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UA Preparing For India?  
User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 548 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6430 times:

I recently had a talk with some of my UA buddies here in Chicago concerning their plan for India. What I learned is that UA is preparing for services to India, and as soon as they can get a hold of some more 777s (post BK) they are planning on implementing two new DAILY services to India:

ORD-DEL-BOM

SFO-NRT-BLR




The first one came as a shocker to me, but when I reconsidered it, I think it could work. If a different timings than AA's service, maybe a 2-4AM Delhi arrival, it would work perfectly. An onward service to BOM (w/o cabotage) makes perfect sense, with the huge number of ethnic Gujuratis in the Chicagoland area.

SFO-NRT-BLR would work easily. No need for analysis.


Any thoughts?

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User currently offlineLHUSA From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 566 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6418 times:

I hope this is correct. I would love to see UA fly these routes. I'm sure they would be successful... Especially the BLR flight.

[Edited 2005-11-04 02:03:02]

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9670 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6392 times:

I think that would be great. Although NRT is a little out of the way compared to AMS or CDG (offered on NW or DL) I think there is potential there. Hopefully at least one of these routes will come to fruition. UA has been preparing or at least rumored to be going back to India ever since they pulled out when they dropped the around the world flight.


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User currently offline777D From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 300 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6371 times:

The BLR service would great for freight.

User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6315 times:

Quoting CHI787ORD (Thread starter):
can get a hold of some more 777s (post BK)

What time frames are we looking at??

Quoting CHI787ORD (Thread starter):
SFO-NRT-BLR

Wow! If this does really materialize, Is it going to be UA's gain and NW loss?

Quoting 777D (Reply 3):
The BLR service would great for freight

Just curious, what kind?



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User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 548 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6249 times:

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 4):
Quoting CHI787ORD (Thread starter):
can get a hold of some more 777s (post BK)

What time frames are we looking at??

I really don't know. If UA decides to place a boeing order for T7s and 787s, it could be a few years. If the decide to hurry the process and lease it could be quite soon. Who knows?


User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6241 times:

wow. people who are from the region of india will sure have a lot of options getting there with BA, AA, PIA, and maybe soon UA

User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6196 times:

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 4):
The BLR service would great for freight

Just curious, what kind?

Software, of course.  Silly


User currently offlinePomnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6155 times:

There is a huge stock of buses, ladders and other ground equipent that beongs to UA lyin around at DEL. I don't see it being cleaned up.

As for the ORD-North India route, a non-stop ORD- (Ahmedabad) with feeds on the domestic airlines to DEL, BOM, PNQ, BLR, MAA etc would make a lot more sense.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6107 times:

United won't be able to stay the PW4090 777 plan and fly ORD-DEL. They'll have to fly their 744 or not at all.

N


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4113 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6050 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 9):
United won't be able to stay the PW4090 777 plan and fly ORD-DEL. They'll have to fly their 744 or not at all.

It's possible that they want more 772s to replace 744s on other routes, and then use the 744s on ORD-DEL.


User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 548 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6019 times:

Quoting Pomnath (Reply 8):
As for the ORD-North India route, a non-stop ORD- (Ahmedabad) with feeds on the domestic airlines to DEL, BOM, PNQ, BLR, MAA etc would make a lot more sense.

I think a flight to DEL is best. A codeshare with 9W would be ideal. From DEL, connections can be made to anywhere in India, as opposed to the limits of AMD. For instance, there would be no way for UA to target Punjabi passengers heading up to ATQ without a stop at DEL.

The BOM extension works very well, and I am suprised AA never conceived the idea.


User currently offlinePlaneboy From India, joined May 2005, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6013 times:

One stop BLR-NRT-SFO will surely be a success. There is huge potential for more seats to SFO / SJC / OAK / SEA routes.

BLR is becoming a star alliance heaven. LH, SQ and TG are already flying there. UA would be a good addition. Too bad NW (and ST) is loosing out.


User currently offlineSchipholjfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5978 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
Although NRT is a little out of the way compared to AMS or CDG (offered on NW or

Didn't NWA just call off AMS-BLR?



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User currently offlinePomnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5909 times:

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 11):
I think a flight to DEL is best. A

DEL is now over-served. And there are enough new flights headed for Amritsar to take care of that Punjabi segment, largely lowest Economy Excursion yields.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5884 times:

Quoting Planeboy (Reply 12):
One stop BLR-NRT-SFO will surely be a success. There is huge potential for more seats to SFO / SJC / OAK / SEA routes.

BLR is becoming a star alliance heaven. LH, SQ and TG are already flying there. UA would be a good addition. Too bad NW (and ST) is loosing out.

I've been saying it would be in AA's interest to try to get some of these routes, but since they don't have the rights such as NRT-DEL, NRT-BLR, I'm not so sure if it will work out and its certainly out of the possibility of them getting the -200LR for now, will make no sense for them... however a BLR-SEA could be done with their current -200ER's, but leaves much to be desired in connecting to seattle...


however, SJC-DEL-SJC or LAX-DEL-LAX would be easily done by AA's 777-200ER's......I think it would work as the Northern Bay Area (fremont, sunnyvale, san jose,etc.) has a MASSIVE desi population..!!

[Edited 2005-11-04 05:51:45]


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User currently offlineSFORunner From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5782 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 7):
Software, of course.

Don't you mean software engineers?

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 13):
Didn't NWA just call off AMS-BLR?

Yup. While you could have fown SFO - AMS - BLR, I would think that as a UA hub, SFO fliers would favor a Star Alliance routing (currently SFO - FRA - BLR ?).

I wonder which NRT flight would get the axe. Me thinks one of the ICN or HNL slots.

[Edited 2005-11-04 06:46:15]

User currently offlineUAPremierGuy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5719 times:

Well, they have to give free flights to all the people in India who now answer the phone when you call United Reservations...God is that annoying...


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User currently offlinePomnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5662 times:

Quoting UAPremierGuy (Reply 17):
Well, they have to give free flights to all the people in India who now answer the phone when you call United Reservations...God is that annoying...

You got that wrong, what is more annoying is the long line of executives from USA based airlines standing in New Delhi asking for rights to fly to India. Nothing wrong with that, but then most of them are unable to speak English that others can understand either.

And if you still find that annoying, use the Internet "UAPremierGuy".


User currently offlineBigB From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 607 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5657 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 10):
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 9):
United won't be able to stay the PW4090 777 plan and fly ORD-DEL. They'll have to fly their 744 or not at all.

It's possible that they want more 772s to replace 744s on other routes, and then use the 744s on ORD-DEL.

What he trying to say is that, won't UAL have range issues with those 777s going ORD-DEL?



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User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1483 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5601 times:

Yes UALs 772 will have issues going ORD-DEL nonstop!!!!!

ORD-DEL distance = 7470 miles

777-200ER range = 7730 miles


I would say its a nogo...


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31692 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5586 times:

Quoting CHI787ORD (Thread starter):
ORD-DEL-BOM

Any confirmation date with Timings.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3264 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5563 times:

Quoting CHI787ORD (Thread starter):
ORD-DEL-BOM

Won't it make more sense to just fly ORD-BOM non-stop? There's already a non-stop ORD-DEL flight, hence why would anyone fly UA ORD-DEL-BOM when they don't gain the benefits of a non-stop. Any *A member can easily make one of the different one-stop options of ORD-Europe-BOM on *A.

Quoting CHI787ORD (Thread starter):
SFO-NRT-BLR

Wake up UA! Wake up NW! There's money to be made on this route (though a non-stop SFO-BLR would be the killer).

Would a SFO-HKG-BLR routing make sense? I would think there's more people going to/from HKG/China, than to Japan?



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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5550 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 22):
Wake up UA! Wake up NW! There's money to be made on this route (though a non-stop SFO-BLR would be the killer

That would certainly be a killer, infact SFO-BLR and SFO-BOM would both be killer route.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 22):
Won't it make more sense to just fly ORD-BOM non-stop?

Not possible until they get the 777-200 LR or the 788, at PRESENT the only aircrafts which can do the route year round non-stop without any payload restrictions are:

777-200 LR
747-400 ER
340-500
340-600 HGW
777-300 ER??

As you can see UA do not have any of these aircrafts to perform the route profitability. Otherwise they would have to something like what AC did with the 343s on DEL-YYZ by making a technical stop at Sweden i think.


User currently offlineGabrielz From United States of America, joined May 2004, 92 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5521 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 22):
Would a SFO-HKG-BLR routing make sense? I would think there's more people going to/from HKG/China, than to Japan?

Nimish: Yes, HKG would be infinitely better for UA and regular West Coast-India travellers (like myself), as it is more en-route and faster turnaround/less delayed than Narita.

However, the US and China failed to negotiate expanded 5th freedom from HKG (probably on UA's behalf), so there are major restrictions on what can/cannot be flown from there. Additionally, UA would have to add inbound flights to HKG to increase lift, as most of their flights to HKG (ORD/SFO/NRT) are perpetually full with mostly O&D traffic.

Question for those more educated: UA has some 5th freedom from HKG (currently being used on SIN and SGN - formerly used RTW). How many frequecies/destinations are they allowed?



25 CHI787ORD : By having it go through NRT, UA can also pick up additional feed from LAX, SEA, etc...
26 CHI787ORD : That is why this route is will only come in effect when UA gets some new 777s, as I said above.
27 Post contains images Pilatusguy : AC is offering that YYZ-ZRH-DEL where ZRH is in Switzerland, not Sweden Flight# 878 / 879
28 Chi787ord : What he meant was that when AC was flying YYZ-DEL nonstop, often times they had to make an unscheduled technical stop in Sweeden for refueling.
29 Behramjee : UAL should fly from its IAD hub to DEL and not ORD. There are enough airlines flying to ORD from India direct and via EU/UK but what would really give
30 Gigneil : You mixed that up. ORD-DEL's distance is 6503 nm, and the 777-200ER's range is 7730 nm. But United's 777s are a lower weight than AA, DL, CO, or real
31 PIA777 : I thought they already did go to India. I remember when I use to live in Chicago, they had a full page add in the Tribune looking for Hindi speaking
32 RoseFlyer : UA's current longest route is ORD-HKG which is really pushing it for the 747s. ORD-HKG 7794 mi ORD-DEL 7484 mi ORD-BOM 8054 mi ORD-DEL should be possi
33 Blrsea : That is what even I was thinking. They will get additional feed from LAX, SEA etc. And other star alliance partners too fly to NRT from US. So, it ca
34 727EMflyer : If UA needs a slot or an aircraft, I would hate to see HNL-NRT go, but if they could get ANA to make up the lost capacity by upgrading their once dai
35 Indio66 : Why did UA give up their LHR / DEL route? Thanks,
36 Post contains images UAMAYBACH1239 : The return for service is not immediate or definite, besides that equipment could cleaned up in a matter of days.
37 SFORunner : Put them in the new livery while you are at it! We wouldn't want any "rustbucket" ground equipment to be used. In the past, UA flew LHR - DEL - HKG.
38 Pomnath : All these American/USA airlines "discovering" India and making for DEL/BOM need to bear in mind that:- a) There is a much higher level of expectation
39 CHI787ORD : That point is very true. However, a nonstop ORD-AMD or YYZ-ATQ most likely will never happen by North American airlines. UA, AA, AC, etc rely mostly
40 Post contains images Twaaf9 : There's also a lot of TWA ground equipment in a heap at CDG and JFK (at least there was the last time I was there around 18 months ago). While I have
41 Pomnath : Well, UA will have to clear ground rent on abandoned equipment before they can return to DEL again, that's for sure. That's a lot of money to b paid
42 Cslusarc : A route like YYZ-ATQ would be impssible for AC. The India-Canada Bilateral agreement restricts where in India AC can fly. DEL, BOM and CCU are the on
43 WindowSeat : I know from someone who works for UA that they are setting up a 747 pilot base at IAD. That could only mean they are preparing for India routes from I
44 Sshank : This is excellent news. Every two weeks I ask my contacts at UA about their India plans and all I get is that nothing is imminent - but this suggests
45 CHI787ORD : I think maybe UA does not want to give up on DEL. For a long time, they were the only US carrier operating there. It's something of a pride issue may
46 Gigneil : It could mean a lot of different things unrelated to India. The 744 would struggle on IAD-DEL and IAD-BOM is out of the question. N
47 Post contains links BlrBird : This is old story as of today any canadian carrier can fly to BOM,DEL,BLR,CCU,MAA and HYD in india and any indian carrier can fly to Toronto, Montrea
48 Kahala777 : A few scenarios for United Airlines to re-enter the India market! Scenario A> United Airlines brings back its second daily service from San Francisco
49 Carpethead : UA has 5th freedom routes from Japan but has India signed off on this? Only direct flights between Japan & India are JL with three-weekly NRT-DEL, 5 w
50 Kahala777 : How long will the JAL flights last now that JAL is going to reduce routes, employees, and equipment? KAHALA777
51 Carpethead : I made a mistake. JL only flies three-weekly on NRT-DEL. The rest are Air India. I don't think JL will reduce any flights that aren't leisure oriente
52 Post contains images SFORunner : Good point. You wonder if UA would drop certain US routes or frequencies if NRT - India proves to be more lucerative. As an extension of this thought
53 Post contains images Kahala777 : Good Catch!
54 UA744Flagship : The mountanous terrain is indeed the obstacle that limits a UA744's range. That's more to do with the fact that 744s are now regular equipment IADLHR
55 N1120A : First off, San Jose/Freemont/Sunnyvale are in the Southern Bay Area. Second, while AA's 656,000 pound 772ERs have plenty of range to do the route, th
56 Gigneil : With what planes would they fly this schedule? That was because of routing... N
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