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Google Founders Buy A 762 From Qantas  
User currently offlineAirNaskar380 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 27 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10793 times:

Here's the link:

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB113107413091988208-


The article states basically:

Mr. Page says his plane will hold about 50 passengers when its refurbishment is complete. A top Gulfstream business jet typically carries 15 or fewer. He declines to give other details. People in the aviation industry familiar with the planned interior say it will have a sitting area, two staterooms with adjoining lavatories and a shower. Farther aft will be a large sitting-and-dining area. At the rear will be 12 to 16 first-class seats for guests or employees and a large galley.

[Edited 2005-11-04 16:41:33]

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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4660 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10685 times:

Good article. They're also smart if they bought it from QF, because QF have an excellent reputation on the used aircraft market. The planes are usually in very good condition and require minimal attention to get back into the air.

Trent.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10642 times:

I read the WSJ article this morning and was actually impressed Brin and Page purchased this aircraft privately; GOOG has not spent a dime on the acquisition.

Does anyone know if the aircraft is a 767-200ER, or simply a non-ER model?


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8630 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10517 times:
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Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 2):
Does anyone know if the aircraft is a 767-200ER, or simply a non-ER model?

all QF 767s were/are ER models



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User currently offlineFlyingHippo From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 711 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10406 times:

Heard it on CNBC this morning, the purchase price is $15 Million, and after the remodeling, it will cost $40 million total...

Good for them!! Lucky bastards.... hee hee...


User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10198 times:

Flying a used 767 with a functional but not lavish VIP interior would cost an average of about $13,000 per flight-hour, compared with $7,850 for a Gulfstream V, according to Conklin & deDecker Aviation Information.

As for what they plan to do with it, Mr. Page wouldn't be specific. He says "part of the equation for this sort of machinery is to be able to take large numbers of people to places such as Africa. I think that can only be good for the world."

The purchase of a wide-body jet for personal use might seem at odds with the Google founders' support for environmental causes. The company gives employees $5,000 if they buy hybrid gas-electric cars, for example.


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10024 times:

Cool. So now the question is, will it have a boring corporate jet livery, or perhaps the multicolored "Google" logo in billboard letters across the sides? I'm sure someone here can come up with a Photoshop rendering...  Smile


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User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9806 times:

I did a bit of investigation to see how far Brin and Page could fly non-stop with their new toy, the 767-238ER. QF's 762ER's are powered by the PW4056 and have a range of 12,269km (6625nm). According to Great Cirlce Mapper, this would allow the duo to fly nonstop on routes such as:

SFO-LHR 5367 mi
SFO-GRU 6472 mi
SFO-EZE 6451 mi
SFO-SCL 5906 mi
SFO-NRT 5124 mi
SFO-CDG 5583 mi
SFO-FCO 6264 mi

Some of these flights appear to be on the outer threshold of the aircraft's performance limits.

Unfortunately, nonstop flights to JNB from SFO are outside the 767-238ER's performance envelope.


User currently offlineTrolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9701 times:

Does anyone know what the former QF registration of the 762 is? Wonder if QF will be using it for promotional tours, like the Travolta 707, 50 years form now?

User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9575 times:

The article is now available on the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, no subscription required.

[Edited 2005-11-04 22:22:36]

User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8630 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9533 times:
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Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 7):
I did a bit of investigation to see how far Brin and Page could fly non-stop with their new toy, the 767-238ER. QF's 762ER's are powered by the PW4056



Hi Pdpsol

no offense but are you sure about the PW4056 - QF's 200ERs were early build a/c and I was pretty sure that they were JT9D's .



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User currently offlineGoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9449 times:

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 7):
I did a bit of investigation to see how far Brin and Page could fly non-stop with their new toy, the 767-238ER. QF's 762ER's are powered by the PW4056 and have a range of 12,269km (6625nm). According to Great Cirlce Mapper, this would allow the duo to fly nonstop on routes such as:

SFO-LHR 5367 mi
SFO-GRU 6472 mi
SFO-EZE 6451 mi
SFO-SCL 5906 mi
SFO-NRT 5124 mi
SFO-CDG 5583 mi
SFO-FCO 6264 mi

Some of these flights appear to be on the outer threshold of the aircraft's performance limits.

Unfortunately, nonstop flights to JNB from SFO are outside the 767-238ER's performance envelope.

No doubt in a VIP configuration, weight would be low and they could get more range, plus they could add some more fuel tanks, perhaps.



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2469 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9293 times:

Quote:

He says there's no plan for Google to reimburse the duo for its costs. A Google spokesman says the plane has no formal connection with the company.

So there's not going to be a Google livery?



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User currently offlineUniuniunium From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8564 times:

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 7):
I did a bit of investigation to see how far Brin and Page could fly non-stop with their new toy, the 767-238ER. QF's 762ER's are powered by the PW4056 and have a range of 12,269km (6625nm). According to Great Cirlce Mapper, this would allow the duo to fly nonstop on routes such as:

I would imagine the effective range to be quite a big greater, since it will carry much less payload than if it were in airline service.


User currently offlineAmy From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 1150 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8468 times:

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 7):
I did a bit of investigation to see how far Brin and Page could fly non-stop with their new toy, the 767-238ER. QF's 762ER's are powered by the PW4056 and have a range of 12,269km (6625nm).

The 767-238/ER is equipped with PW JT9D-7R4E with 50,00lbs each.

I believe all QFs 762s were the same.



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User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8414 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 10):
no offense but are you sure about the PW4056 - QF's 200ERs were early build a/c and I was pretty sure that they were JT9D's

No offense taken; my source is the a.net aircraft specs database, which lists the following engines offered on the 762ER:

767-200ER
PW4050 222.4kN (50,000lb)
PW4052 231kN (52,000lb)
PW4056 252.4kN (56,750lb)
CF680C2B4Fs 257.7kN (57,900lb)

Obviously, QF's examples fly with the Pratt & Whitney engines, not the GE CF6s, and the database only lists the JT9D7R4D as having been offered on the 767-200 [non-ER].

Quite a sweet plane these dudes will be flying around in. Also, if the aircraft's weight in VIP-format is lower than a typical two-class passenger layout, no doubt its stated range performance can be enhanced.


User currently offlineQFATWA From New Zealand, joined Jun 1999, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8408 times:

I did the research via the FAA site.

The aircraft is former VH-EAQ (newest of the QF 762 fleet and most recent to be retired) - c/n 23896.

New registration: N2767

The owners are listed as:

BLUE CITY HOLDINGS LLC
555 BRYANT ST # 347
PALO ALTO CA 94301-1704


User currently offlineBoeingfanyyz From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7355 times:

Wow! I'll take their word for it when they say it is a smart investment, but I don't know! When are they going to be traveling to places like Tokyo, Heathrow, or Buenos Aires? They'll only probably use it for domestic travel in the US anyways. Besides that, if I had the money I would have a 744 on order! Wonder what the cost would be to outfit that bad boy!!!  Smile
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User currently offlineT7cvg From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7183 times:

Let me get this straight, you think buying a 762 is a bad idea for mainly domestic travel but you would buy a 744 for the same reason?

User currently offlineACdreamliner From UK - Scotland, joined May 2005, 520 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6748 times:

they could paint it white with a 'g' infront of the windows and a 'gle' at then aft of them so it would look like goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooogle

just a thought

Gav



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User currently offlineShane From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5761 times:

Gav: If they saw that brilliant idea, I bet they'd do it.

User currently offlinePawsleykat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1978 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5431 times:

Where do I sign up. I want a plane!  Smile  thumbsup 


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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5869 posts, RR: 39
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4941 times:

aircraft was Boeing 767-238 VH-EAQ now with Blue City which is barely a 5 minute drive from the Google campus.


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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4439 times:

Quoting Boeingfanyyz (Reply 17):
Wonder what the cost would be to outfit that bad boy!!

A lot, but not as much as you might think.

There is a company (or two, but one specifically) which does 767 conversions from used passenger examples so they have the experience. I recall seeing them doing a 763 for an Arab company a while back, the designers being a couple of women who have a global reputation for work like that. So they know what goes where and what is possible already.

I think they did the one for Roman Abramovitch which is a classy looking bird!


User currently offlinePawsleykat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1978 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4018 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 23):
I recall seeing them doing a 763 for an Arab company a while back, the designers being a couple of women who have a global reputation for work like that. So they know what goes where and what is possible already.

I was watching that program on TV half an hour ago. They were doing up a 737-700, I think



First Class passengers are my favourites. They can't get any further forward without an ATPL.
25 Post contains links and images United_Fan : I read in USA Today that Google's founder donated $100 Mill to charity,so I think he can afford a used 762 http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/20...1-03
26 Post contains images Boeingfanyyz : Brian, If I had the money, I would get the biggest hunk of metal out there! Cheers, Boeingfanyyz
27 Post contains images 777STL : So now that the Google guys have a 767, I guess Paul Allen will have to upgrade from his two 757s. T73 anyone?
28 Pdpsol : Guys, I just got a very nice message from a non-member a.net enthusiast. He states all QF 767-238's "were ER's and all were powered by P&W JT9D-7R4E e
29 Post contains images BBJII : I deal with a 762ER (cannot reveal info sorry ) With it's Extra Tanks/Light Load it can fly upto 21hours endurance! we've done LAX - NBO several time
30 Post contains images BBJII : They are also looking for the registration : G-OGLE too. Any info who's doing the interior? Maybe LH in FRA? Anyone?
31 Post contains images 777klm : Small... but vissible
32 Ikramerica : As others have stated, once a jet is converted to private use with limited payload and performance tweaks, those range figures go out the window. thi
33 AMSSFO : Just read the link provided by the Thread starter:
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