SolarWind From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 66 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5455 times:
I think as similar thread was on the Net some time ago..but I cant find it....So...If you could travel back in time 30 years to 1975...and you spoke to Airline people then what could you say about the Industry of 2005 that would Shock them?..Heres a few..1.A new TWO engine plane would be able to fly 7000 to 8000 mi. Non Stop...2...5 out of the 6 largest US Airlines would take a trip thru Chap. 11..3.The two great US Flag carriers of the 70s..Pan Am, and TWA would be out of Business..4..AA would be the largest Airline in the world..and the largest US carrier in MIA,LHR, and South America (AA didnt have a single flight to any of these in the 70s)..5. CO would be flying NS to PEK and DEL from EWR with a Twin engine plane.no less....What else?..later SW
USADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5416 times:
First, Thank you for remind me that I am 30!!!
Sorry boys, no Pan Am flight to the moon.
Airlines offering only peanuts during flight.
OneWorld and Star Alliance.
Aeroflot flying Airbus and Boeing!
There's no flying cars...yet.
Airlines still flying DC-9,707,747-100 and 737-200.
Air France and KLM merger.
Bye, bye Swissair and Sabena.
Emirates.
E-ticket.
Osaka-Kansai Airport.
Hong Kong New york nonstop.
Singapore LAX and New York nonstop.
IFE,PTV's on Economy CLass!
Braniff 1 is gone, Braniff 2 is gone too.
Virgin Atlantic
RedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4175 posts, RR: 30 Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5377 times:
Quoting SolarWind (Thread starter): and you spoke to Airline people then what could you say about the Industry of 2005 that would Shock them?.
I hate to disappoint you, but I think their shock would emanate not from what modern aircraft can do or what the state of various airlines are but, rather, from how little progress we've made technologically. Despite the fact that 1975 was somewhat of a "doom-and-gloom" period with people claiming we were running out of global oil and food, aviation was the one bright spot. I think they would be surprised at how little airplanes have in fact changed - despite great performances on just two engines, they are still for the most part an aluminum tube with wings. Perhaps they might be impressed with the composite construction just around the corner (787/350) but they would be surprised that the planes still look the same and fly the same.
Mainliner From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 366 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5377 times:
Deregulation
737's across the Pacific (US mainland to Hawaii, at least)
No supersonic aircraft
Abysmal service
30 inch seat pitch in economy
Alliances
Automated call-centers
Online booking
Eurowhite color schemes
ToTheStars From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 262 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5335 times:
I think in 1975 the World Trade Center towers had just been completed...Imagine telling someone that two future airliners piloted by terrorists would be flown into them causing them both to collapse.
Ken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7442 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5329 times:
The impact of FF programs with people flying in First even though they bought a cheap ticket.
The quality of the food - it actually used to be pretty good in those days.
The level of security that is required just to board a plane.
Not being able to let kids up front to see what it's like - many a future pilot lost on that one.
PHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7253 posts, RR: 25 Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5266 times:
Quoting ToTheStars (Reply 4): I think in 1975 the World Trade Center towers had just been completed...Imagine telling someone that two future airliners piloted by terrorists would be flown into them causing them both to collapse.
Actually, the Twin Towers were completed, I believe, in 1970 & 1972; but nonetheless your point is still valid.
More like no PanAm (the original) PERIOD! Also TWA, Western & Eastern would be gone.
Quoting Mainliner (Reply 3): 737's across the Pacific (US mainland to Hawaii, at least)
Who does that? I was under the impression that nothing smaller than a 757 was used for passenger service.
A few other shockers/surprises:
Boeing would merge with McDonnell-Douglas and offer a MDD derivative (717-200) for a brief period.
737s would be used for transcontinental flights.
Glass cockpits.
Smoking banned on all domestic flights.
The T.V. show Airline.
Regional Jets (or RJs) doing routes normally handled by DC-9s, 732s, and/or BAC111s. Back then, if one said "RJ"; they were usually referring to the R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company.
No super jumbo aircraft available for commercial service until 2008-2010.
"TransEastern! You'll feel like you've never left the ground because we treat you like dirt!" SNL Parady ad circa 1981
ToTheStars From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 262 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5245 times:
In 1975 the NW DC-9 you just boarded would be the same DC-9 you boarded in 2005....sorry NW...LOL...couldnt resist.
Okie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2355 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5211 times:
They would notice a cabin full of passengers. 1975 US airlines were not de-regulated yet and were flying many routes with 25% load factors and ticket prices to match the cost of operating near empty airplanes.
I was on a BN flight about that time frame JFK-IAD-OKC-COS myself and 2 other passengers on a 27. Many flights you just picked most any seat as there were few passengers.
Vegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5039 times:
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 7): Quoting Mainliner (Reply 3):
737's across the Pacific (US mainland to Hawaii, at least)
Who does that? I was under the impression that nothing smaller than a 757 was used for passenger service.
Aloaha Airlines, from SNA, SAN, BUR, LAS, RNO, to HNL, all of those were/are served by 737-700's with winglets. I believe that the LAS-HNL flight was the longest I have ever been on in a 737.
Jmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3159 posts, RR: 17 Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4981 times:
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 9): NW did not fly the DC-9 in '75. They came to NW with the RC merger.
In '75, I think NW only flew 707s, 727s, 747s, and DC10s. Those Hughes Airwest bananas flying around at the time would eventually be wearing NW colors some 12 years laters....and by flying around some 20+ years after that! They would evolve into Northwest's Signature fleet type.
PHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7253 posts, RR: 25 Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4785 times:
Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 17): Wait five more years for the creation of America West
America West started in 1983, some 8 years after 1975.
Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 17): then 25 years
more for the merger with US Airways,wich merged with Piedmont in 1987(88?).
The USAir name wouldn't come along until some 4 years later; late Sept. of 1979; prior to that, the airline was still Allegheny.
MakeMinesLAX From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 516 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4769 times:
Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 13): Those Hughes Airwest bananas flying around at the time would eventually be wearing NW colors some 12 years laters....and by flying around some 20+ years after that!
As I recall, my fourth flight ever was LAS-GCN on a RW DC9 in 1975. It brought back lots of memories seeing an NW DC9 with an N93xx registration in EWR last year.
TheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3347 posts, RR: 30 Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4703 times:
Flying being cheaper than taking the train!
While it is true that the real progress seems to look small, nobody should forget that a 787 is much more advanced airplane than the 747-100.
FBW, glass cockpits, satellite communication, all these things have made it much easier to fly. And don't forget traffic growth. Today Fra has more than 50mio passengers. In the 70s it were maybe 10million. This is a huge difference.
Skydrol From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 859 posts, RR: 11 Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4586 times:
1975:
Flying was a fun (and usually infrequent) experience people would pay a lot for
Customer was important
Service mattered
Airline reputation mattered
Food, drinks and space were plentiful
Almost all pax would dress decently for a flight
Concorde was a symbol of aviation technology marvels just around the corner
2005:
Flying is a frustrating experience which some people try to avoid
Shareholders only thing that matters
Food? drinks? space? That's what first class is for
Customers are simply a business inconvenience
Many pax dress and act like pigs (or worse)
Lockheed gone
McDD gone
Concorde a museum display item
Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4368 posts, RR: 9 Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4573 times:
Can anyone post airline ticket prices from 1975? I mean actual dollars paid not the rate adjusted for inflation. I think it would be cool to compare rates from 1975 to 2005.
Dtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4550 times:
Quoting Indy (Reply 23): Can anyone post airline ticket prices from 1975? I mean actual dollars paid not the rate adjusted for inflation. I think it would be cool to compare rates from 1975 to 2005.
Here are some sample one way fares (in '74 dollars) from the BN Winter/Spring 1974 Schedule:
ACA-ORD F $177.00 Y 139.50
EZE-DFW F $584.00 Y 396.00
ORD-DFW F $90.00 Y $69.00
DFW-DTW F $ 108.00 Y $83.00
DFW-MSP F 98.00 Y 73.00
DFW-JFK F 140.00 Y 107.00
Hope this helps.
25 Alessandro: Aeroflot buying Western aircraft like Boeing and Airbus, that the AN-225 flew commercial goods, the demise of the 3-holers would certainly rise a few
26 Indy: Those first class prices are great. BTW $80 in 1974 would be $315 today. Got that rate here... http://minneapolisfed.org/Research/data/us/calc/index.c
27 Planespotting: Southwest Airlines would become the most successful and profitable airline in history, and have service to 50+ cities by 2005.
28 Threepoint: If you found the right geeks at certain academic institutions, you may have had some success. The internet was created in 1969 as a way for otherwise
29 Dtwclipper: I would say that is a bit over stated.
30 BoomBoom: Personal computers did not exist in 1969.
31 Dtwclipper: Threepoint is talking about ARPANET: The precursor to the Internet, ARPANET was a large wide-area network created by the United States Defense Advanc
32 Isua380b777: What about A.net???????? I am sure no one in 1975 knew about this wonderful place
33 FURUREFA: Those are one way... that would be $630 r/t. Mat
34 JFKLGANYC: Wow . . . what a great thread!!!! I was just looking in a 1982 encyclopedia . . . now I know it's 6 years later but u get the idea. Worlds Busiest Air
35 Alessandro: JFK, sure not Moscow wasn´t included, flying in Sovietunion was inexpensive...
36 PM: Really? It's AF/KLM surely. (And THAT is even more surprising!)
37 Planespotting: the numbers don't lie. 20+ years of consecutive profits are nothing any other airline has ever done in a deregulated environment. Economics alone pro
38 Stirling: Not exactly 1975, but from the same era. Memorable flights I've taken with near empty loads....I've somewhat of a savant...numbers stick out in my mi
39 Jmc1975: Yeah, but Al Gore was alive then. Are you sure? The first 767s didn't come out until 1982.
41 JAM747: I agree with you. I think aviation advanced technologically more between 1945 to 1975 than from 1975 to 2005. Ironically I think WWII and the cold wa
42 Logan22L: No, but the origins of the internet were on academic networks, not personal computers: http://www.isoc.org/internet/history/brief.shtml#Initial_Conce
43 FlyPIJets: 1. Eastern and Pan Am both gone. 2. No DC-anything in production. 3. 747 still queen of the skies, even though her rival is on its way. 4. Low Cost Ca
44 Lightsaber: I can't believe everyone forgot this one: A Starbucks at *every* airport! DEN! Come on people! Construction started in 1989! Opened 1995. From: http:/
45 PHLBOS: Your post reminded me of a couple other goodies: At PHL, the newly built International Terminal (then known as just 'A'); will not open for another 1
46 Stirling: And United didn't serve DFW in 1978! So, I was wrong on so many levels!! It was 1982, within weeks of entry into service, it's why I booked the fligh
47 WesternA318: At least now you dont have Charleton Heston trying to climb in the smashed open cockpit of an ex-AA 747-100 doing IAD-SLC...
50 AirxLiban: And after early troubles the RB211 proves to be one of the most popular engines of all time...
51 SolarWind: How about this..What would the folks back in 1975 think of THIS !...American Airlines and Vietnam Airlines enter into Code Share...AA will fly passeng
52 Lightsaber: If you exclude its first five or so years, also the most reliable! Damn... and I'm a Pratt fan!
53 Bistro1200: � Live satellite TV. � Polar routes. � Fortress hubs. � Reservation agents in India. � That those lovely 25 year old stewarde
54 GoldenArgosy: Then: Playboy Now: Virgin Then: L1011 Now: 911 Then: PSA Now: TSA Then: Jet Set Now: Jet Blue
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