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194AT Back In Business?  
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5291 posts, RR: 23
Posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3968 times:

Noticed an ATA L1011 leaving Cambridge today. Does this mean that 194AT made it out of its 1/2-C check at Marshall Aerospace and is back in business? I'm assuming that ATA badly needs it for military missions, particularly given its renewed focus on charter as a moneymaker.

Also, any further word on ship 162? I had thought that GAMCO was hoping to have it done by the end of October, but I understand that doing a D-check on an older airframe can be unpredictable...

Best,

Bill

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User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

That is correct, Bill. 194 left CBG today.
162 is now scheduled to leave AUH in 2-3 weeks - 163 should be 'enrolled' around Dec. 1.



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3910 times:

Good news, keep them flying!

User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5291 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

Thanks for the update! By early Feb, y'all should have 3 significantly-more-reliable airframes (2 L10 and 1 767) on the military beat.

User currently offlineTZTristar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1459 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

The 767, which will most-likely be N601TZ, won't be on the ops spec until at least April/May. It has to go through a heavy C4 check, plus an ATA maintenance program bridge check, plus an interior reconfig to all one-class.

Also, N162AT is the first with new paint..."baby's gotta new dress"...haha.



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

Quoting TZTristar500 (Reply 4):
Also, N162AT is the first with new paint..."baby's gotta new dress"...haha.

Christian,

Post a picture when you can.

Carl


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

Quoting TZTristar500 (Reply 4):
Also, N162AT is the first with new paint..."baby's gotta new dress"...haha.

Is she going to be in full TZ colors or just in a basic version, like rumored before?



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5291 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3751 times:

Quoting TZTristar500 (Reply 4):
It has to go through a heavy C4 check

Any word yet on where that will be done? Is the lessor taking care of that before delivery to ATA for the bridge check? Also, how does seniority affect flight deck crews on that aircraft? In other words, will folks flying the L1011 now be trained for the 767, or will current 757 pilots just be given differences training, or is that too simplistic a question? (I'm unclear on how many folks, if any, who presently fly the L1011 are also current (or at least rated) on the 757.)


User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1459 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3666 times:

It will be is basic new colors(no logos) which was never rumored.

The 767 C4 visit will be done at AMECO in China before delivery to ATA. I do not know about any of the crew issues.



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User currently offlineNYCTZ From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3645 times:

I would have loved to see the L-10's in our new livery, logos and all, but I understand why. I hope the 767 gets the complete paint scheme!

User currently offlineTundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3632 times:

Yes I have to say both will lok hot in those new colors!

User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5291 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3584 times:

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 8):
It will be is basic new colors(no logos) which was never rumored.

I think the rumour to which the poster was referring related to the rumours regarding L1011 paint, which we have heard will be a "hybrid" nondescript scheme. Speaking of which, on the L1011, I wish they would keep the green vertical pinstripe line just aft of the lip of the No. 2 engine cowling. It matches the horizontal cheatline in the "On Vacation" paint scheme, but, even without that paint scheme, adds a nice effect to that intake. They could make it orange to match the broad line on the hybrid scheme. While I understand why aircraft used on military missions might be sensibly-nondescript, it's still too bad that at least the flag-tail wouldn't be included.


User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1459 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

Actually the reason for the paint job being sans logos is not because of the necessity to be nondescript. It is this way for monetary and graphics reasons only. In fact, the hybrid scheme is designed to add the logos later after the graphics issues are worked out and the company decides to spend the money for the paint masks.

What I mean by "graphics" problems is that the ATA billboard and tail flag are painted on with several offset paint layer masks. These masks were originally designed for a narrowbody aircraft and thus have a unique pixel design to give it a 3-D look. When the vendor scaled it up to fit a widebody, the 3-D effect was lost and so a new pixel and masks will have to be designed which costs money that we don't have right now. The masks alone for a 757 is somewhere around $50K let alone the extra time to paint the mutiple layers. To put it in some perspective, the 737-300s took 2 weeks to paint each.

The talk now is what scheme the 763 will get as it might be the same as the "new" L-1011 scheme(new scheme minus logos) at least temporarily.

I hope they both get the full livery some day, but you got to admit that the 763 is much more likely than the L-1011s.



35 years of American Trans Air/ATA Airlines, 1973-2008. A great little airline that will not be soon forgotten.
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5291 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3509 times:

Thanks for the info, Tristar. And welcome to my respected users list.

Best,

Bill


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5291 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 8):
The 767 C4 visit will be done at AMECO in China before delivery

Can't complain, I'm sure, about Lufthansa's work out there. (Always amusing when the managing executive of a facility in Beijing has a German name...) But I woulda thought that AAR would have liked a shot at this one... But on the other hand, although this would have looked good for local politics, ATA needs to save every penny...


User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1459 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3319 times:

Well here is a sneak peak at N162AT's new clothes...I like it, nice and clean look...almost makesit look like a VIP L-1011  Smile

I admit that these are not great, but they give a good idea...

[url=http://home.indy.rr.com/dc8/stuff/nose%20section%20final.jpg]
[url=http://home.indy.rr.com/dc8/stuff/nose%20section%20right.jpg]
[url=http://home.indy.rr.com/dc8/stuff/right%20aft%20final.jpg]
[url=http://home.indy.rr.com/dc8/stuff/tail%20final.jpg]



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User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1459 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

Sorry about the links...here they are again...

http://home.indy.rr.com/dc8/stuff/nose%20section%20final.jpg
http://home.indy.rr.com/dc8/stuff/nose%20section%20right.jpg
http://home.indy.rr.com/dc8/stuff/right%20aft%20final.jpg
http://home.indy.rr.com/dc8/stuff/tail%20final.jpg



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User currently offlineTundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3261 times:

I think she looks great!!

User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3262 times:

Thanks for taking the effort to post these sneak peeks.  Smile I would have never expected to see a TZ TriStar in the current colorscheme.


Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5291 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

Great photos. Fine-looking paint scheme. Lots of folks won't know that this is an older a/c, at least from the way the exterior looks. No mix-and-match radomes, cowls, etc., on this bird! (At least for the moment.)

Is is safe to assume that the thing doesn't go in for paint until all the corrosion work is done throughout the aircraft? Obviously all doubling, etc., on the exterior would be done before paint, but would they still work on stringers, spars, etc., after paint? Or would they be afraid of the possibility of damaging the new paint job? Put another way: can we assume from the fact that it made it to paint that all issues like corrosion, cracks, major system defects, etc., have been resolved and it's gonna make it out of D-check?

Best,

Bill


User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1459 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3171 times:

Exterior painting in the check flow is really done at the end with all external work completed, but inevitably, some on-going internal repairs remain just to keep the flow going. There are a few remaining structures repairs left on the inside, but no "show-stoppers". 162 should be out within 2 weeks. I hope to get some better pics by then too.

Also, one last bit on 194...this aircraft is now not scheduled to receive a D check, but be retired on Feb. 28, 2006. However, by then anything is possible otherwise.



35 years of American Trans Air/ATA Airlines, 1973-2008. A great little airline that will not be soon forgotten.
User currently offlineTyphaerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 619 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3158 times:
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I assume that the engines have the new blue base gold stripe scheme?

I think that one of the cooler parts of the new color scheme is that engine stripe.

She looks good. Can't wait till she is back in action and loading up our L1011 reports again. Thank you TZTriStar500 for the photos and info.



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User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1459 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3134 times:

No engine speed stripe either I'm afraid Sad That one is also pixelated like the logo and tail flag so the No.1 and 3 engine nose and core cowls will just be all blue....for now.


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User currently offlineTyphaerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 619 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3106 times:
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Well that's no fun... Maybe we could take up a collection....  biggrin 


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User currently offlineFRA2DTW From Germany, joined Feb 2004, 322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3042 times:

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 20):

I assume that 194 is being retired because of the arrival of the 767. However, this does not add anything to the military charter capacity and thus to cash flow. On the other hand, it saves millions on the D-check, so it probably is a wash.


25 TZTriStar500 : Yes, the 763 is supposed to replace 194, but its not necessarily correct to say that capacity would be a wash. The L-1011 fleet is NOT the sole aircra
26 Babaero : Having worked myself at GAMCO in AUH how did you manage to get the camera pass security to take the pictures of 162... Photography was a big no no..
27 A40-TY : Hi, N162AT was rolled out at GAMCO 3 days ago in the new ATA colours but without titles. It spent around 5 weeks in the paintshop post D Check and wou
28 Typhaerion : Hmmm, that five is an interesting thought, but I am sure that unless it was cheap as free it will not be coming here. We want nothing to do with more
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