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User currently offlineSolarWind From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 66 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6096 times:

I think as similar thread was on the Net some time ago..but I cant find it....So...If you could travel back in time 30 years to 1975...and you spoke to Airline people then what could you say about the Industry of 2005 that would Shock them?..Heres a few..1.A new TWO engine plane would be able to fly 7000 to 8000 mi. Non Stop...2...5 out of the 6 largest US Airlines would take a trip thru Chap. 11..3.The two great US Flag carriers of the 70s..Pan Am, and TWA would be out of Business..4..AA would be the largest Airline in the world..and the largest US carrier in MIA,LHR, and South America (AA didnt have a single flight to any of these in the 70s)..5. CO would be flying NS to PEK and DEL from EWR with a Twin engine plane.no less....What else?..later SW

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User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6057 times:

First, Thank you for remind me that I am 30!!! Big grin  Wink

Sorry boys, no Pan Am flight to the moon.
Airlines offering only peanuts during flight.
OneWorld and Star Alliance.
Aeroflot flying Airbus and Boeing!
There's no flying cars...yet.
Airlines still flying DC-9,707,747-100 and 737-200.
Air France and KLM merger.
Bye, bye Swissair and Sabena.
Emirates.
E-ticket.
Osaka-Kansai Airport.
Hong Kong New york nonstop.
Singapore LAX and New York nonstop.
IFE,PTV's on Economy CLass!
Braniff 1 is gone, Braniff 2 is gone too.
Virgin Atlantic

Soooo many things.

USADreamliner .

 wave 


User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4315 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6018 times:

Quoting SolarWind (Thread starter):
and you spoke to Airline people then what could you say about the Industry of 2005 that would Shock them?.

I hate to disappoint you, but I think their shock would emanate not from what modern aircraft can do or what the state of various airlines are but, rather, from how little progress we've made technologically. Despite the fact that 1975 was somewhat of a "doom-and-gloom" period with people claiming we were running out of global oil and food, aviation was the one bright spot. I think they would be surprised at how little airplanes have in fact changed - despite great performances on just two engines, they are still for the most part an aluminum tube with wings. Perhaps they might be impressed with the composite construction just around the corner (787/350) but they would be surprised that the planes still look the same and fly the same.

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 1):
Sorry boys, no Pan Am flight to the moon.

And that says it all!



I'm not a racist...I hate Biden, too.
User currently offlineMainliner From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6018 times:

Deregulation
737's across the Pacific (US mainland to Hawaii, at least)
No supersonic aircraft
Abysmal service
30 inch seat pitch in economy
Alliances
Automated call-centers
Online booking
Eurowhite color schemes

[Edited 2005-11-04 16:44:25]


Every flight counts.
User currently offlineToTheStars From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5976 times:

I think in 1975 the World Trade Center towers had just been completed...Imagine telling someone that two future airliners piloted by terrorists would be flown into them causing them both to collapse.


TWA-Airline To the Stars
User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8190 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5970 times:

The impact of FF programs with people flying in First even though they bought a cheap ticket.

The quality of the food - it actually used to be pretty good in those days.

The level of security that is required just to board a plane.

Not being able to let kids up front to see what it's like - many a future pilot lost on that one.

The advancements in computerization in aircraft.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5940 times:

The creation of domestic hubs.

In '75 only BN and DL had the beginnings of Hub systems.

Regional airlines.

Back in '75 when you flew on regionals, they were flying mostly used props, today most are flying RJ's and sophisticated turboporps!

Flip flops and cut offs.

What people think is ok now is just beyond words.

Also, prior to deregulation, major airlines did not just go out of business. If there was a "sick" airline it was often forced into a merger.

[Edited 2005-11-04 17:05:32]

User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5907 times:

Quoting ToTheStars (Reply 4):
I think in 1975 the World Trade Center towers had just been completed...Imagine telling someone that two future airliners piloted by terrorists would be flown into them causing them both to collapse.

Actually, the Twin Towers were completed, I believe, in 1970 & 1972; but nonetheless your point is still valid.

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 1):
Sorry boys, no Pan Am flight to the moon.

More like no PanAm (the original) PERIOD! Also TWA, Western & Eastern would be gone.

Quoting Mainliner (Reply 3):
737's across the Pacific (US mainland to Hawaii, at least)

Who does that? I was under the impression that nothing smaller than a 757 was used for passenger service.

A few other shockers/surprises:

Boeing would merge with McDonnell-Douglas and offer a MDD derivative (717-200) for a brief period.

737s would be used for transcontinental flights.

Glass cockpits.

Smoking banned on all domestic flights.

The T.V. show Airline.

Regional Jets (or RJs) doing routes normally handled by DC-9s, 732s, and/or BAC111s. Back then, if one said "RJ"; they were usually referring to the R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company.

No super jumbo aircraft available for commercial service until 2008-2010.



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineToTheStars From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5886 times:

In 1975 the NW DC-9 you just boarded would be the same DC-9 you boarded in 2005....sorry NW...LOL...couldnt resist.


TWA-Airline To the Stars
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5876 times:

Quoting ToTheStars (Reply 8):
In 1975 the NW DC-9 you just boarded would be the same DC-9 you boarded in 2005....sorry NW...LOL...couldnt resist.

NW did not fly the DC-9 in '75. They came to NW with the RC merger.


User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2988 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5852 times:

They would notice a cabin full of passengers. 1975 US airlines were not de-regulated yet and were flying many routes with 25% load factors and ticket prices to match the cost of operating near empty airplanes.
I was on a BN flight about that time frame JFK-IAD-OKC-COS myself and 2 other passengers on a 27. Many flights you just picked most any seat as there were few passengers.

Okie


User currently offlineHals From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5816 times:

Hmm...I think flares are still in, big collars etc. Kipper ties, mullets... Big grin

User currently offlineVegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5680 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 7):
Quoting Mainliner (Reply 3):
737's across the Pacific (US mainland to Hawaii, at least)

Who does that? I was under the impression that nothing smaller than a 757 was used for passenger service.

Aloaha Airlines, from SNA, SAN, BUR, LAS, RNO, to HNL, all of those were/are served by 737-700's with winglets. I believe that the LAS-HNL flight was the longest I have ever been on in a 737.


User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3253 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5622 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 9):
NW did not fly the DC-9 in '75. They came to NW with the RC merger.

In '75, I think NW only flew 707s, 727s, 747s, and DC10s. Those Hughes Airwest bananas flying around at the time would eventually be wearing NW colors some 12 years laters....and by flying around some 20+ years after that! They would evolve into Northwest's Signature fleet type.

[Edited 2005-11-04 21:04:46]


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User currently offlineTaromA380 From Romania, joined Sep 2005, 334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5620 times:

99) Airbus will have > 50% marketshare.  Smile




What marketshare had Airbus in '75 ? 1% ? 2% ? Big grin


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7403 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5616 times:

January 1975 : British Airways inaugurate its first shuttle service London-Glasgow

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March 1975 : First test flight for the Yak-42

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March 1975 : First test flight for the STOL Dash 7 from De Havilland Canada.

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Avril 1975 : French President Valery Giscard D'Estaing inaugurates the new LYON SATOLAS Airport.

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Avril 1975 : Danièle Décuré becomes the first female pilot on Airbus A300 (Air France)

Mai 1975 : British Airways and Air New Zealand open a codeshare service London-Auckland via LAX with a DC-10

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June 1975 : German charter airline "Germanair" operates its first Airbus A300B4

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July 1975 : First test flight for the B747SP

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July 1975 : The last Constellation (F-ZVMV) in service in France is retired from service and offered to "Le Bourget Air & Space museum "

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August 1975 : JAL creates Japan Asia Airways to operate flights to Taïwan

November 1975 : SABENA inaugurates a flight to Singapore, via Vienna/Abu Dhabi/Bangkok

December 1975 : The 10th and Last Dassault Mercure (F-BTTJ) is delivered to the French Domestic airline AIR INTER.

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December 1975 : The Concorde cn 205, F-BVFA, is delivered to Air France. The aircraft is the first to wear the new AF livery.

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December 1975 : Aeroflot introduces the supersonic Tu-144 on the line Moscow - Alma Ata ...

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User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5507 times:

Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 14):
Airbus will have > 50% marketshare.

That in 2005 Airbus would still be asking for launch aid  Wink


User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5474 times:

 eyepopping   footinmouth   eyepopping 

Internet onboard ( try to explain that 30 years ago!)

PrivatAir flying for LH,LX and KL
.
John Travolta and the 707 ( or is it a 720?)

Flights between China and Taiwan

Malev,LOt,CSA,Aeroflot,Balkan flying western built airplanes.

Wait five more years for the creation of America West, and then 25 years
more for the merger with US Airways,wich merged with Piedmont in 1987(88?).

Year 1975, the creation of Crossair ( they'll never believe me if I tell them about the future of this company!)

USADreamliner  wave 


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5426 times:

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 17):
Wait five more years for the creation of America West

America West started in 1983, some 8 years after 1975.

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 17):
then 25 years
more for the merger with US Airways,wich merged with Piedmont in 1987(88?).

The USAir name wouldn't come along until some 4 years later; late Sept. of 1979; prior to that, the airline was still Allegheny.

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 17):
John Travolta and the 707 ( or is it a 720?)

What? Vinne Barbarino would have his own plane?



"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
User currently offlineMakeMinesLAX From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5410 times:

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 13):
Those Hughes Airwest bananas flying around at the time would eventually be wearing NW colors some 12 years laters....and by flying around some 20+ years after that!

As I recall, my fourth flight ever was LAS-GCN on a RW DC9 in 1975. It brought back lots of memories seeing an NW DC9 with an N93xx registration in EWR last year.


User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5359 times:

That a world community would all be yapping about civil aviation on something called the internet using personal computers!

User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3517 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5344 times:

Flying being cheaper than taking the train!

While it is true that the real progress seems to look small, nobody should forget that a 787 is much more advanced airplane than the 747-100.

FBW, glass cockpits, satellite communication, all these things have made it much easier to fly. And don't forget traffic growth. Today Fra has more than 50mio passengers. In the 70s it were maybe 10million. This is a huge difference.


User currently offlineSkydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 964 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5227 times:

1975:
Flying was a fun (and usually infrequent) experience people would pay a lot for
Customer was important
Service mattered
Airline reputation mattered
Food, drinks and space were plentiful
Almost all pax would dress decently for a flight
Concorde was a symbol of aviation technology marvels just around the corner

2005:
Flying is a frustrating experience which some people try to avoid
Shareholders only thing that matters
Food? drinks? space? That's what first class is for
Customers are simply a business inconvenience
Many pax dress and act like pigs (or worse)
Lockheed gone
McDD gone
Concorde a museum display item




LD4



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4537 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5214 times:

Can anyone post airline ticket prices from 1975? I mean actual dollars paid not the rate adjusted for inflation. I think it would be cool to compare rates from 1975 to 2005.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5191 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 23):
Can anyone post airline ticket prices from 1975? I mean actual dollars paid not the rate adjusted for inflation. I think it would be cool to compare rates from 1975 to 2005.

Here are some sample one way fares (in '74 dollars) from the BN Winter/Spring 1974 Schedule:

ACA-ORD F $177.00 Y 139.50
EZE-DFW F $584.00 Y 396.00
ORD-DFW F $90.00 Y $69.00
DFW-DTW F $ 108.00 Y $83.00
DFW-MSP F 98.00 Y 73.00
DFW-JFK F 140.00 Y 107.00

Hope this helps.


25 Alessandro : Aeroflot buying Western aircraft like Boeing and Airbus, that the AN-225 flew commercial goods, the demise of the 3-holers would certainly rise a few
26 Post contains links Indy : Those first class prices are great. BTW $80 in 1974 would be $315 today. Got that rate here... http://minneapolisfed.org/Research/data/us/calc/index.c
27 Planespotting : Southwest Airlines would become the most successful and profitable airline in history, and have service to 50+ cities by 2005.
28 Threepoint : If you found the right geeks at certain academic institutions, you may have had some success. The internet was created in 1969 as a way for otherwise
29 Dtwclipper : I would say that is a bit over stated.
30 BoomBoom : Personal computers did not exist in 1969.
31 Dtwclipper : Threepoint is talking about ARPANET: The precursor to the Internet, ARPANET was a large wide-area network created by the United States Defense Advanc
32 Isua380b777 : What about A.net???????? I am sure no one in 1975 knew about this wonderful place
33 FURUREFA : Those are one way... that would be $630 r/t. Mat
34 Post contains images JFKLGANYC : Wow . . . what a great thread!!!! I was just looking in a 1982 encyclopedia . . . now I know it's 6 years later but u get the idea. Worlds Busiest Air
35 Alessandro : JFK, sure not Moscow wasn´t included, flying in Sovietunion was inexpensive...
36 PM : Really? It's AF/KLM surely. (And THAT is even more surprising!)
37 Planespotting : the numbers don't lie. 20+ years of consecutive profits are nothing any other airline has ever done in a deregulated environment. Economics alone pro
38 Stirling : Not exactly 1975, but from the same era. Memorable flights I've taken with near empty loads....I've somewhat of a savant...numbers stick out in my mi
39 Jmc1975 : Yeah, but Al Gore was alive then. Are you sure? The first 767s didn't come out until 1982.
40 PHLBOS : Maybe he meant to say 727-200.
41 JAM747 : I agree with you. I think aviation advanced technologically more between 1945 to 1975 than from 1975 to 2005. Ironically I think WWII and the cold wa
42 Post contains links Logan22L : No, but the origins of the internet were on academic networks, not personal computers: http://www.isoc.org/internet/history/brief.shtml#Initial_Conce
43 FlyPIJets : 1. Eastern and Pan Am both gone. 2. No DC-anything in production. 3. 747 still queen of the skies, even though her rival is on its way. 4. Low Cost Ca
44 Post contains links and images Lightsaber : I can't believe everyone forgot this one: A Starbucks at *every* airport! DEN! Come on people! Construction started in 1989! Opened 1995. From: http:/
45 PHLBOS : Your post reminded me of a couple other goodies: At PHL, the newly built International Terminal (then known as just 'A'); will not open for another 1
46 Stirling : And United didn't serve DFW in 1978! So, I was wrong on so many levels!! It was 1982, within weeks of entry into service, it's why I booked the fligh
47 Post contains images WesternA318 : At least now you dont have Charleton Heston trying to climb in the smashed open cockpit of an ex-AA 747-100 doing IAD-SLC...
48 Melpax : Another one............ Web check-in
49 Bobnwa : AA is still the largest carrier.
50 AirxLiban : And after early troubles the RB211 proves to be one of the most popular engines of all time...
51 SolarWind : How about this..What would the folks back in 1975 think of THIS !...American Airlines and Vietnam Airlines enter into Code Share...AA will fly passeng
52 Post contains images Lightsaber : If you exclude its first five or so years, also the most reliable! Damn... and I'm a Pratt fan!
53 Bistro1200 : � Live satellite TV. � Polar routes. � Fortress hubs. � Reservation agents in India. � That those lovely 25 year old stewarde
54 GoldenArgosy : Then: Playboy Now: Virgin Then: L1011 Now: 911 Then: PSA Now: TSA Then: Jet Set Now: Jet Blue
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