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Finnair's Intra-Europe Flights On MD-11  
User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13363 times:

This winter AY flies MD-11 twice a week HEL - AGP (in Southern-Spain).
The flight takes about 4,5h.

My shortest flight (3h) on AY's MD-11 was HEL - STN in early 1990s, that time London was a relatively inexpensive destination for Finnish shoppers... those where the days.

At Christmas (24. and 25. Dec) Finnair's MD-11s from Japan will make extra stops in RVN in Lapland, before arriving in HEL. I assume they won't take new passengers from RVN, just bringing Japanese tourists to meet Santa.

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User currently offlineAhlfors From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 1339 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 13233 times:

AY quite often uses MD-11s to the sun destinations in Southern Europe, especially AGP, but sometimes also the Canaries, southern Italy, and southern Greece.

User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 13209 times:

AY also flies MD-11s domestically.

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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 13196 times:

Actually AY use MD-11 for the European holiday flights rarely any more, they are needed more in Asia. This winter all MD-11s will get new angled lie-flat seats for C-class, will be difficult to use them for holiday flights.

User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 13175 times:

Quoting Andaman (Thread starter):
My shortest flight (3h) on AY's MD-11 was HEL - STN in early 1990s, that time London was a relatively inexpensive destination for Finnish shoppers... those where the days.

I flew that same sector on AY DC-10-30 in 1993, IIRC.

Quoting Andaman (Thread starter):
At Christmas (24. and 25. Dec) Finnair's MD-11s from Japan will make extra stops in RVN in Lapland, before arriving in HEL. I assume they won't take new passengers from RVN, just bringing Japanese tourists to meet Santa.

At least last year they DID take new passengers from RVN, but only the ones connecting to HEL-NRT.



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13006 times:

I am suprised to hear that Finnair no longer use the MD11s on busywinter charter flights. Las Palmas is very popular with Finns in winter and their DC10s and later MD11s were very frequent visitors.

I know the 757s do the holiday flights for AY but I would have thought destinations like LPA and TFS would demand a larger wide bodied aircraft in winter.


User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2179 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12942 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 5):
I am suprised to hear that Finnair no longer use the MD11s on busywinter charter flights. Las Palmas is very popular with Finns in winter and their DC10s and later MD11s were very frequent visitors.

A few years ago they had one MD-11 configured as a leisure airplane, and 3 MD-11s as long-haul. But they needed extra capacity for their long haul fleet, so they put the leisure MD-11 on the long-haul flights, and bought two 757s to replace that one MD-11. Those two 757s actually had more capacity than one MD-11, and the change also meant that their leisure fleet became standardized at one type only.



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User currently offlineMatt From Canada, joined May 1999, 689 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12934 times:

On a related note, can anyone explain why, in economy class, the Finnair MD11s have 9 seats abreast from rows 21 to 30, and then 10 seats abreast for the rest?


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8492 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12907 times:
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Quoting Matt (Reply 7):
On a related note, can anyone explain why, in economy class, the Finnair MD11s have 9 seats abreast from rows 21 to 30, and then 10 seats abreast for the rest?

10 abreast on an MD-11 - that must be tight - how do they cope on their JFK flights with "generously-built" American backsides . Does anyone else out there have 10 abreast on MD-11 ? This is the same fuselage cross section as the DC-10 which originally was designed as 8 abreast economy - and people thought it was getting tight back in the late '70s when most airlines changed from 8 to 9 across .



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User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2179 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12885 times:

Quoting Matt (Reply 7):
On a related note, can anyone explain why, in economy class, the Finnair MD11s have 9 seats abreast from rows 21 to 30, and then 10 seats abreast for the rest?

Austrian is doing the same on the 777. 9 abreast between rows 11-31, and 10 abreast between rows 32-47.

Maybe they put frequent flyers and full-fare economy passengers on the 9 abreast rows? Just my guess.



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User currently offlineMatt From Canada, joined May 1999, 689 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12868 times:

This is what I based my question on:

http://www.finnair.com/filecontent/common/md11_LGD.gif



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User currently offlineLordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12792 times:

Quoting Matt (Reply 7):
why, in economy class, the Finnair MD11s have 9 seats abreast from rows 21 to 30, and then 10 seats abreast for the rest

It dates back to the time when AY planned to have economy plus cabin on rows 21-30. I do not know if they ever actually did have or not. But the truth is that AY has a lot of "charter passengers" - ie. holiday package passengers - on their long haul routes, especially HEL-BKK-HEL which is to become once again (partly) twice daily route during the peak winter schedule. The charters were planned to get their seats in the back. Nowadays its not like that - you can get your seat where ever.

Ten abreast is real pain during a ten hour flight to BKK.

On HEL-JFK-HEL route there are more russian passengers than "generously built" americans.

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User currently offlineAtco2b From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 1114 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12754 times:

I remember reading a magazine article on Rhodes (RHO/LGRP) and seeing an AY MD-11 present...


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User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 12609 times:

In fact, AY first MD-11 flight was an intra-European (that flight was also the very first commercial service by an Eleven). It was HEL-TFS on the 20th December 1990, and from what I remember, AY had a MD-11 in an all Y-configuration, seating something like 410 passengers, before getting its B752.

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User currently offlineLordHowe From Finland, joined Jan 2003, 728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 12569 times:

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 13):
AY had a MD-11 in an all Y-configuration, seating something like 410 passengers

I would say much less than 400 pax - earlier (1980s) AY had a DC-10 in only charter use and it had 345 seats all economy.

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User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 12500 times:

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 14):
I would say much less than 400 pax - earlier (1980s) AY had a DC-10 in only charter use and it had 345 seats all economy.

LGD seated 403 or something, but definitely over 400.



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User currently offlineOHLBU From Finland, joined Jan 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 12489 times:

Quoting LordHowe (Reply 14):
I would say much less than 400 pax

Actually OH-LGD seated a little over 400 when in Y-cl config for charter flights. A very crowded airplane that was.

Quoting RedChili (Reply 9):
Maybe they put frequent flyers and full-fare economy passengers on the 9 abreast rows?

That is correct. Pre-seating for rows 21-30 is available for higher fare-classes only, the tighter rows 41-61 are for cheaper tickets and groups.


User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3462 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12164 times:

Are a good amount of pax on AY's JFK-HEL flights origin/destination pax. From what I heard last HEL is a main gateway for pax travelling to Russia and the former USSR.


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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11851 times:

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 17):
Are a good amount of pax on AY's JFK-HEL flights origin/destination pax. From what I heard last HEL is a main gateway for pax travelling to Russia and the former USSR.

Don't know the situation now but AY used to have problems with the Russian passangers on board, to make them use safety belts, to not smoke etc.


User currently offlineGlobeTrekker From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 851 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 11672 times:

3 weeks ago I flew HEL-PEK and PVG-HEL on an AY MD11. This gave me the opportunity to compare AY's MD11 ro KLM's MD11. At my station we mostly handle KLM MD11's and I flew that aircraft more times than I can count, both in Biz and Eco. KLM has a configuration of 2-4-3, while AY has 3-4-3.

Seems to me that in the end you get about the same amount pax on the aircraft, but because the 3-4-3 configuration you get more legroom than KLM.

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User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 11600 times:

Quoting GlobeTrekker (Reply 19):


Seems to me that in the end you get about the same amount pax on the aircraft, but because the 3-4-3 configuration you get more legroom than KLM.

Globe Trekker / AMS

Are the KLM seats more wide then?

I have flown B747 once only, on BA (LHR - SFO), then noticed I had less legroom (BA 31" - AY 32") than on AY's MD-11.


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