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Deplaning Through The Cargo Hold  
User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1541 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

In the 12+ years working at a airport, I have never seen this until last night. A AC Jazz DH-8 here in PDX. They had a cattle ramp up to the rear cargo door, and people were deplaning the aircraft. The main forward passenger door was closed. A Horizon maintenance truck was at the front of the aircraft. So I guess the front door got jammed some how.

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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

Theres a door from the cabin to the cargo hold? Never knew that...


Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3000 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

Never seen that on a Dash 8, but it's not uncommon to deplane through the cargo hold on the Il-86!  Smile

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User currently offlineKhenleyDIA From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3767 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
Theres a door from the cabin to the cargo hold? Never knew that...

If it is anything like the EMB-120, it isn't a door, but the back wall can be taken out, with a bit of work.

KhenleyDIA



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User currently offlineContinentalFan From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

VC-25s (i.e. the 747's known as "Air Force One") have an exit in the belly. Precludes the need for external airstairs if you land at some out of the way airfield, I suppose.

User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1729 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3715 times:

All Boeing widebodies have an access hatch near the nose gear that provides access to a hatch in the maindeck floor via the e/e bay.

Tod


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 2003, 14058 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3666 times:

Many airlines have the hatch between the main deck and the E/E bay bolted shut though. It also exists on Airbusses and DC-10 and MD-11s. The DC-10 and MD-11 have a hatch from the forward E/E bay into the nose wheel well, but this way is not recomended for passengers, because you have to be fairly agile to climb from the cockpit into the E/E bay, then there around the main avionics rack and then finally through the closed nose wheel well and down the nose landing gear.

Jan


User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1729 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3619 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 6):
hatch from the forward E/E bay into the nose wheel well, but this way is not recomended for passengers,

Especially fun with a winter coat on.

Tod


User currently offlineTIMC From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3536 times:

Quoting Tod (Reply 5):
All Boeing widebodies have an access hatch near the nose gear that provides access to a hatch in the maindeck floor via the e/e bay.

Tod

I barely fit through that hatch...

Now, I'm not being nasty to our more horizontally challenged brethren, but they'd have a job getting out that way!

Plus claustrophobic people would be having kittens!


User currently offlineB747FE From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2004, 230 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
Theres a door from the cabin to the cargo hold? Never knew that...

If I recall correctly, DHC-8 has a Class B cargo compartment, so need sufficient access in flight to enable a member of the crew to effectively reach the compartment with a hand fire extinguisher.

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User currently offline320tech From Turks and Caicos Islands, joined May 2004, 491 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3398 times:

On the Dash-8's I've seen (mostly -100 series set up for less than 37 pax), there is a smallish door in the aft cabin bulkhead. The bulkhead is actually a two piece item. The lower half is about two feet high, and the door is only in the upper half. So you have to step over the lower bulkhead. A certain amount of agility is called for here.

Whether that Dash-8 is the same, I wouldn't want to guess.

If the Dash-8 has five across seating in the aft row, I suppose you could fold down the centre seat to gain access (ours had four seats in the aft row).

I wonder why they didn't take out the type 1 emergency exit that's opposite the main cabin door?



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

It could be done on the ATR 42/72 as well through the front cargo hold. I've never seen it done, and more than likely if there was an issue with the aft port door, they'd probably try to deplane via the aft starboard door (it's a little narrower, but all you'd need is a short stair step.

User currently offlineCVG2LGA From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3184 times:

Once a couple years ago I was working late at the security checkpoint and one of the NW mechanics came by and asked me if I would like to go with him when they pushed the plane back, it was a RON. Of course I said yes so we went up shut the door sat in the cockpit and the tug pushed us back. Then he opened a hatch just between the flightdeck and first and we went through it and into the avionics bay and exited out of a door on the right side of the aircraft. It was an Avro btw. So awesome. Just another of my many great experiences working at the airport.
Tchau
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User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3116 times:

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 2):
Never seen that on a Dash 8, but it's not uncommon to deplane through the cargo hold on the Il-86!

As I recall there's a coat check down there. Folks leave their coats and carryons there, then climb up into the main deck. Explains the lack of overheads in these photos as I understand:


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User currently offlineSupraZachAir From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Feb 2004, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3068 times:

Quoting 320tech (Reply 10):
If I recall correctly, DHC-8 has a Class B cargo compartment, so need sufficient access in flight to enable a member of the crew to effectively reach the compartment with a hand fire extinguisher.

You recall correctly.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 11):
On the Dash-8's I've seen (mostly -100 series set up for less than 37 pax), there is a smallish door in the aft cabin bulkhead. The bulkhead is actually a two piece item. The lower half is about two feet high, and the door is only in the upper half. So you have to step over the lower bulkhead. A certain amount of agility is called for here.

Whether that Dash-8 is the same, I wouldn't want to guess.

If the Dash-8 has five across seating in the aft row, I suppose you could fold down the centre seat to gain access (ours had four seats in the aft row).

I wonder why they didn't take out the type 1 emergency exit that's opposite the main cabin door?

QX Q200's have this, not the Q400's though. Opening the door used to be the best way to get airflow in the hot summer before we had a/c cooling carts.


User currently offlineJsposaune From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 292 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2944 times:

Wow...that's a new one! I have had to use that door on the DH-8 when the CARGO door is inop. A few times we've had to load checked bags through the cabin into the bin. I think I would have had to do a double take if I saw passengers coming out of the cargo bin!!

Just when you think you've seen it all, huh?...



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User currently offlineF27XXX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

When i was a F/A for Business Express, the first day we flew the F-27 into BOS it was an a/c subsititution for what was to be the our very first Shorts 360 flight. That aircraft, for whatever reason was not ready, so they swapped an F-27 for it. Only problem was that that BOS station had never gotten the Fokker before and had none of the portable stairs that we needed for boarding/deplaning (the Fokker version of the F-27 did not have an airstair door like the Fairchild version did). Here's the very plane this all happened on - note the cargo door behind the flight deck windows and the passenger door - - in the rear. The other is a pic of another plane, but with the type of push-up steps i'm referring to . . and note the cargo bin door open .... read on

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Our first arrival of the day from BDR was met with a makeshift set of steps they made from a small bag cart (!!) and a couple of wooden boxes with the idea that rampers would assist -literally hand-hold- the pax as they deplaned/boarded! This was fine till the third passenger (of 35!) off the plane was a little too heavy for that arrangement - and his foot went thru one of the wooden boxes - and fell literally on his ear off the cart as he lost his balance. (He was a company non-rev - not a passenger -and wasnt hurt, thankfully!). SO with our makeshift stairs shattered, we had to turn the pax around and march them back up thru the cabin and into the forward cargo bin/galley area and deplane them thru the cargo door which was closer to the ground than the rear passenger door was because of the upper sloping rear fuselage.
Only problem was that the cargo door was only waist high!

The looks on those poor passengers faces as they climbed outta that bin as if they were jumping down off a hayride were priceless. Most sat down on the sill of the door (you know with the grease and dirt and all) and slid/jumped down the couple of feet from there! Business travellers, mostly, and dressed in their business clothes, women in heels, OMG! Such a dignified experience!

But then, as there were no stairs still, we had to board the return flight in the same manner. Talk about embarassing!! I was so dreading our next rotation back into BOS that same day for fear of having to face that embarassing situation again - but fortunately they did some calling around after we left and upon our next arrival, they had borrowed a set from, i think, Brockway (Piedmont Commuter) - but they had only one set themselves, so of course it happened. On our third rotation of the day back into BOS, their F-27 was there at the same time as ours. So no stairs! Our captain absolutely forbade them to do the cargo-door shuffle again so we had to wait for their F-27 to leave, our rampers shot over to the other side of the airport and tugged the steps back to us and we were able to deplane. 30 minutes after we arrived. This was in July. Guess how cozy and warm it got (particularly with tempers flaring!) in that cabin as we waited. And waited! I thought I those pax were gonna slit my throat (of course the captain and FO were safe up in the flight deck behind a closed door LOL!)

The next day our 360 came online and it wasnt an issue any longer and by the time we started scheduled F-27 flights into BOS, we did have our own rolling stairs.

I do recall hearing it happen again on a charter we did with the Fokker to some small airport in upstate New York - but that was a sports charter and wasn't too big a deal for athletes to climb in and out!
Gotta love the old days! (well, the mid 80s, anyway!)

God, i just realized , maybe this should have been a Trip Report !

Tony

[Edited 2005-11-02 17:33:07]

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