CHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 705 posts, RR: 4 Posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6961 times:
I recently had a talk with some of my UA buddies here in Chicago concerning their plan for India. What I learned is that UA is preparing for services to India, and as soon as they can get a hold of some more 777s (post BK) they are planning on implementing two new DAILY services to India:
The first one came as a shocker to me, but when I reconsidered it, I think it could work. If a different timings than AA's service, maybe a 2-4AM Delhi arrival, it would work perfectly. An onward service to BOM (w/o cabotage) makes perfect sense, with the huge number of ethnic Gujuratis in the Chicagoland area.
SFO-NRT-BLR would work easily. No need for analysis.
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 11166 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6923 times:
I think that would be great. Although NRT is a little out of the way compared to AMS or CDG (offered on NW or DL) I think there is potential there. Hopefully at least one of these routes will come to fruition. UA has been preparing or at least rumored to be going back to India ever since they pulled out when they dropped the around the world flight.
If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
CHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 705 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6550 times:
Quoting Pomnath (Reply 8): As for the ORD-North India route, a non-stop ORD- (Ahmedabad) with feeds on the domestic airlines to DEL, BOM, PNQ, BLR, MAA etc would make a lot more sense.
I think a flight to DEL is best. A codeshare with 9W would be ideal. From DEL, connections can be made to anywhere in India, as opposed to the limits of AMD. For instance, there would be no way for UA to target Punjabi passengers heading up to ATQ without a stop at DEL.
The BOM extension works very well, and I am suprised AA never conceived the idea.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 15363 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6415 times:
Quoting Planeboy (Reply 12): One stop BLR-NRT-SFO will surely be a success. There is huge potential for more seats to SFO / SJC / OAK / SEA routes.
BLR is becoming a star alliance heaven. LH, SQ and TG are already flying there. UA would be a good addition. Too bad NW (and ST) is loosing out.
I've been saying it would be in AA's interest to try to get some of these routes, but since they don't have the rights such as NRT-DEL, NRT-BLR, I'm not so sure if it will work out and its certainly out of the possibility of them getting the -200LR for now, will make no sense for them... however a BLR-SEA could be done with their current -200ER's, but leaves much to be desired in connecting to seattle...
however, SJC-DEL-SJC or LAX-DEL-LAX would be easily done by AA's 777-200ER's......I think it would work as the Northern Bay Area (fremont, sunnyvale, san jose,etc.) has a MASSIVE desi population..!!
Pomnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6193 times:
Quoting UAPremierGuy (Reply 17): Well, they have to give free flights to all the people in India who now answer the phone when you call United Reservations...God is that annoying...
You got that wrong, what is more annoying is the long line of executives from USA based airlines standing in New Delhi asking for rights to fly to India. Nothing wrong with that, but then most of them are unable to speak English that others can understand either.
And if you still find that annoying, use the Internet "UAPremierGuy".
Won't it make more sense to just fly ORD-BOM non-stop? There's already a non-stop ORD-DEL flight, hence why would anyone fly UA ORD-DEL-BOM when they don't gain the benefits of a non-stop. Any *A member can easily make one of the different one-stop options of ORD-Europe-BOM on *A.
Karan69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2913 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6081 times:
Quoting Nimish (Reply 22): Wake up UA! Wake up NW! There's money to be made on this route (though a non-stop SFO-BLR would be the killer
That would certainly be a killer, infact SFO-BLR and SFO-BOM would both be killer route.
Quoting Nimish (Reply 22): Won't it make more sense to just fly ORD-BOM non-stop?
Not possible until they get the 777-200 LR or the 788, at PRESENT the only aircrafts which can do the route year round non-stop without any payload restrictions are:
As you can see UA do not have any of these aircrafts to perform the route profitability. Otherwise they would have to something like what AC did with the 343s on DEL-YYZ by making a technical stop at Sweden i think.
Gabrielz From United States of America, joined May 2004, 113 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6052 times:
Quoting Nimish (Reply 22): Would a SFO-HKG-BLR routing make sense? I would think there's more people going to/from HKG/China, than to Japan?
Nimish: Yes, HKG would be infinitely better for UA and regular West Coast-India travellers (like myself), as it is more en-route and faster turnaround/less delayed than Narita.
However, the US and China failed to negotiate expanded 5th freedom from HKG (probably on UA's behalf), so there are major restrictions on what can/cannot be flown from there. Additionally, UA would have to add inbound flights to HKG to increase lift, as most of their flights to HKG (ORD/SFO/NRT) are perpetually full with mostly O&D traffic.
Question for those more educated: UA has some 5th freedom from HKG (currently being used on SIN and SGN - formerly used RTW). How many frequecies/destinations are they allowed?
: By having it go through NRT, UA can also pick up additional feed from LAX, SEA, etc...
: That is why this route is will only come in effect when UA gets some new 777s, as I said above.
: AC is offering that YYZ-ZRH-DEL where ZRH is in Switzerland, not Sweden Flight# 878 / 879
: What he meant was that when AC was flying YYZ-DEL nonstop, often times they had to make an unscheduled technical stop in Sweeden for refueling.
: UAL should fly from its IAD hub to DEL and not ORD. There are enough airlines flying to ORD from India direct and via EU/UK but what would really give
: You mixed that up. ORD-DEL's distance is 6503 nm, and the 777-200ER's range is 7730 nm. But United's 777s are a lower weight than AA, DL, CO, or real
: I thought they already did go to India. I remember when I use to live in Chicago, they had a full page add in the Tribune looking for Hindi speaking
: UA's current longest route is ORD-HKG which is really pushing it for the 747s. ORD-HKG 7794 mi ORD-DEL 7484 mi ORD-BOM 8054 mi ORD-DEL should be possi
: That is what even I was thinking. They will get additional feed from LAX, SEA etc. And other star alliance partners too fly to NRT from US. So, it ca
: If UA needs a slot or an aircraft, I would hate to see HNL-NRT go, but if they could get ANA to make up the lost capacity by upgrading their once dai
: Why did UA give up their LHR / DEL route? Thanks,
: The return for service is not immediate or definite, besides that equipment could cleaned up in a matter of days.
: Put them in the new livery while you are at it! We wouldn't want any "rustbucket" ground equipment to be used. In the past, UA flew LHR - DEL - HKG.
: All these American/USA airlines "discovering" India and making for DEL/BOM need to bear in mind that:- a) There is a much higher level of expectation
: That point is very true. However, a nonstop ORD-AMD or YYZ-ATQ most likely will never happen by North American airlines. UA, AA, AC, etc rely mostly
: There's also a lot of TWA ground equipment in a heap at CDG and JFK (at least there was the last time I was there around 18 months ago). While I have
: Well, UA will have to clear ground rent on abandoned equipment before they can return to DEL again, that's for sure. That's a lot of money to b paid
: A route like YYZ-ATQ would be impssible for AC. The India-Canada Bilateral agreement restricts where in India AC can fly. DEL, BOM and CCU are the on
: I know from someone who works for UA that they are setting up a 747 pilot base at IAD. That could only mean they are preparing for India routes from I
: This is excellent news. Every two weeks I ask my contacts at UA about their India plans and all I get is that nothing is imminent - but this suggests
: I think maybe UA does not want to give up on DEL. For a long time, they were the only US carrier operating there. It's something of a pride issue may
: It could mean a lot of different things unrelated to India. The 744 would struggle on IAD-DEL and IAD-BOM is out of the question. N
: This is old story as of today any canadian carrier can fly to BOM,DEL,BLR,CCU,MAA and HYD in india and any indian carrier can fly to Toronto, Montrea
: A few scenarios for United Airlines to re-enter the India market! Scenario A> United Airlines brings back its second daily service from San Francisco
: UA has 5th freedom routes from Japan but has India signed off on this? Only direct flights between Japan & India are JL with three-weekly NRT-DEL, 5 w
: How long will the JAL flights last now that JAL is going to reduce routes, employees, and equipment? KAHALA777
: I made a mistake. JL only flies three-weekly on NRT-DEL. The rest are Air India. I don't think JL will reduce any flights that aren't leisure oriente
: Good point. You wonder if UA would drop certain US routes or frequencies if NRT - India proves to be more lucerative. As an extension of this thought