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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5157 times:

I was watching the BBC1 news yesterday and they were talking about how Ryanair do well in transporting people around Europe for nearly nothing. They also mentioned the possibility of longhaul, but if Aer Lingus do well on Longhaul routes with very low fares why cant Ryanair or could they?
Your thoughts?

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User currently offlineTheSorcerer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 1048 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5150 times:

Oh dear, I don't particularly enjoy flying FR from ABZ-DUB(50 minute flight)(well I do enjoy it if it's a 732), I'd hate to fly with FR over the pond.
What A/C would they probably purchase if they were to do this?

The Sorcerer



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User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5112 times:

Couldn't they use a B738 if they are flying to New York?

Thanks
Mike


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6373 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5102 times:

I would never fly them to New York on 737-800 maybe a 767.

User currently offlineGofly From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 1727 posts, RR: 38
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5089 times:
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Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 2):
Couldn't they use a B738 if they are flying to New York?

I highly doubt it.  Smile

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User currently offlineTheSorcerer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 1048 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5014 times:

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 2):
Couldn't they use a B738 if they are flying to New York?

Not if the A/C was in high density config, like all FRs 738s are.

The Sorcerer



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User currently offlineAdriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 527 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4986 times:

This has been discussed alot. Ryanair are never ever ever going to fly longhaul.
They have a strict 737-800 policy and therefor won't being being any longhaul aircraft. Ryanair, like Easyjet, are very open about the fact that 3 and a half hours is about the upper limit for a LCC flight. If Ryanair was to fly longhaul they probably wouldn't be any cheaper than existing translalantic carriers due to the complexity of scheduling, fuelling and staffing those long journeys.
No longhaul for Ryanair.


User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4923 times:

RyanAir won't do long haul.
It's a totally different market.
1-They will need catering, and you can't really ask passengers to pay for food on a 8 hour flight can you ?
2- They would have to use a bigger aircraft , a 757-200ER for example
3-They will need more legroom, and window blinds
4- They will have to have a bigger hold luggage allowance
5- They will need some sort of IFE
6- They will need to operate a some what major airport, that isn't in the middle of no-where..
7-They will have to have more flight and cabin crew, because of lay overs
8- I doubt the American Government will be too happy about having FR flying to their country/ airports
9- They won't be able to sell tickets for cheap fares such as £1
10-They'll face heavy compotition form the likes of BA, VS, UA, AA, form LHR and US, CO,BD etc from MAN and LGW
11- They would need more than 1 economy class, at least 2 classes ( a higher level class and an economy class).
12- They'll need something good to attract passengers form LHR/LGW/MAN operators.

Cheers
Wrighbrothers  Smile



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User currently offlineTOMfly From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4896 times:

Actually, I beg to differ. As a passenger I wouldnt mind the following if it was a cheap fare:

1 Id take my own food, or buy on board, if I do it on a flight to Spain then I dont mind doing it on a flight to the US.
2 Jet2 operate a 757, if an LCC was serious about doing it then they would lease 1
3 Legroom I agree with, but it wouldnt be a 738. 757s are used by TOM, and FCA on long haul routes to egypt
4 Agreed, more hold allowance - but it would be a different operation to the EU routes
5 You could have IFE that you pay for, another frill - if you just want the cheap seat then thats what u get, if u want more, pay for it.
6 Stansted, Luton, Nottingham, Bristol - any LCC airport could be used. And why not use JFK, jetBlue use it. If not, what about the possibility of a smaller regional airport being converted to support transatlantic flights like Islip Long Island for NYC.
7 If it was a daily flight, crew could stay for one night, minimising cost. You would need 5 cabin crew on a 757.
8 USA mite be happy on having FR or U2 landing there
9 How about cheap tickets for around £89.99 one way inc tax???
10 FR have always had competition
11 why would you need 2 classes - theres no need
12 FR had heacy competition on the DUB LON route, but now are the biggest operater

So why wouldnt it work - I think that the ideas of maxjet are wrong, for a traveller like myself. I believe that flights would leave full everyday.

If the price is right - anyone would fly, thats already been proved!



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User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 796 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4872 times:

Well, recently MOL stated in an interview that longhaul would be a "natural/logic" extension to FR´s activities.
So, the Q is if they can do it with the B738...
At the moment the range of the B 738 (even with winglets) is not sufficient for a non-stop from europe except probably SNN-ISL (Islip - on Long Island north of NYC where also WN operates into to serve the NYC-market)
Not to forget the ETOPS resrtictions...
Only the B 73G (737-700) can go without payload restriction over the pond from continental Europe.

As MOL always has "radical" ideas to cut expenses i can quite well imagine the possibility of transatlantic service by FR!
And despite the unwillingness of many passengers (and some members of this forum) to be cramped in a high density 737-800 for 7-8 hrs finally the ticketprice will drive demand as on all other routes that FR operates. I am quite confident that it will happen that way. Remember that WN successfully flies non-stop BWI-OAK for some time already and the difference in flyingtime to a transatlantic is rather marginal.
Which proves that the market will accept a B738 on such a route if the pricetag is low enough...(e.g. 99,-US$ ow transcont isn´t bad at all...)



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User currently offlineGofly From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 1727 posts, RR: 38
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4851 times:
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Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
8- I doubt the American Government will be too happy about having FR flying to their country/ airports

Why?  Smile

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
6- They will need to operate a some what major airport, that isn't in the middle of no-where..

Why?  Smile

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
5- They will need some sort of IFE

LH don't have IFE in most of their long haul aircraft, so FR wouldn't be alone, should it choose not to provide it.

Should Ryanair go into long haul (Unlikely at the moment, but....) their product would have to be adjusted slightly. However, as stated above, if the price was right you'd probably be surprised how much people would sacrifice.

-Gofly  Smile



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19259 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4845 times:

Ryanair almost certainly won't fly long-haul, but:

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
They will need catering, and you can't really ask passengers to pay for food on a 8 hour flight can you ?

Why not? Happens all the time on trains, in cars and on coaches/buses. Why is flying different? Because, again, of the perception.

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
They will need more legroom, and window blinds

Not necessarily. It's all about value-for-money. If you could fly to, say, India for a fiver return you wouldn't care about a couple of inches.

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
They will have to have a bigger hold luggage allowance

I think people should pay X for whatever they're taking, so if you don't have any check-in luggage, you don't pay for it, whereas if you have 50 KGs, you pay for that. Fairer to all.

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
They will need some sort of IFE

You don't normally get any entertainment on buses/cars, in cars and on most trains, so what's the issue with flying? It's perception again. People should have the option to pay for IFE. If one person doesn't want to watch the TV, then they don't need to pay for it. If another does, then they can pay for it. Simple. The same with food and drink. Pay for what you want. Don't pay if you don't want it.

If you offer great products at great prices, so the value element will be fantastic, people will always buy it and several times.

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
They will need to operate a some what major airport, that isn't in the middle of no-where..

So long as there is a suitable airport (in terms of location, facilities, etc.) and a deal can be struck, then I don't see why this need be a problem.

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
They would need more than 1 economy class, at least 2 classes ( a higher level class and an economy class).

Why???!

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 7):
They'll need something good to attract passengers form LHR/LGW/MAN operators.

Yep: unbeatable value-for-money. The cheapest fares and the best punctuality; safety; frequency; and reliability. What a perfect combination.

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People are stuck in a mindset when discussing aviation, which is different when talking about other forms of transportation. Flying is, like it or not, merely another form of transportation - like taking a coach, driving or taking the train. If you want it to be fantastically special, then fly business or first. But if you want to merely get from one place to another as cheaply as possible... It's all about value-for-money and customer perception.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4808 times:

The point in the business model of the LCCs is that on shorthaul flights the direct and unavoidable operation costs are only a relatively small part of the overall costs. A lot of money goes into many kinds of services: booking, airport fees, onboard service, ground service etc. For that, LCCs cut all these costs down by offering no service, flying to remote airports, booking at the internet only, etc. On longhaul, costs like aircraft purchase/leasing, fuel, mx, pilot wages etc. are the lion's share of overall costs, and the LCC business model can't cut costs here.

A350



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25693 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4797 times:
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Quoting A350 (Reply 12):
LCCs cut all these costs down by offering no service, flying to remote airports, booking at the internet only, etc.

Wow, that's a generalization.

It might be true of some LCC's - especially in Europe - but it isn't true of them all.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineJetMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4772 times:

Quoting TOMfly (Reply 8):
USA mite be happy on having FR or U2 landing there

Only if they are willing to pay landing fees and charges and don't ask for subsidies...

Quoting TOMfly (Reply 8):
If the price is right - anyone would fly, thats already been proved!

If the price is right, human beings would do anything...

Quoting MHG (Reply 9):
Remember that WN successfully flies non-stop BWI-OAK for some time already and the difference in flyingtime to a transatlantic is rather marginal.

You forgot to mention WN's seat pitch is very comfortable, unlike FR's or most other non-US LCC's.

Quoting MHG (Reply 9):
e.g. 99,-US$ ow transcont isn�t bad at all...)

Condor already offers such deals.

Quoting Gofly (Reply 10):
LH don't have IFE in most of their long haul aircraft

Wrong. They have IFE, but no PTVs.

Quoting Gofly (Reply 10):
Should Ryanair go into long haul (Unlikely at the moment, but....) their product would have to be adjusted slightly.

Yes - they should also charge for using lavatories. Would bring them a lot of money on longhaul flights. Or dirty and smelly cabins of course...  melting 

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):

Why not? Happens all the time on trains, in cars and on coaches/buses. Why is flying different?

Because food and drinks on trains are usually cheaper than aboard FR, and apart from that not many train journeys go for eight hours or more nonstop. Plus you get more legroom on trains usually.
When going in car, one can stop. When did you drive for eight hours nonstop last time? Busses also stop regularly. And dry air (which requires to drink regularly) is something you usually find in aircraft cabins, not in trains, busses or cars.

So there is a difference, though you don't want to realize it.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
You don't normally get any entertainment on buses/cars, in cars and on most trains, so what's the issue with flying? It's perception again. People should have the option to pay for IFE. If one person doesn't want to watch the TV, then they don't need to pay for it. If another does, then they can pay for it. Simple. The same with food and drink. Pay for what you want. Don't pay if you don't want it.

Sure, let's pay for anything extra. In the end - if we had FR's model on longhaul flights - one would pay more for a journey than taking a regular flight with all services included. But people would only notice the ticket price in the first moment and forget about all extra costs...well, until they are on the trip.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
The cheapest fares and the best punctuality; safety; frequency; and reliability.

Yes, reliability - like flights being canceled with pax stranded for several days without alternatives being offered. Very reliable.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 11):
If you want it to be fantastically special, then fly business or first.

Or Economy, if you choose the right carrier.


Regards,
JM


User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4750 times:

Laker did it and did well until BA/VS killed them


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User currently offlineJetMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4739 times:

Quoting Malaysia (Reply 15):
Laker did it and did well until BA/VS killed them

Totally wrong. Laker Airways went bankrupt in 1982 while VS took off in 1984. Actually Laker even inspired Richard Branson to start his airline.


Regards,
JM


User currently offlineGofly From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 1727 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4733 times:
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Quoting JetMaster (Reply 14):
Wrong. They have IFE, but no PTVs.

Sorry, my mistake.  Smile

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User currently offlineCodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4724 times:

Interesting idea.
1) Landing rights in the US and destinations.
2) Aircraft.
3) Price.
4) Frequency.



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19259 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4674 times:

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 14):
Yes, reliability

Yep. FR exceedingly rarely cancels any of its flights.

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 14):
When going in car, one can stop. When did you drive for eight hours nonstop last time? Busses also stop regularly.

Yes. You buy stuff you want. If you don't want it, you don't buy it. If I am travelling with Virgin Trains, where no food is included in the price unless in first, I will buy food if I want it and not if I don't. Simple. The same simple concept should apply in the air - but also with entertainment (like on Virgin Trains, where you buy headphones, etc., to listen to the music system), baggage, etc.

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 14):
Sure, let's pay for anything extra.

Yep. That way those who want stuff pay for it, and those that don't, don't pay for it. The best and fairest way for all. The only things everyone should have is a seat and the necessary security stuff, etc. Other than all, all should pay for what they want, so they have more of a tailor-made flight rather than same-for-all.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineJetMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4618 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 19):
Yep. FR exceedingly rarely cancels any of its flights.

But it happens and those pax have a big problem then...reliability also means a service must be reliable when trouble occurs.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 19):
You buy stuff you want. If you don't want it, you don't buy it. If I am travelling with Virgin Trains, where no food is included in the price unless in first, I will buy food if I want it and not if I don't. Simple.

Simple and expensive, in FR's case. LCCs like germanwings or Virgin Blue charge charge reasonable prices, FR is a rip-off. And it would be an even worse rip-off on longhauls where pax are much more likely to demand food and drinks.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 19):
The only things everyone should have is a seat and the necessary security stuff, etc. Other than all, all should pay for what they want, so they have more of a tailor-made flight rather than same-for-all.

"Tailor-made" flight on FR - with non-existent legroom, seats not reclining, no window blinds, rip-off prices for catering items and IFE - a heaven for travelers on eight hours or more...  sarcastic 


Those who enjoy to torture themselves for hours and take the risk of being stranded at an Indian regional airfield should be free to do so - but FR's longhaul entry would result in overall service levels on similar routes and in those markets decreasing massively. And that would be the real problem.


Regards,
JM


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19259 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4601 times:

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 20):
LCCs like germanwings or Virgin Blue charge charge reasonable prices, FR is a rip-off.

Shame U2 charges the same - and in some cases, like tea, even more.

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 20):
with non-existent legroom

I believe FR's pitch is equal to, or better than, U2's.

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 20):
Those who enjoy to torture themselves for hours and take the risk of being stranded at an Indian regional airfield should be free to do so - but FR's longhaul entry would result in overall service levels on similar routes and in those markets decreasing massively. And that would be the real problem.

And who, precisely, has said that FR will be beginning long-haul flights? They won't be happening. So why the discussion???!



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineJetMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4596 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 21):
Shame U2 charges the same - and in some cases, like tea, even more.



Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 21):
I believe FR's pitch is equal to, or better than, U2's.

I did not say U2 would do any better...

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 21):
And who, precisely, has said that FR will be beginning long-haul flights? They won't be happening. So why the discussion???!

Nobody said. But I pointed out what it probably would mean if they did - because certain people seem to be longing for it while ignoring the consequences...


Regards,
JM


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19259 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4581 times:

Quoting JetMaster (Reply 22):
But I pointed out what it probably would mean if they did - because certain people seem to be longing for it while ignoring the consequences...

LMAO. Nonsense. If I could get a £5 return deal to India, I'd happily accept FR or whatever - even on an eight-hour flight. But that's just me.   Sure, some people will be willing to pay more for more comfort, IFE, food/drink/etc., but...

[Edited 2005-10-30 21:15:20]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineJetMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4550 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 23):
LMAO. Nonsense. If I could get a �5 return deal to India, I'd happily accept FR or whatever - even on an eight-hour flight. But that's just me.

That's it exactly. Many people would do whatever if the price is low enough - it's not just you. And a low-standard LCC like FR gaining market share would most likely result in overall service levels to decrease...


Regards,
JM


25 Post contains images Wrighbrothers : But a 8 hour flight across the Atlantic is different from your average 1 hour flight to Spain Because you can get off at the next stop/ service stati
26 Pe@rson : LOL. Not at all. You can buy whatever you want onboard the aircraft or bring your own. Wow. So difficult. Shame that you, with so much "sence," can't
27 Post contains images Wrighbrothers : Ummm. I spelt that right, shame you can't read. And you can do that on a car journey. Wrighbrothers
28 Post contains images Gofly : Don't go there.......... You've obviously never been in an FR argument with Pe@rson before... -Gofly
29 Pe@rson : Replace 'c' with 's' and, yes, it'll be right. Yes, precisely.
30 Post contains images JetMaster : Why am I not surprised someone distracts from the subject for something insignificant such as a typo... Well said... Regards, JM
31 WAH64D : What sort of aircraft do you fly on? The last time I went to Spain, it took a good bit longer than 1 hour! Ah, it must be one of these............. W
32 Post contains images Wrighbrothers : Nope I swear to GOD , I spelt sence right. Wrighbrothers
33 Post contains links and images Gofly : Sense. Like Common Sense: http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Common+Sense&meta= -Gofly
34 Pe@rson : Because Mr. Clever thinks he has senSe - and that his argument made senSe - yet he can't even spell the word. Ironic, yes, and very funny. And, besid
35 JetMaster : But you did take part in the discussion first, and after some interesting (negative) aspects were thrown in you decided to distract from the subject
36 Post contains images Wrighbrothers : Ahhhhhhh, I got confused because.. Yes yes. I admit I was wrong, I'm sorry, I was wrong,take it all back I don't, I guess you like them. I too can la
37 Jmc757 : Why more leg room? The charter airlines have been flying long haul since the 1990's with the same, if not less leg room than Ryanair. Again, the char
38 Pe@rson : LOL. Whatever... You should, by now, realise that the pros and cons of FR come up at least thrice-weekly, so repeating them becomes rather predictabl
39 Post contains links JetMaster : Yes it does exist. http://www.757.org.uk/phist/ Regards, JM
40 Post contains images Gofly : Wrightbrothers, Don't worry about it. Nothing on here should be taken too seriously! Take care, -Gofly
41 Post contains images Wrighbrothers : Good, I don't like holding grudges ( is that spelt right ) or leaving a situation unhappy,depending on what you believe, you've only got one shot at
42 Pe@rson : Indeed. It is, after all, merely a website. Hell, if you worry or get angry or whatever about things said herein, there really is no hope on the outs
43 Wrighbrothers : Friends Pe@rson ?
44 Post contains images Pe@rson : LOL. I'd happily have a drink with JetMaster or anyone. Also, I was just teasing you about the spelling - so don't worry. Next time, if there is one,
45 Post contains images Wrighbrothers : Well.....   Good, well, not but ,ahhh you know what I mean Cheers Wrighbrothers P.S-Pe@rson, i'd take you up on the drink but it's illegal, dam laws
46 Post contains images Pe@rson : Fair enough. But I'll tell you what: you buy my supply of alcohol and I'll forget all about the wee fact that you're underage.
47 WAH64D : No sir it does not exist. B767-200 ER exists. There is no such aircraft as a B757-200 ER From the website you directed me to: Although not a true "Ex
48 Post contains links JetMaster : Yes, there is. It just depends on your point of view. Explains it quite well, doesn't it? Even jp airline fleets, Flight International or the NTSB us
49 Post contains links BoeingFever777 : That's what ppl said of SWA and a few months ago when Herb was telling Boeing employees that flying Intl was not high on there to-do-list yet. It wil
50 Manni : For 300 to 350 euros you can get yourself a ticket from Europe to the US on a comfortable widebody aircraft (unless you choose to fly CO on certain ro
51 Simpilicity : Guys you're missing the point. Good widebodies are cheap to charter & there are going to be a lot more with all the chapter 11's. The Ryanair's of thi
52 RootsAir : Air Madrid does that! damn,,,thought there would be good competition for IB in south America in order to increase better service masny charter airlin
53 Jush : While i kinda doubt it i hope it'll never happen. It isn't a pleasure to fly them anyway but further and longer than 1 or 2 hours? No damn way. Regard
54 L410Turbolet : C-17?
55 TOMfly : The point is it should happen - so more competition and choice is put into the market! If you dont want to fly low cost to america then dont do it, bu
56 ME AVN FAN : yes, they would fly to NiagaraFalls = New York North, to Shreveport = Dallas East, to Augusta = Boston North, to Curitiba = Sao Paulo South and to Hi
57 Post contains images Joost : I see my opinion differs from many out here I think it is possible. But when thinking about a Ryanair product long-haul, I don't think one shoudl assu
58 JetMaster : That "product" would be quite similar. One uncomfortable seat with little legroom, that's it. Food would be just one aspect for extra charges. And yo
59 EI747SYDNEY : Guys, The last thing we all need is FR operations to the States and beyond. There are already a number of excellent services and can you imagine M O l
60 Post contains images Joost : First of all, thank you for taking your time to seriously answer! You mean: they can ask what they want, as customers do not have a choice anyways? W
61 Wrighbrothers : The option without food is cheaper by $20. But, you would pay per item, while on a flight with the food included, you can have asmuch as you want, fo
62 EI747SYDNEY : I understand your point but it's the service levels and the whole thing about FR being tight. When I was in college I got a part time job with FR at
63 Post contains images Joost : I know But the point I tried to make was actually the opposite. Not everybody who travels from LHR now needs to go to central London, and not everybo
64 IDAWA : The point-to-point nature of any LCC service badly clashes with the limited range of the planes they currently use. A 738 that is barely able to make
65 OKPAU : Actually next summer globespan will start Glasgow-Orlando Sanford service ... interesting they use all your suggestions - three classes (no frills, ec
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13 New Route Maps: Ryanair Parade; Modified NZ posted Mon Nov 6 2006 05:19:03 by Jimyvr
Aer Lingus Rejects Ryanair Takeover Bid posted Fri Nov 3 2006 22:07:36 by Clickhappy
Another Ryanair Executive Joins US-Start Up Skybus posted Mon Oct 30 2006 10:38:58 by Vfw614
Ryanair Voted "Worst Airline" posted Thu Oct 26 2006 13:05:53 by ZBA320
Deauville Says "Non" To Ryanair posted Tue Oct 24 2006 16:41:26 by BuyantUkhaa