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User currently offlineEI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 701 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

Hi all,

Has anyone any background on EI-CJC? From what I have heard this aircraft has a very low service ceiling because it could break apart if it went any higher. Is this true or not?

Rob


''Live life on the edge, Live each and every day like it's your last, Hell you only live once''
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User currently offlineVS773ER From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 277 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

I really can't see that being true, surly if the airframe was that vunerable it wouldn't be in service at all!? I found on google it is mean to be retired around now anyhoo.

User currently offlineMika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2847 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

Sounds like someone got something very wrong, with other words that statement is complete bogus.

User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24899 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

Heard rumours that it was restricted to below FL190 due to the number of "skin" patches it has had, but not sure if its true.


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User currently offlineAerlingus330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

It sounds very unlikely that this is true...atleast I hope its not. I always thought if any problem which restricted the aircraft from performing correctly, it had to be fixed and the aircraft grounded in definitely.

AerLingus330



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User currently offlineEI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

Guy's Believe me I'm glad to hear this....


Rob



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User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
Heard rumours that it was restricted to below FL190 due to the number of "skin" patches it has had

Yes, that's true, if it goes above a certain hight, the patches will start to peel off.

Quoting Aerlingus330 (Reply 4):
It sounds very unlikely that this is true.

This is FR we're talking about here  Wink

Wrighbrothers



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User currently offlinePMN From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

There was a thread on here a good few months ago where someone mentioned an altitude restriction on CJC, (it was only a couple of days after I flew to DUB and back on the big yelow bird!) The general feeling was that such restrictions were nonsense, and the aircraft wouldn't be in service at all if the airframe couldn't be trusted at altitude.

Maybe there are some FR maintenance people on here who can elaborate?

Paul



Edith in his bed, a plane in the rain is humming, the wires in the walls are humming some song - some mysterious song
User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

Quoting PMN (Reply 7):
Maybe there are some FR maintenance people on here who can elaborate?

I don't think FR does its own maintenance, It's contracted out to a 3rd party

Wrighbrothers



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24899 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

Quoting PMN (Reply 7):
Maybe there are some FR maintenance people on here who can elaborate?

Doubtful, O'Leary probably bans them from using the Internet  Wink
Anyway, I also doubted the truth of the rumour, of course, on Ireland-UK runs you wouldn't need to get above FL190 much anyway.



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User currently offlineAerlingus330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2519 times:

Quoting PMN (Reply 7):
Maybe there are some FR maintenance people on here who can elaborate?

If it were true, wouldnt Ryanair keep it a secret?

AerLingus330



Aer Lingus Airbus A330-300
User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2389 times:


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Hasn't FR got a maintenance hangar at Prestwick? Some maintenance work is done at Southend for FR

Quoting EI747SYDNEY (Thread starter):
Has anyone any background on EI-CJC? From what I have heard this aircraft has a very low service ceiling because it could break apart if it went any higher. Is this true or not?

If this was true I don't think it would be in service, even though it is due to be retired anytime soon, and I don't think the IAA would approve it as 'OK to fly upto FL190'

Mark



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User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2729 posts, RR: 41
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2384 times:

It's true. Most of their 737-200's have altitude restrictions.

I know for a fact that EI-CJC and CJI are not certified to fly over FL190, due to the number of repairs the aircraft has had to it's skin.

The plane is still safe, don't get me wrong.

Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 11):
Hasn't FR got a maintenance hangar at Prestwick? Some maintenance work is done at Southend for FR

As Far as I know, Southend doesn't mantain FR's aircraft anymore.

Cheers,
Simon.

[Edited 2005-11-01 23:37:24]


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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 12):
I know for a fact that EI-CJC and CJI are not certified to fly over FL190, due to the number of repairs the aircraft has been done.

That is indeed through, limited to 19000ft.


User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

EI-CJI no longer in service?

Mark



Retrofitted Blended Winglets - The Future Is On The Wing
User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2729 posts, RR: 41
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

Quoting Jetset7E7 (Reply 14):
EI-CJI no longer in service?

Now flying for European Air Charter as G-FIGP.



Simon - London-Aviation.com
User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

When is the last FR 732 due to be retired ?

Cheers
Wrighbrothers



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User currently offlineEI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 12):
It's true. Most of their 737-200's have altitude restrictions.

Dear Jesus.....

Rob



''Live life on the edge, Live each and every day like it's your last, Hell you only live once''
User currently offlinePMN From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

Quoting Airplanepics (Reply 12):
It's true. Most of their 737-200's have altitude restrictions.



Quoting EI321 (Reply 13):
That is indeed through, limited to 19000ft.

I'm more than happy to be proved wrong on this, but I find it impossible to believe that commercial aircraft (FR or otherwise) would be allowed to fly if there were worries the thing might start falling apart above a certain altitude.

Can anyone who claims height restrictions are actually in place please state how they came by their knowledge? I've heard many rumors regarding altitude restrictions, but so far no-one has given any specific technical details as to EXACTLY what would happen if the aircraft were to exceed FL190, or indeed who informed them of such restrictions.

Airplanepics and EI321, where did you hear some of the 732's have height restrictions?

Like I say, I haven't ruled out the possibility I may be wrong on this, I'm just not convinced yet!

Paul



Edith in his bed, a plane in the rain is humming, the wires in the walls are humming some song - some mysterious song
User currently offlineWAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2181 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
Heard rumours that it was restricted to below FL190 due to the number of "skin" patches it has had, but not sure if its true.

Its definitely true. They can amend the airworthiness certificate to a maximum allowed altitude lower than the design altitude. All of FRs 732s had this restriction in place although most of them were certified to higher than FL190.

[Edited 2005-11-02 13:48:11]


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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 16):
When is the last FR 732 due to be retired ?

This week I think. Their last use on the BLK-DUB route is Friday, though they may last longer elsewhere.



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User currently offlineEI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 20):
This week I think. Their last use on the BLK-DUB route is Friday, though they may last longer elsewhere.

I'll have to get out to DUB between now and friday with the camcorder.

Rob



''Live life on the edge, Live each and every day like it's your last, Hell you only live once''
User currently offlinePMN From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 20):
This week I think.

Bugger...So my FR fright to DUB from LBA next Tuesday looks like it might be a 738? (I haven't been on the 738 yet, but they're not going to be extinct in the near future!)

Paul



Edith in his bed, a plane in the rain is humming, the wires in the walls are humming some song - some mysterious song
User currently offlineEI747SYDNEY From Ireland, joined Oct 2005, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2091 times:

Quoting PMN (Reply 22):
Bugger...So my FR fright to DUB from LBA next Tuesday looks like it might be a 738? (I haven't been on the 738 yet, but they're not going to be extinct in the near future!)

Certainly does. Hard Luck Mate

Rob



''Live life on the edge, Live each and every day like it's your last, Hell you only live once''
User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2729 posts, RR: 41
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

Quoting PMN (Reply 18):
Can anyone who claims height restrictions are actually in place please state how they came by their knowledge?

I worked on them.  Wink



Simon - London-Aviation.com
25 PMN : Did you work maintaining them? What problems would occur if the aircraft were to exceed FL190? I just can't grasp the concept of an airliner being 'h
26 Airplanepics : Yes, when they were in for mantainance once, I helped to give them a check. The aircraft are not 'half repaired' at all. As the aircraft has had lots
27 PMN : Hmm... If you've worked on aircraft that have altitude restrictions, fair enough. I'm not doubting what you're saying, I'd just like a little more in
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