....not to mention, there are probably enough residents in the Devon Ave. area to fill those 777's up (Y-class at least)!
Hopefully I'll be taking that ORD-DEL flight sometime next year..
Delta4eva From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4337 times:
BHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1283 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4281 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6): Hopefully I'll be taking that ORD-DEL flight sometime next year..
I was hoping to non-rev on this flight as a D3 and be home for Xmas. However, flight connection times from KWI to DEL are absolute crap. Plus you have to have a visa even if you transit the airport. Costs 65 bucks or so, was not worth the hassle, not right now anyway.
Maybe I can give it a go sometime in the spring. I would not mind spending 15+ hours in an AA Flagship Suite...
Delta4eva From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3945 times:
Quoting Karan69 (Reply 9): The routes which i mentioned are possible one stops just as the trend of this thread is to discuss POSSIBLE routes
My bad, I misread it! Then I'd add a possible JFK-CDG-AMD to the list.
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3809 times:
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6): you mean an AA connecting stop? AA's ORD-DEL flight doesn't start until a couple of weeks from now....
I'm curious to see how it will do....I would have thought AA had a better chance flying JFK-DEL......the desi population in the NYC area is HUGE!
.but there are enough desis in Chicago
I've heard that those flights are selling out.
Also, AA doesn't need to cater strictly to the ORD area desis. ORD is a North American hub, and they'll have plenty of connecting traffic through ORD.
Cslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 811 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3727 times:
The success of any longhaul/ultra-longhaul route between India and the US/Canada is the restriction of aircraft range. AC pioneered the North America to India nonstops with their A343/A345 service. During the test period AC realized that any airline flying the route would need rights to overfly Russia. [Initially, the Russian Gov't seemed hesitant to give any Canadian airline overfly rights to India as it may harm Aeroflot's North America-India connection business.] AC also realized that their A343 planes were payload limited on some days. The lead to AC placed an embargo on employee pass travel to DEL. AC solved this payload problem by flying the route one winter with the A345.
Between now and the end of 2010, I doubt that any US based carrier will receive delivery of any ultra-longhaul aircraft, enabling attractive operations to India. Until then the only nontops we will see are route between Northern US gateways (BOS, NYC, DTW, CHI and SEA) and Northern Indian gateways (DEL, ATQ and AMD*) *from US east coast only
Think of these routes
DEL-EWR/JFK
DEL-DTW
DEL-ORD
DEL-SEA
ATQ-EWR/JFK
ATQ-DTW
ATQ-ORD
ATQ-SEA
AMD-EWR/JFK
TKMCE From India, joined May 2002, 841 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3711 times:
HYd can support a non stop to EWR or ORD. While the traffic to UK/Europe is increasing, there are far more telugu people settled in the NYC or CHI areas.Will not be surprised if AI starts the route once they get their 777d.
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