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Delta To Order 787 After Bankruptcy?  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6811 times:

I'm wondering, what are the chances of Delta ordering 787s if they exit bankruptcy?

I think they may order 787-3s to pick up the capacity lost by sending 8 767-400s to international destinations and retiring the 767-200s. I am unsure of what engine they would pick, as a significant amount of 767s are GE powered, while the 777s are RR powered. For some unknown reason, I am leaning toward GE.


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User currently offlineDelta4eva From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6788 times:

I don't think there is much question of if DL will order the 787, but when. Also, I expect them to order the 787-8 for long haul before the 787-3. DL is committed to flying more internationally, and I think they could find quite a few Asian destinations from ATL and JFK with the 787-8. I'd expect to see them pick GE because of the amount of money GE has given to DL for their restructuring.


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6786 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
I'm wondering, what are the chances of Delta ordering 787s if they exit bankruptcy?

It's all but inevitable at some point, so long as DL survives. In the near future, it simply isn't in the picture.


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6780 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 2):
In the near future, it simply isn't in the picture.

Depends on if they can spin off Comair.


User currently offlineDelta4eva From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6767 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 3):
Depends on if they can spin off Comair

Care to elaborate??



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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6752 times:

Quoting Delta4eva (Reply 4):
Care to elaborate??

Nope.


User currently offlineBtriple7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1163 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6676 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
I'm wondering, what are the chances of Delta ordering 787s if they exit bankruptcy?

Delta will have to do much more than just come out of bankruptcy before they buy aircraft.



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6628 times:

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 6):
Delta will have to do much more than just come out of bankruptcy before they buy aircraft.

Don't be so surprised if you see a 787 order w/i 2 years. Also, expect GE engines.

Comair - everyone will know more soon.



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User currently offlineCslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6592 times:

I expect DL to order the 787s within 12 months after exiting CH 11 By then, there will be more 787 orders, limiting DL to acquiring delivery slots into 2013 and beyond. [Note: I expect an average of 10 787 orders per month from now until the 787 enters into revenue service.]


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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6432 times:

Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 8):
[Note: I expect an average of 10 787 orders per month from now until the 787 enters into revenue service.]

Seems rather low. Even with current situations.


User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6427 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 7):
Comair - everyone will know more soon.

No surprise that deal is coming...

Regarding the 787, the other posters are right. This airplane is right up a restructured DL's alley. I also wonder if they make a foray into the 737-700 market; it would seem like a good fit to replace the -200's (albeit a little more capacity).


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3105 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6294 times:

I think DL will definitely order the 787, to replace the 763/764/777. I think the 777/763 would go first and the 764 would probably be the last to go.

I also agree with the prior poster that the 73G might be a good plane for them to consider, especially with all the recent expansion in Latin America. The planes could also fly from CVG-West Coast or on short hops in the east.


User currently offlineCslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6218 times:

[quote=I also wonder if they make a foray into the 737-700 market; it would seem like a good fit to replace the -200's (albeit a little more capacity).[/quote]

I don't think that DL needs the 73G. There is a limited market (to South America for example) which DL could use a small number of 73Gs. Other than that DL is better off flying the 738 and MD-90 as their near 150 seat capacity delivers lower CASM.

I however think that DL would consider the 95-99 seat airplane, such as the EMB-195s or Bombardier C110s.



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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6106 times:

Sure, by the time Delta can afford the 787, there will be some great deals on the secondhand market for this aircraft, if only Gulf Air could order a couple 787s first.  Wink

Delta employees on here dont be offended, it's al in the name of fun.



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5850 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 11):
I think DL will definitely order the 787, to replace the 763/764/777. I think the 777/763 would go first and the 764 would probably be the last to go.

Why would Delta replace a young fleet? The 787 could be simply added to the fleet (a la Continental) for international expansion, and may replace the 767-200 and 767-300 (non-ER).

[Edited 2005-11-02 19:04:18]


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5801 times:

Sorry to bump, but here is my dream fleet for Delta:


  • Boeing 737-700 (replace 737-200/300)
  • Boeing 737-800 (replace MD-88/MD-90)
  • Boeing 757-200
  • Boeing 767-300ER
  • Boeing 767-400ER
  • Boeing 777-200ER
  • Boeing 787-3 (replace 767-200 and 767-300 non-ER)
  • Boeing 787-8 (for international expansion)



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3105 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5782 times:

Well by the time they start getting the 787s towards the end of the decade, the 763's will be starting to get old. They could start retiring the old ones and moving the newer ones to domestic, and putting the 787s on international.

And it makes sense to phase out the 777s as there would still be a good used market for them, and DL apparently doesn't have plans to get any more of them so it would be wise from a fleet mix perspective. Consolidating 767/777 with the 787 over time will save them lots of $$ in terms of maintenance and training, plus the new fleet will be much more fuel efficient.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6557 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5766 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 16):
And it makes sense to phase out the 777s as there would still be a good used market for them, and DL apparently doesn't have plans to get any more of them so it would be wise from a fleet mix perspective. Consolidating 767/777 with the 787 over time will save them lots of $$ in terms of maintenance and training, plus the new fleet will be much more fuel efficient.

Delta has 5 777s on order, and has 20 as options.



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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5728 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 15):
Boeing 737-700 (replace 737-200/300)

Boeing 737-800 (replace MD-88/MD-90)

Boeing 757-200

Boeing 767-300ER

Boeing 767-400ER

Boeing 777-200ER

Boeing 787-3 (replace 767-200 and 767-300 non-ER)

Boeing 787-8 (for international expansion)

737-700
737-800
787-300
787-800

ERJ's for the regionals.


User currently onlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2713 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5358 times:

Does anyone think that DL will even look at the A350?

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5338 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 19):
Does anyone think that DL will even look at the A350?

Only as a measure to get Boeing to make them a better deal on the 787s, at most.


User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2193 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5311 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 19):
Does anyone think that DL will even look at the A350?

Nope


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5130 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 19):
Does anyone think that DL will even look at the A350?

ignore all the eminent expert opinions from the cheerleaders.

DL would indeed look at the A350 if it fitted their requirements, and if Airbus could broker them a finance deal after bankruptcy which didn't have any ruinous rates demanded elsewhere.

Delta, if it survives (which is by no means certain) will be wounded by all its debt and defaults following Chapter 11, so any fleet renewal will be difficult to arrange. Airbus are remarkably good at brokering financing and closing deals, and GECAS could be a third partner with their A350 input.


User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5096 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 3):
Depends on if they can spin off Comair.

Spinning off Comair would not influence the decision to purchaset the 787. Comair isn't worth nearly as much as it was 5 years ago. Delta could probably only fetch a few hundred million dollars for the unit. Any substantial purchase of the 787 would be a multi-billion dollar committment.



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User currently offlineKlkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 933 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5069 times:

I think there is a good chance of Delta being the U.S. launch customer for the 787-3 after they exit from bankruptcy. Their non ER 767-300's are coming up on twenty years and will need to be replaced as soon as possible. The 787-8 would be a natural replacement for 767-300ER and 787-9 would be a natural replacement for the 767-400ER (Although probably less of a priority because they're only 5-6 years old now).

25 1337Delta764 : Maybe if the 787-10X comes to life, Delta could order some to replace the 777 as some are claiming.
26 WINGS : I sure hope so. If Deltas management are smart enough they will look for their best options. Even if its only to slash some number on the price tag.
27 HJAIA : Delta will always be a Boeing fleet, sorry Airbus. Also, all aircraft on order from Boeing have been deferred till DL comes out of bankruptcy.
28 1337Delta764 : Didn't Delta have poor past experiences with Airbus (with the ex-PA A310s)? BTW Delta doesn't need the 787-8's range on the 767-200 and 767-300 (non-E
29 BlueSky1976 : No they did not. They got rid of them because it was better for DL to have one type (767) fly the routes more efficiently. And since they had more 76
30 WhiteHatter : Amazing how you all seem to think Chapter 11 is like a visit to the money fairy with all 'sins' wiped clean. Just remember that lenders will remember
31 1337Delta764 : BTW, the A350 doesn't come in the right sizes to fit into Delta's fleet. The smallest A350 is the size of a 767-400, and is too large to replace Delta
32 Klkla : Maybe so, but I don't think the 787-10 as being discussed now would have the same range as the 777ER.
33 Klkla : The 787-3 has nearly the exact same range as the 767-300 (non ER) but is much more full efficient and relatively inexpensive. The 787-8 would be too
34 Phollingsworth : The ex PanAm A310s were not in the best of shape and several were -200s. However, DL did order and lease several new build A310-300s from Airbus. The
35 Post contains links and images Startknob : Comair? Comair! http://search.yahoo.com/search/dir?p=COMAIR.COM http://www.networksolutions.com/whoi...oistoken=5&window1-resetEvent=true Then try www
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