DistantHorizon From Portugal, joined Oct 2005, 224 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1250 times:
Hi everyone!
These are my first words on a.net, but I've been actually around for a long time now.
As we all know, almost everyone here have some special feeling for one manufacturer - usually Airbus or Boeing.
And, sometimes, I can not avoid feeling that, now and then, we all (me included) let our care for A or B obscures our love for aviation itself. That is specially clear, for instance, in the way some of us refers to some birds. And if the thread becomes what is usually called an A versus B war, it all becomes frequently too blur: many people takes a side as we do with a football team and winning seems suddenly more important than the game it self!
Is it simply human?
Should we restrain ourselves from taking sides that are not truly ours? Why in the hell should I defend Airbus because it is simply European, disgust Boeing because it's not? Or love or hate them for any other reason? Both have better and not so better planes, but they are too great manufacturers!
Why is it amusing to take part of those wars? (I admit some of them has been quite fascinating!). Is it healthy or, at least in some cases, a little bit sickening?
In other words, is our admiration for A or B a symptom of our love for aviation or, on the contrary, a sign that our passion is, quite frequently, a different one?
Aither From South Korea, joined Oct 2004, 789 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1231 times:
Well, Airbus being often unfairly criticized i feel sometime it is necessary to defend this great manufacturer which deserve its success as much as Boeing does. It does not mean i'm against Boeing or the U.S., on the contrary, but things must not be one sided.
Therefore being pro X does not mean being anti Y, it's just about making things more balanced.
DistantHorizon From Portugal, joined Oct 2005, 224 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1209 times:
OK Aither, but why do you think those unfair critics appear in the first place?
Is it all about colors and flags? Why is it so difficult to discuss the merits of the birds without taking sides?
DCrawley From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 371 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1189 times:
Yes, yes it does. What's tough about having a healthy debate about either manufacturer is that it always turns into a political and economics discussion with one-sided information coming from two sides..
Quoting DistantHorizon (Thread starter): Should we restrain ourselves from taking sides that are not truly ours?
I don't think so. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
I don't know.. frankly, I don't find it amusing. I think it's beating the dead horse and I'm surprised the corpse isn't just bones by now. I mean, even in life you run into so many people that know they are right and correct on everything they say and what they say is not an opinion, but a fact.. lol I can't stand those people. The funny thing is that it's easier for most people to say this kinda stuff through text-characters online than it is in real life.
Some debates, as long as they are on-topic and give valid points, are healthy. A v. B gets old/got old a long time ago.
Quoting Aither (Reply 1): Well, Airbus being often unfairly criticized i feel sometime it is necessary to defend this great manufacturer which deserve its success as much as Boeing does. It does not mean i'm against Boeing or the U.S., on the contrary, but things must not be one sided.
I think both companies have their critics and to say Airbus gets it more often is a one-sided view . That's your opinion of it (cause facts are backed up with hard numbers and evidence). I'm not trying to argue with you, as I think both companies produce some amazing aircraft, but I had to make my point as well. IMO A v. B gets old here because the same people contribute the same information and slander most of the time. But, they have the right to argue about it as they paid the membership fees. Hope everyone's day is well, go in peace!
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Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1167 times:
DistantHorizon....welcome to A.net
as you will read more posts, you will notice who the "bashers" are, and who are the people you should/might want to pay attention to.
I think when Widebodyphoto posts data, make sure you take a look at it, he provides some very good and informative charts..
anyway, me personally, I am not really going to debate The WhaleJet all to much as I was considered an A380 "basher"....oh well..
also, don't forget, some people have a vested interest in a manufacturer...for example...one might own a large amount of Boeing stock, so naturally they would like to see Boeing crush Airbus in sales!
finally, I love most planes but I do hate some planes by both manufacturers.
Gift4tbone From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 609 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1143 times:
I think you are right to a point. The flag does get in the way, and/or what the maker of their first aircraft was. For instance, for many years i prefered Boeing, end over end over Airbus. Now? I think they are both great. Do I still have a favorite airliner? yea, the 727. (never been on one tho). My first flight, and in fact several after were with WN. So naturally i was on the good 'ol 737. I prefered Boeing becuase of things that i've heard from the maintenence guy at WN. (he WAS head of mx, but now? i don't know, becuase he was kinda old, and i cant remember his name). He told me how Airbii were underpowered and overskinned. Well, after actually doing some research, and growing up a bit (no more, Mine is better than yours), and having flown an the A320 numberous times. I've changed my mind. Not in a sense that A is better than B. but in that i've come to realize that both are great manufacturers, and that different airlines have different needs. And they also look at who'll give them the better price. So now i don't criticize either company. I look forward to the day the A380 starts with SQ(did i remember the code correct?) and when the 787 takes its first flight.
Jamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1114 times:
Quoting Gift4tbone (Reply 6): I think you are right to a point. The flag does get in the way, and/or what the maker of their first aircraft was.
that is what i think the best way to describe this. we each favoura specific manufacturer and we often argue this to the point of sheer boredom. my personal favourite aircraft is the 757 which is the aircraft i hope to one day fly one of the reasons is because i prefer a yoke to a joystick but i could quite happily go along with an A330 or something similar
You cant have your cake and eat it... What the hells the point in having it then!!!
ETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1088 times:
Without getting into too much detail, the fact that most a.nutters here are American tells you that there is a blind shift towards B products, and the rate of bashing A is quite high. Also, there is the impression here that everything A is bad or "old technology", without knowing details of A's programs and reasonings behind its decisions to manufacture product X in a certain way. Nationalism takes precedence here over commercial, technical and other decisions that affect the production of an aircraft.
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. That's your opinion of it (cause facts are backed up with hard numbers and evidence). I'm not trying to argue with you, as I think both companies produce some amazing aircraft, but I had to make my point as well. IMO A v. B gets old here because the same people contribute the same information and slander most of the time. But, they have the right to argue about it as they paid the membership fees. Hope everyone's day is well, go in peace!
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