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User currently offlineAloha73g From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2365 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4698 times:

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ap...=/20051101/BUSINESS/511010312/1071
http://starbulletin.com/2005/11/01/business/story01.html

Highlights:

Fares listed are round trip and range depending upon the class of flight.

Honolulu to Kahului: $86 to $171
Honolulu to Lihue: $86 to $171
Honolulu to Kona: $93 to $171
Honolulu to Hilo: $93 to $171

"Mesa's Hawai'i subsidiary, which has yet to be named, will target Hawai'i residents who want to fly between islands — rather than tourists — when it begins operations in the first few months of 2006, Ornstein said.

"Because we don't have any long-haul business to feed our flights, we're going to focus on the local Hawaiian passenger," he said. "We want the local folks."

Mesa will begin by flying eight 50-seat, Bombardier CRJ200 jet aircraft that are considered to be expensive and inefficient to operate by airline industry standards. But within 18 months, Ornstein hopes to upgrade to 90- or 100-seat Bombardier jets."

"Ornstein said he is undecided between two names for the new airline and wasn't ready to announce his choice yet.

"In talking to some of the people in the Hawaii travel industry, one of the things that came to us loud and clear was that we shouldn't use a Hawaiian name," Ornstein said. "They said it has too many connotations from other carriers that have failed. They encouraged us to look at names that express what we're trying to do -- which is to provide low cost, high-frequency service -- and to tie it into Hawaii but not directly."


Interesting....

I think Aloha and Hawaiian are going to fight hard and eventually win. Aloha has already changed its HNL-OGG/LIH-HNL flight schedule so that they leave at least hourly on the hour (starting today). Seeing as Mesa wants to go after the local traffic, I think people are going to band around the local carriers (AQ, HA and WP).

Let the fun begin!!

Aloha!


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User currently offlineL104me From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4650 times:

With the range of the CRJ's being around 1500 miles, and Hawaii being about 2500 miles from the West Coast, how will the planes get there?

What type of route will they fly so they be able to make the trip?

I know when Hawaiian flew their new 717's they had to install some type of temporary fuel tanks to make the trip.

Does anyone know?

Just curious!


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4640 times:

This carrier will last maybe a year--this is reminiscent of their foray into Fort Worth Meacam airport. The operating cost of the RJ will eat them alive.


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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4075 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4600 times:

Quoting L104me (Reply 1):
I know when Hawaiian flew their new 717's they had to install some type of temporary fuel tanks to make the trip.

Does anyone know?

That's one possibility right there. There have also been instances of partially-assembled aircraft being ferried inside larger cargo planes, and even on ships.


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4591 times:

More than likely they will be fitted with fuel tanks in the cabin to make the trip. This is the most bonehead startup idea this year.


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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 844 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4478 times:
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I think if you do a search on the photo database you can find shots of the temporary fuel tanks strapped to the floor in the passenger compartment.


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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 844 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4467 times:
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Found the pic:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/175720/M/



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17661 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4450 times:

How is the local market for HA and AQ? Do those inter island flights make money?


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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 844 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4430 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7):
How is the local market for HA and AQ? Do those inter island flights make money?

Based on the loads of the flights I have taken inter-island, I cant imagine that they are profitable on these routes.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17661 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4417 times:

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 8):
Based on the loads of the flights I have taken inter-island, I cant imagine that they are profitable on these routes.

Most of them are in the mid 70s to mid 80s year round but I don't know if the yields are any good. I imagine they're a bit like the Northeast shuttle operations which are reasonably full but lose money.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4383 times:

Quoting L104me (Reply 1):
With the range of the CRJ's being around 1500 miles, and Hawaii being about 2500 miles from the West Coast, how will the planes get there?

Keep in mind those numbers are normally figured at max passenger load. These will be flying with no passengers, so the range is greatly increased. There is also a good chance they'll get tanked.



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User currently offlineAloha73g From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4328 times:

As for profitability, both AQ and HA have been marginally profitable on interisland flights over the past year or two. AQ has posted 7 or 8 consecutive months of operating profits and HA has been doing reasonably well also.

They will NOT be undercut...the fares will be matched, as they have been for all previous competitors. I will also expect alot of advertising emphasing AQ and HA's....and WP's....local roots and longstanding relationships with the people of Hawai'i.

Loyalty/Local-ness will win out most likely and Mesa will have to close up, especially since Mesa is going after locals and not tourists.

That's my guess.

Aloha!



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User currently offlineLUVRSW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4262 times:

How did they get those tanks in there? Does the tail or nose open up?

User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4246 times:

Quoting LUVRSW (Reply 12):
How did they get those tanks in there? Does the tail or nose open up?

These are fuel bladders..... not ridged at all.....



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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3663 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4182 times:
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Quoting Lono (Reply 13):
Quoting LUVRSW (Reply 12):
How did they get those tanks in there? Does the tail or nose open up?

These are fuel bladders..... not ridged at all.....

They are metal (steel) tanks, not bladders. I've personally seen and touched them at HA's maintenance hanger. They are not that wide and can fit through the door.


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4165 times:

Interesting that no one has mentioned cargo capacity in any of these discussions. The cargo capacity of the small jets is pretty sad, and I don't think too many people are going to be happy when told their luggage will be delayed because it can't fit on the plane.

That being said, there's a lot of loyalty to the "hometown" airlines - AQ and HA, whatever their faults, are Hawai'ian airlines, and Mesa is not.

Final thought: On days where there's no trade wind blowing (and I have been in Hawai'i on days like this!), what is take-off capacity of the CRJ's going to be like?



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User currently offlinePhoenixX2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4061 times:

Just some thoughts.

Quoting Aloha73g (Thread starter):
I think Aloha and Hawaiian are going to fight hard and eventually win.

MESA is well diversified in the domestic Mainland market. They will make money on the Mainland to keep this operation going, even if it is losing money. HA and AQ don't have that ability. I really can't agree on this statement. I think Lorenzo Jr. or I mean Ornstein made mention to this.

Quoting Aloha73g (Reply 11):
Loyalty/Local-ness will win out most likely and Mesa will have to close up, especially since Mesa is going after locals and not tourists.

Can you say "Smoke Screen". Hawaii is the hottest tourist destination right now. I find it interesting that US (hp) is starting service on 16Dec to HNL and OGG. They start LIH and KOA in Apr06. With the known working relationship with MESA, I just find that interesting that the start time (MESAs) is about the same. Just remember that they could join the Star Alliance and get enough conx activity from US, UA, AC (from the East) and Air New Zealand, ANA, Asiana and Singapore Air (from the West). Then... would they really need the locals. By then AQ will be gone, who knows about HA. The locals will then need them. I am just saying, this time they did their homework.

Rgds


User currently offlineFokkerf28 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4039 times:
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Quoting PhoenixX2 (Reply 16):
Can you say "Smoke Screen". Hawaii is the hottest tourist destination right now. I find it interesting that US (hp) is starting service on 16Dec to HNL and OGG. They start LIH and KOA in Apr06. With the known working relationship with MESA, I just find that interesting that the start time (MESAs) is about the same. Just remember that they could join the Star Alliance and get enough conx activity from US, UA, AC (from the East) and Air New Zealand, ANA, Asiana and Singapore Air (from the West). Then... would they really need the locals. By then AQ will be gone, who knows about HA. The locals will then need them. I am just saying, this time they did their homework.

I agree completely. Mesa have done there home work and utilizing the crj to break into the market will allow them to keep operating costs low. Remember AQ is still using inefficient 737-200 inter island. Watch out here comes Mesa!!


User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4009 times:

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 14):
They are metal (steel) tanks, not bladders. I've personally seen and touched them at HA's maintenance hanger. They are not that wide and can fit through the door.

Cool!... age speaking here the 737 I've seen go over were bladders that a company rented to airlines for this purpose.... probably still goes both ways..



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User currently offlineUA_727 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 215 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3974 times:

The skepticism regarding Mesa's move into the Hawaiian market makes me laugh. Is it a risk? Of course. Is it even more risky due to a lack of experience in this particular market? Absolutely. But seriously, we're talking about a consistently profitable carrier here, that is growing. What, pray tell, then do YOU think Mesa should be focusing on? Beefing up it's already saturated domestic physique? This is a change of scenery that no other continental US carrier has really ventured into (at least to the extent planned by Mesa). Mesa has grown by respecting and adhering to the axiom, "the greater the risk, the greater the return." Due to their relatively low operating costs, it has been a great business model for the airline.

As far as this notion of Hawaiian loyalty, well, I'm a bit indifferent. Maybe I could fathom this concept a little for the very start of Mesa's operations, but remember; Ornstein is beginning service with aircraft of only fifty seats. Even if loads on the other two main carriers have not been the best, it will not take too much to fill the planes up and make routes profitable, even if yields are low. After market penetration and a strong presence for the first year-and-a half, Ornstein will send out the -900's. Over time, I question the fortitude of this so-called "Hawaiian loyalty strong-hold." At this point, if the extra capacity of the -900, coupled with the operating efficiencies of the type, do not create consistent black numbers, then, perhaps the writing on the wall will begin, and the fate of this venture may be questionable. But even then, Mesa isn't out much. As aforementioned by "PhoenixX2," the company has more than enough stable diversification and its share of airline contracts in the mainline U.S. scene to recompense for any losses incurred by this venture. Even if a significant investment, YV's Hawaiian venture is gravy for them. The barriers to entry in this market are obviously insignificant, and Mesa has the assets to successfully diversify in this related direction.

Is it a surprising move? Sure. A move that is unwise? I, for one, would disagree with this notion, and go out on a limb and call the move brilliant. Also unmentioned, is that Mesa may have more operating profit potential in Hawaii, as it is operating independently, free from a contractual code-sharing agreement. All in all, I'm excited to see what unfolds. No matter the outcome, if anyone can do it, it's definitely Mesa.

Salute,

-UA-



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User currently offlineAloha73g From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3971 times:

AQ and HA have the very lucrative trans-pac routes to subsidize their interisland operations. The question of what terminal space they will use has yet to be answered. If they are in the 'Island Air Terminal' mainland connections will be beyond inconvenient.

Even if Mesa can afford to run up heavy losses....why would they? They are obligated to their stockholders to make business decisions which result in profit. AQ and HA will defend their turf. The people of Hawai'i will stand behind them.

People/companies underestimate the differences between doing business on the mainland and in Hawai'i. It is a completely different culture. If Mesa treats their Hawai'i workers the way they treat their mainland workers they will get ALOT of bad press and a bad reputation. Remember that Hawai'i is one of the most unionized states...companies who treat workers bad will not do well here. Many sucessful businesses have tried to invade industries which are dominated by local companies (i.e. Bank of America) and have failed.

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3941 times:

It doesn't matter how the locals feel if Mesa signs with STAR. They will instantly have a huge majority of the tourist market and will hurt the Hawaiian airlines tremendously. Soon there after they will be able to lower prices and the local airlines wont be able to compete. If they do compete they will loose money and die. This of course is not going to happen over a short period of time but could happen over the next several years. Mesa has a great opportunity here and can come out a real winner. I think that Mesa has done their homework and will make it happen.
Hawaii isn't all that different from everywhere else in the world, we try to be loyal but there are things that are just more important than loyalty. For most of us cost and convince is it!



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User currently offlineUA_727 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 215 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3925 times:

Quote:
Even if Mesa can afford to run up heavy losses....why would they? They are obligated to their stockholders to make business decisions which result in profit. AQ and HA will defend their turf. The people of Hawai'i will stand behind them.

I imagine this move is to please stockholders and other various shareholders involved in Mesa's operations. Seriously dude, my question remains - if not Hawaii, then what? If the company is solid enough with sufficient assets, there is no reason that they shouldn't attempt to diverssify. Coke has no problems explaining to their shareholders that they will attempt to create a new beverage that will feature the flavor of vanilla or a twist of lime. Why? Because they're not giving up their recipe for Coca Cola Classic in the stead of this new concept. People will still drink Coke, even if the lime or vanilla lines do not do well. If, however, these new flavors entice additional customers (either by the customers viewing the new drinks as substitue products or if the new flavors break consumers' homogenety of cola products), then the diverssified product is worth pursuing. I imagine, while cola and airlines are two completely different ballparks, that the same concept is being considered here. Trust me - if shareholders had a serious problem with Ornstein bringing Mesa to Hawaii, they would have done something about it.

 Wink

-UA-



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17661 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3919 times:

Quoting Aloha73g (Reply 11):
especially since Mesa is going after locals and not tourists.

nevermind the fact that Mesa runs a sh!tty operation...



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3899 times:

Quoting Ha763 (Reply 14):
Quoting Lono (Reply 13):
Quoting LUVRSW (Reply 12):
How did they get those tanks in there? Does the tail or nose open up?

These are fuel bladders..... not ridged at all.....

They are metal (steel) tanks, not bladders. I've personally seen and touched them at HA's maintenance hanger. They are not that wide and can fit through the door.

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Story in Airliners Mag a while back when HA flew the 717s to Hawaii . . . pretty in-depth on how they were rigged . . . good read. Sorry, my copy of magazine is at home, so I can't give month/yr.


25 Post contains links Aloha73g : I don't think Star is going to take in Mesa....why would they?? United has been codesharing in one form or another with AQ for over 20 years. Hawaiia
26 F27XXX : Not when their flight deck crews make less than shift managers at Wal-Mart! As long as they dont use the name MESA - -- because I'm sure that even al
27 PDXFlyBoy : If you are not from Hawaii, not familiar with how business is run in the 50th State, then do your homework before making statement you cannot support.
28 Aloha73g : If they pay their employees shit no one will work for them in Hawai'i. The cost of living is on par with San Francisco and NYC (read: HIGH!!!!!!). Als
29 HAL : I used to fly for Hawaiian before getting furloughed in 2003. I have seen how the business world works in Hawaii and I think that for all the reasons
30 DLKAPA : I agree. The only thing dumber than starting an LCC targeted at local business passengers and utilizing CRJ-200's is floating said CRJ-200s to Hawaii
31 Aloha73g : BINGO....the cargo and terminal location are a BIG deal. AQ, and to a lesser extent HA make a killing on cargo. Even if they hurt a bit on passengers
32 Post contains images Bluewave 707 : Well ... Mr Orenstein is quite the ambitious airlines CEO ain't he? Mesa can offer the lowest fares, but CANNOT offer the baggage space. Plain & simpl
33 T prop : Seeing as WP uses the parking spots closest to the terminal in HNL, YV pax will have to walk half way to Elliot street to board. That's going to be i
34 Post contains images PHLBOS : Too bad AQ didn't order the 717 to replace the 732 while the opportunity still existed. Nonetheless, the 732 still has an edge over the CRJ for the p
35 Jayspilot : I know what has been said by mesa, but I have a feeling that they are going to code share with all their domestic partners in Hawaii and feed off thei
36 Airmech : I've wondered how a Q400 operated as a combi would fare in the Hawiian market. From what I have heard there is a lot of cargo shipped by air between i
37 Aloha73G : The only airlines serving Hawai'i without codesharing with AQ (UA, AQ) or HA (HA, AA, CO, NW) are DL (which interlines with both) and ATA. If Mesa is
38 Tedex : Any idea what CRS Mesa will use?
39 Bigtidi : T-Prop Q400 Cabin maximum width (centreline) 8 ft 3 in 2.51 m Cabin width (floor level) 6 ft 8 in 2.03 m CRJ-200 Cabin maximum width (centreline) 8 ft
40 Tornado82 : Why not just run a secure shuttle like UA @ IAD, DL @ CVG, or etc. in connecting people from the mainline terminal(s) to the commuter terminal?
41 Boeing7E7 : This is the over ridding factor. This hair brained idea is a sure bust. Now.. An ERJ-170... Hmmmm... Q400 even better.
42 Aloha73G : This is where the State can help AQ and HA a bit by not allowing Mesa to do this...AQ used to have to a shuttle for Ali'i Club members to the UA area
43 PHLBOS : From what I've heard, (from someone who works over at BGR) the EMB-170/175/190/195 planes have a very shallow storage compartment area (about 3 feet
44 Tornado82 : Why should the state be in the corporate welfare business? You do that, and you basically begin another type of deal like the freakin Wright Am. Hawa
45 Aloha73G : Its not like they let WP do it...it would be an equal no for everyone. The State has helped out out AQ and HA many times in the past by waiving landi
46 Ha763 : HAL did a good job in his explanation. However, there is one thing that no one has mentioned. The interisland market has shrunk. Sure we have record n
47 Post contains images Bluewave 707 : The marketing dept @ YV has yet to do any type of marketing or advertising in Hawaii. The only marketing comes from the mouth of Jon Orenstein. Feb '
48 Tornado82 : They wouldn't be helping Mesa. They'd be treating Mesa indifferently, or "not screwing" Mesa, but definitely not "helping" Mesa. I still don't see wh
49 BrownBat : Big surprise that mesa would want to do this. Although I have heard that there is currently a travel boom in Hawaii and I guess mesa wants to get in o
50 KaiTakfan : Aloha, you seem to think that Mesa is just a thick headed monster of a company that does not realize their are to be cultural differences with doing b
51 Searpqx : Aloha may have made his preference for the local carriers obvious, but nothing he or any of the other posters have said is incorrect. This is a uniqu
52 Kahala777 : At last check AQ and HA employees were not exactly rolling in the dough! Hawaii, the worst state to do business in? Why? KAHALA777
53 Searpqx : The business climate is not exactly 'friendly', in terms of taxation, work rules, etc., and as mentioned earlier, we have one of the most heavily uni
54 Aloha73g : We were given that dubious distinction by Forbes Magazine when they dubbed us "The People's Republic of Hawai'i." It just doesn't make sense to me wh
55 Boeing7E7 : True, but it's enough for mail which is better than leaving bags behind. It's not like this service has a snowballs chance in hell of supplanting eit
56 Bluewave 707 : It's interesting to see the fracas drawn by YV's entrance into the inter-island market. When Mid-Pacific and Mahalo entered the market, there was some
57 Post contains links Bluewave 707 : This article about Mesa's planned Hawaii ops appears in today's (11.04.05) issue of the Honolulu Advertiser. http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/ap...20
58 Hawaiian717 : Interesting quote from the article Bluewave linked: Ornstein said Hawai'i's interisland market has been stunted by the higher fares charged by the loc
59 Malaysia : CRJ-200 with ETOPS? hehe well it sounds like a DH copy out of HNL
60 Hawaiian717 : No, no ETOPS. You don't need ETOPS for interisland flights, only for flights to/from Hawaii.
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