Dellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2 Posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1424 times:
I´ve been searching on the web some flights out of HNL. I just notice that there isn´t a flight linking Hawaii to Europe. I think some airlines should start on looking more causiously on this destination.
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1324 times:
Well, not really. Continental's HNL-Newark flight departs Hawaii in the
late afternoon, arriving Newark mid-morning the following day. You
would have to spend a whole day at Newark to fly out to Europe. The
United schedule is slightly more convenient in that it allows for a
shorter connection time.
Also, flying from Europe through Newark to get to Honolulu is not all
that practical either. The EWR-HNL flight departs at 8:15am. Flights
from Europe start arriving around midday.
HawaiiB777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1297 times:
I think it would be a good idea because the non-stop intra-US flights to Hawaii (at least from Chicago, where I live) are always jam-packed. If a plane couldn't go non-stop, one could connect through Anchorage, Alaska or Los Angeles, California to refuel (United flight ### LHR-HNL with a stop in ANC). They could use it with a 777-200IGW
Plus, it would have great passenger feed, as Europe really doesn't have a "tropical island paradise" that I know of (I live in a suburb of Chicago, Illinois and United is my hometown airline, GO UA!!!!). All my images of Europe are that the weather is gloomy, cloudy, colder than average (at least northern Europe). And unless Europeans love cold weather (which no sane person does), Hawaii would be a great vacation destination, even though it is VERY far from Europe.
And I'm not saying that Europeans don't go to Hawaii. A few years back, we were in a restaurant on Maui, and there were people from Germany at the table opposite us.
Jet Setter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1282 times:
Use the search function, this topic was discussed a few days ago!
Basically any Europe-Hawaii direct flights in the past have failed due to lack of interest. Hawaii is a LONG way away from us and there are a lot of places closer to home we would rather visit.
Hawaii would be around 16 hours flying time from Europe and require a refuelling stop in Anchorage. Why bother when Florida, the Caribbean, South America, the Canaries, Africa, India, the Maldives and the Far East are all within nonstop range of Europe.
You may say why are there no Europe-Hawaii flights, a European would probably say same reason there are no USA-Maldives flights!!! It's too far and there would be too few First and Business class passengers to make it worthwhile
UALfa@jfk From United States of America, joined May 2000, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1257 times:
Jet Setter is right! I know if I were from Europe, why would I wanna fly all the way to over-touristed HNL, when the Canaries, Mauritius, the Seychelles, the Maldives, Ibiza, etc., etc., are in so much easier reach?
I personally, think Ko Samui, Phuket (both in Thailand), the Seychelles and the Maldives are among the most beautiful paradises in the world, much better than Hawaii. And just think... There are NO nonstops from the U.S. to any of those places!!! (although I really wish there were!!!)
Turbulence From Spain, joined Nov 1999, 963 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1241 times:
There's no direct Hawaii-Europe because it is too long. The longest non-stop from-to Europe is LAX, and a Hawaii one could be accomplished, not East nor west bounded, but right above the pole, which would be the shorter way, only by some kind of ER quad, since there's no possibility of ETOPs landing up there...
About the weather in Europe, southern Europe has more sun, higher temperatures and warmer baths than Hawaii, and no "surprise hawaiian showers". And for tropical islands, there's hundreds of destinations much more beautiful, near and cheap in the Caribbean Gulf and Indian Ocean, which find themselves at half the way. Maybe even Hawaiians could try some...
Avion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1236 times:
I only know that Hawaiian operated charters with the DC-8 from Zurich to Honolulu. But these flights are long gone.
Hawaii is just too far from Europe and we have also tropical islands within 6 hours flight in the EU. The canaries, mallorca or the acores are also very nice and have nothing short of Hawaii. You have tons of flight to the Baleares, the canaries or the aegan sea for mainland europe.
Turbulence From Spain, joined Nov 1999, 963 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1232 times:
To USA, OK?
Actually if we are talking about non-stop flights between Hawaii and Europe, with stopover or not within USA, we are excluding other destinations, so LAX is physically the furthest destination in USA from Europe, since Hawaii is not reachable.
Have you already understood, or is still too complicated for you?
Gerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 31
Reply 18, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1213 times:
Having flown myself twice from ZRH to HNL and OGG, I can only agree with Avion. There are many other tropical beauties at a nearer distance to ZRH and for sure with cheaper prices for drinks and meals but that's another story.
Swissair has promoted last year US destinations, amongst them also Honolulu via LAX (LAX-HNL operated by DL at this time).
So, there is no need for European airlines to fly to HNL themself, as the respective alliance partners from the US can help there with their own networks.
Nowadays, you can fly ZRH-HNL or ZRH-OGG via LAX or SFO with SR and AA.
dominguez(dash)online(dot)ch ... Pushing the limits of my equipment
SR3496 From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1207 times:
I have been to Hawaii twice and I have to say that it is an extrem long journey! But I think that you can't compare the baleres or canaries with Hawaii. Have you ever seen such a huge wave on the coast of Ibiza!? I love being on the beaches on Maui and Oahu.
Teahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5294 posts, RR: 61
Reply 20, posted (14 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1201 times:
No Hawaii is so much nicer ! I was there last August. I agree it was a long jouney( well not that long really 12hours + 5 hours) via LAX but you cannot compare Hawaii to the Canaries. The culture is so much better and the people are much nicer! Where in the Canaries can you snorkel, snuba dive (not scuba dive)
I might go at the end of this month (I was definetly supposed to go but certain incidents which you can read in other topics this month could put that in jeoaprdy )
How about SR flying ZRH-LAX-HNL
Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004