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Paris Riots, Is It Safe To Fly To CDG/Orly?  
User currently offlinePomnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9444 times:

Considering the heavy riots in France, is it safe to fly via Paris or should one avoid? Any inputs welcome, since we have friends flying via CDG and would like to re-route them in case suggested.

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User currently offlineTheSorcerer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 1048 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9423 times:

I'd say so. I don't think the rioters will get into the airports and they don't have any SAMs (AFAIK  Wink)

The Sorcerer



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User currently offlineCrazyHorse From Austria, joined Nov 2005, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9416 times:

No problems, the riots aren't at the airports, when your friend´s don´t visit the suburbs there will be no danger.

User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9383 times:

If they don't take the "local" RER, they won't even stop in the suburbs and go nonstop from Parc des Expositions to Gare du Nord.


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User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9375 times:

Here you can see the power of medias.
There is no revolution in France, just a few idiots burning their neighboor's cars.


User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2190 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9365 times:

As long as you avoid the Seine Saint-Denis department and Clichy you'll be alright.

The Pantheon is however very dangerous with the proximity of a jerk.


User currently offlineAither From South Korea, joined Oct 2004, 858 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9356 times:

What the hell do you believe what is happening ?

It is like saying is it safe to fly via JFK because of what's happening in the Bronx ?

Is is safe to fly via DEL because of the tension between Pakistan and India ?

So the answer is it is absolutely safe. Media make these events much bigger than they actually are.



Never trust the obvious
User currently offlineParisien From France, joined Dec 2000, 821 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9354 times:

well, the unrest is dissipating and was very localized. it did not affect the airport. You can transfer at CDG no problem, or take a trip to the city from there (yes, the city was and is safe too). Enjoy CDG.

User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9353 times:

Quoting Runway23 (Reply 5):
The Pantheon is however very dangerous with the proximity of a jerk.

I don't get this one ...


User currently offlineTheSorcerer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 1048 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9340 times:

Hasn't rioting started in Bordeaux as well?

The Sorcerer



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User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5293 posts, RR: 61
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9325 times:

I suggest you avoid Paris. The whole city is burning and rumours about the riots spreading to the foot of the Eiffel tower tonight are rife. After all, CNN and Sky know best...

[Edited 2005-11-05 12:53:23]


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User currently offlineCrazyHorse From Austria, joined Nov 2005, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9319 times:

Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 9):
Hasn't rioting started in Bordeaux as well?

I don´t think so, the riots were going to other towns like Lille and Montreuil, but from Bordeaux I haven´t read anything in the Internet today.


User currently offlineTheSorcerer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 1048 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9310 times:

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13457760,00.html
OMG that's terrible.
I hope the police come down harder on rioters.

The Sorcerer



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User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2758 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9299 times:

Quoting Pomnath (Thread starter):
Considering the heavy riots in France, is it safe to fly via Paris or should one avoid? Any inputs welcome, since we have friends flying via CDG and would like to re-route them in case suggested.

Don't worry my friend. I've been living in France (Toulouse) for 3 years now and feel no danger! I'll be transferring at CDG as well next week and am not the slightest bit worried. My sister-in-law lives in central Paris and hasn't seen a single problem yet there. You'll be fine.

Quoting Teahan (Reply 10):
I suggest you avoid Paris. The whole city is burning and rumours about the riots spreading to the foot of the Eiffel tower tonight are rife. After all, the CNN and Sky know best...

That is a bit of saracsm Teahan, I hope



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User currently offlineGlideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1611 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9290 times:

Quoting Aither (Reply 6):
It is like saying is it safe to fly via JFK because of what's happening in the Bronx ?

Um, excuse me, but there were no problems in the Bronx while I was there last week?

Oh, I see, a hypothetical remark? Such as, would it be safe if there were a problem in the Bronx?

Thanks for clearing that up.  Smile

Just goes to show that these types of issues are a global problem not limited to any one nation.  Smile



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User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2190 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 9278 times:

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 13):
Quoting Teahan (Reply 10):
I suggest you avoid Paris. The whole city is burning and rumours about the riots spreading to the foot of the Eiffel tower tonight are rife. After all, the CNN and Sky know best...

That is a bit of saracsm Teahan, I hope

Not so sure of that. I also note that since Teahan has moved to Paris riots have started and things have gone bad. My solution is simply: oust him from Paris.


User currently offlinePomnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9191 times:

Please give me a serious answer? Over here we see terrible things on BBC about the problems in Paris, and it seems as though there are fires all over.

Quoting Aither (Reply 6):
Is is safe to fly via DEL because of the tension between Pakistan and India ?

I am not comparing, nor am I going to get drawn into comparisions please, or generalisations. Please appreciate, for those of us living a continent away, it is difficult to make out if television is over-reporting or under-reporting. And nine days of riots is too much by any standards, even in India-Pakistan, so I ask.


User currently offlineVarig_dc10 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9178 times:

Pomnath

If I was you, I'd tell your friends to avoid CDG at all costs.

It is the worst international airport I have ever been to.

varig_dc10

PS Wouldn't concern yourself about the riots.


User currently onlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2358 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9124 times:
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Shooting and looting in the Bronx doesn't mean they shut down JFK.
It's nightly fights in Paris suburbs, it's not that whole Paris became anarchistic overnight.

Mario
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User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2758 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9106 times:

[quote=Pomnath,reply=16]Please give me a serious answer? Over here we see terrible things on BBC about the problems in Paris, and it seems as though there are fires all over.

I gave you a serious answer Pomnath, I believe it is perfectly safe your you to trasfer through CDG/ORY.

I have jestread that there was trouble for the first time on the outskirts of my own city last night, Toulouse, 7 cars set on fire in one of the cités on the outskirts, three arrest, and thankfully, by midnight, total calm had returned to the area!

Ignore what you're seeing in the media.Things always look worse, especially when you're far away. I will undoubtedly bring my pregnant wife for a stroll in this pleasant (enough) autumn day in central Toulouse without the slightest worry. Later this week I will take a flight from TLS and transfer at CDG.
In the highly unlikely event that things did get bad, rest assured I'll let you know. But I would be EXTREMELY surprised if they did. These incidnts are restricted to areas that are usually troublesome, where these sort of incidents (granted to a lesser extent) occur frequently. Sort of ghetto areas on the outskirts of big cities anywhere.

I do understand your concerns and what you say about being so far away, I remember many times in the past meeting people scared to travel to Ireland because all they saw on their TV's far away were the troubles in Northern Ireland, and having been brought up in Dublin, when things were very bad in Northern Ireland, I can assure you I never in my life saw a single incident in Dublin.

Basically, don't worry. You'll be fine.



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User currently offlinePomnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9100 times:

Quoting LH526 (Reply 18):
It's nightly fights in Paris suburbs, it's not that whole Paris became anarchistic overnight

Just looks very frightening on television, reminds one of Baghdad when the Americans were invading.

And you must agree, what with Concorde crash and terminal building falling down, we people who are just users or tourists have to think about such things. Maybe nightly fight in suburbs is normal for local people, but we are tourists, if we wanted nightly fights we would have gone somewhere else!!


User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5293 posts, RR: 61
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9097 times:

Quoting Pomnath (Reply 16):
Please give me a serious answer? Over here we see terrible things on BBC about the problems in Paris, and it seems as though there are fires all over.

Exactly what Toulouse said in reply 19.

Relax and have a nice trip (seriously).



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User currently offlineVarig_dc10 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9080 times:

Quoting Pomnath (Reply 20):
And you must agree, what with Concorde crash and terminal building falling down, we people who are just users or tourists have to think about such things. Maybe nightly fight in suburbs is normal for local people, but we are tourists, if we wanted nightly fights we would have gone somewhere else!!

Pomnath... relax... for God's sake!


User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9053 times:

Quoting Pomnath (Reply 20):
Just looks very frightening on television, reminds one of Baghdad when the Americans were invading.

You should see what images about India we have in Europe. You wouldn't stay in your own country.

Of course they show you the most impressive, that's the way they use to make money.


User currently offlineBoogyJay From France, joined May 2005, 490 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9045 times:

The only problem I could see is, by night, the train RER B which you can take to go to central Paris.

Wednesday ev' at 11pm, 30 riots threw stones at 2 cars of the train, forced the operator to leave the train (not injuring him) and stole some stuffs to at least 2 pax. As a consequence, there was a strike at 50% Thursday.

So, unless you have to take the train by night, there is absolutely nothing to worry about. If you arrive late in Paris, you better take the bus which goes through the Motorway to central Paris. I don't know though until what time the service works.

Btw, a car has been burnt 100m away from my home last night. It's very annoying for the owners.
However, it's not usual in my town and some people suggest that some will try to benefit from the situation to burn their own old car to get the insurance refund.

There might have been some problems a bit farther though, as I heard police car horns. But it was still less frequent as what you could hear in Manhattan .

[Edited 2005-11-05 14:31:27]

25 Post contains images Blondie75 : Pomnath, don't worry at all, all that is happening is very localised, in a few suburbs that you (or anyone else) would never visit anyway ! I live in
26 Varig_dc10 : Well put!
27 Beaucaire : We should consider importing Jeff Bush from Florida to have a law voted,allowing all french citizens to buy guns and shot at sight.... Seriously - TV
28 Sebolino : Actually it's true, Paris is even quite boring (Strasbourg is worse I admit).
29 Kahala777 : What exactly is happening in the Bronx? Delhi is hundreds of miles from the tensions between India and Pakistan! Paris.. a great city? If one does re
30 LH526 : By far it's not normal for us europeans to have such riots in one of the worlds most beautiful city. But every country has certain social problems. I
31 StuckInCA : It's hard for those of us who are busy and very very far away. All I have time to do is check a few "reputable" news sources once or twice a day. I j
32 Trvlr : Semantics aside, here are the facts: 1) The rioting isn't happening anywhere near where tourists ever go. 2) Yes, the situation is serious, but at the
33 Toulouse : Pomanth would you PLEASE JUST READ the posts here from us living in France (my case) and others LIVING IN PARIS and you'll see you have nothing worry
34 Post contains links and images Abrelosojos : = Very interesting analysis done by all the French. I am sure they are the white majority . I am from Liechtenstein and trust me, institutions there a
35 Petazulu : Toulouse, I agree!, What was his point? France has issues- this is clear. Perhaps France will now spend a little bit more time looking inwards to itse
36 Abrelosojos : = If only more of your countrymates felt like you and actually did something about it. All most always, what the French end up doing is lamenting in
37 Beaucaire : It's off-topic -I know - but France has never ever tackled the deep social problems that are the key to not only racial unrest but also the cause of
38 Toulouse : I totally DISAGREE with just about everything you said! And I'm NOT French, I just live here! As for France being a racist country, there is racism,
39 TomTurner : That doesn't sound very promising for the future.
40 Abrelosojos : = Haha. This is exactly the response POMNATH you will get from Europeans. Just ask the non-white foreigners in France and they will ALL tell you of h
41 Mrniji : What is your point? Justifying evil with other evil (they are bad, so we can also be bad) is a wrong strategy.. the stuff that is going on is indeed
42 Pomnath : All I want to know is whether Paris is safe or not. I regret this thread becoming a pro and anti France episode. From what I see on television as well
43 AirPacific747 : I am pretty sure that if the rioters even just as much as think about invading airports around Paris, the french military would give them a warm welc
44 Trijetman : No reason to worry; personally, I prefer those kids burn cars in their own neighbourhood rather than mugging people in central Paris late at night bec
45 Claude : Pomnath... come on... if you really want to come to Paris, you won't listen this kind of stupid talks from the media...
46 Post contains links Abrelosojos : = This is exactly the type of European white arrogance I talk about. Now Toulouse you understand my cafe comments. Anyways, Pomnath - you can transit
47 Leelaw : I thought your original question was a lot more specific: Perhaps you could provide more information. What is your "friends" nascent itinerary (origi
48 Post contains images Vanguard737 : AH the double standard! Some French get so upset with the distortive power of the media when it comes negatively to their nations' image. However, mo
49 Aither : My apologies to Pomnath for being a bit rude in my answer. I'm really pissed of to see the media coverage. It it had been a normal coverage as usual e
50 Abrelosojos : = Define "normal coverage" - the truth being shrugged off and everyone going back to their lives while discrimination continues ... until another exp
51 TaromA380 : Abrelosojos, thank you for your input, but there is no need of repeating ten times your "objective" view of the xenophobic Europe/France. Actually, th
52 Trijetman : Abrelosojos, you're mixing everything up: At the origin of the current wave of riots were three or four youngsters that while trying to run away from
53 Post contains images Mrniji : Now you know how we "Third World Bumpkins" feel everyday... yeah, the media You say that Abrelosojos mixes up.. and you are simplifying far too much
54 Sebolino : Ok, Some facts, now that you expressed your hatred. Last presidential election, LePen (extreme right, representative of the racist part of the popula
55 Post contains images Abrelosojos : = TAROM, you're confusing two things. Systematic discrimination which is institutionalized versus some white people on the streets. There is a HUGE d
56 Post contains images Abrelosojos : = Are you serious? Hahahahahahahaha ... 80% (right wing) + 20% (ultra right wing) = 100% right wing vote. 2 right wingers doing a run-off. No left-wi
57 Mrniji : You know what really annoys me about you: you permanently claim to be the good one and the others the bad one, same as the GWB Doctrine of good/bad,
58 Leelaw : Perhaps there's de facto apartheid in France right now, at least that's what the rioters/demonstrators seem to be complaining about?
59 TaromA380 : My friend, USA is a country 95% made of immigrants in a relatively short period of time, USA is a bunch of nations, France is a nation. There is noth
60 Mrniji : not only de facto buty also de jure: look at the so-called "secular law" - the best prove for existing racism.. my friends, who are Sikhs (Sebolina p
61 Shortsfa : I just returned to the US from Paris on Friday and took the RER B from Paris center to CDG. I had no trouble or worries on Friday, I do understand tha
62 Mrniji : I challenge this.. 1.) It depends on the definition of immigrants: when does one cease to be an immigrant - probably the self-perception, along with
63 TaromA380 : You are my guest to find the appropriate word instead of "nation". Anyway, I am sure you got the idea. USA is not Europe and vice versa, Christopher
64 RedFlyer : Yes, you can. Hopefully (but I doubt it), the French will learn something from this and realize not everything is as it seems in the media and, as a
65 Post contains images Abrelosojos : MRNIJI - you continue to surprise me with your elegant and well put arguments. It continues to amaze me that these white Europeans don't realize that
66 Post contains images TaromA380 : That's why USA, immediately after obtaining independence, cancelled slavery and stopped importing slaves ?
67 Abrelosojos : = I have no idea what this means. = Amen to you too. See this is what I am talking about. Every country has social problems and U.S. does too. But in
68 IberiaN : Hi! I think that what is happening in Paris is not that serious! Yes I know that maybe the scenes you watch on the TV are a little bit "scary" (Some p
69 Post contains images Mrniji : YEs, I did get you ridea, and I think I could synchronically deliver my idea that expressions, connotations are subject to a continuous discourse, th
70 Abrelosojos : = Again, what are you talking about? You fail to grasp the debate presented to you. Perhaps you're disillusional? I mean, you think TAROM will own a
71 Abrelosojos : Oh my God, the usual A vs. B debate fought alongst the lines of America vs. Europe has now globalized. Its Europe vs. Everyone else. Haha. -A. PS - =
72 Abrelosojos : = Don't say SHALOM. The French dont have a history of getting along with the Jews either. Who knows what flare up we will have next! How a country ma
73 Post contains images Mrniji : What happened to the formerly "liberal" continent? [Edited 2005-11-06 01:05:20]
74 Atmx2000 : Let's not call past segregation laws in the US apartheid shall we. SA Apartheid was in a class by itself, as it involved severe repression of the maj
75 Post contains images TaromA380 : That's why there is no african & arabic immigrant foot in Denmark, Sweden etc ... No, I only explained that immigrating in Europe and North America i
76 Abrelosojos : = You seriously have no clue do you? Look at the economic development of Scandanavian countries and see when labor was imported. And the problem is A
77 Post contains images TaromA380 : An A380-900 if possible. EA-powered. Paint in red-yellow-blue. Thank you. I really appreciate this language. No comments.
78 Abrelosojos : = See ... you get all worked out about slight language. Now feel what those poor minorities in France and continental Europe go through. -A.
79 Post contains images Mrniji : You can argue differently.. you can talk about "administrative lines".. but you may want to ask the "affected", how they define themselves.. you migh
80 B707Stu : Americans have been advised (formally) to not take the RER from CDG into town. The Russians have advised their citizens to not go into the 'suburbs.'
81 FlyMeToTheMoon : To skip the colorful political commentary - it is VERY safe to fly to CDG. RER (regional rail) in and out of Paris may be disrupted so stick with the
82 Alberchico : Not serious !!!! Do you know how angry Americans would be if this happend in a U.S. city???
83 Post contains images Abrelosojos : = Let go. Read the whole posts and you'll see the white European denial .[Edited 2005-11-06 01:46:40]
84 RedFlyer : I usually don't agree with a lot of what you say, Mrniji, but you're dead on right with that statement. Not that I'm making excuses, but after having
85 Post contains images Abrelosojos : = Wait, I am confused. Slavery and apartheid are dead in Europe   ... changing of laws does not mean changing of institutionalized racism which mean
86 Post contains images Mrniji : I think it would be boring if everyone agreed with me - it is always good to "argue".. better like this than staying in an authorative system with no
87 Trintocan : To return to the original topic, namely of transitting in CDG, it should be perfectly safe to do so. As for the riots, this is a major tragedy for Fra
88 Elvis777 : Hello all, Interesting comments to this post, specially from those living in France. I realize that this is not a very good sample set from which to m
89 TaromA380 : Colonialism is a human nature, not a 3-4 centuries period. Always, I mean ALWAYS, the powerful has made decisions over the weakest. Since the Roman e
90 Velasco : I have just listened to the news in Radio France and it seems only about 100 vehicles have been set in flames tonight plus the odd cocktail molotov. T
91 Airbazar : You know, when I immigrated to the US, the first question everyone always asked was: how do you like it here? Almost always, regardless of my answer,
92 Post contains images Mrniji : Some or the other demagogue might pick up your argument in his favor... just strange that some nations "colonized" while the others "were only coloni
93 474218 : So let be get this straight, its the 20% that voted for LePen that are rioting?
94 OzGlobal : If it were true, it would be iniquitous. However, what happened is a molotov cocktail and/ or petrol were thrown on a bus to torch it. The passengers
95 Malaysia : Its pretty safe to fly to BEY, so I guess its safe enough to CDG
96 Flybynight : I don't think so. Paris is an incredible city to visit. So much history alive and well. I was there just last month and enjoyed every moment of it. M
97 Abrelosojos : = Thanks and apologies - its just very depressing to see educated people being so out of touch with reality. = And go back to their own countries tha
98 Aither : !!! Congrats you just lost credibility on that subject. Ah, in fact there are no American Soldiers in Iraq ? Because it is normal elsewhere ? Maybe s
99 Abrelosojos : = Finally some European voices that make sense. Let me ask you something - in your opinion, why does the average European think its not a big deal an
100 Post contains links Abrelosojos : = I am going to refrain from commenting on your mad rant against America. French need to look beyond stating how superior they are compared to Americ
101 Aither : Where exactly did you read we let these things develop ? As said before if you think all of these is about racism you totally miss the point. It's ra
102 Abrelosojos : = Read? Dont worry I dont rely on just BBC, CNN, DW, Reuters, NY Times, Independent, and other Western media for the analysis. Again, read the links
103 Abrelosojos : = I am confused. How did he lose credibility? -A.
104 Elvis777 : Hello Abrelosojos, a comment on your last couple of sentences "If the French did all that you said it did ... give them all these wonderful opportunit
105 Pomnath : Originally DEL-CDG-ZRH and then onwards to JFK-SJC, now re-routed and departed a few hours ago DEL-LHR on 9w, LHR-ZRH-LHR-SFO on BA. Not at all, Sir.
106 Aither : Just by taking some rare examples of successful non white people, what do you expect to prove exactly? Also the history, everything is completely dif
107 Aither : Never said 100%. OK if is say Japanese have a lot of discipline. Do you think i mean all the japanese are well disciplined ? well no. There are a lot
108 Elvis777 : Hello Aither, I know you are trying but I am afraid it is not going well. I understand that english is not your first language but your comments do co
109 Pomnath : I would request all respected a.net interacters here to please bring this topic back to specific travel by air in and out as well as transit Paris rel
110 Post contains images Aither : Well i live in France since 30 years so shut up, i know more than you Accusing our institutions of racism is completely absurd. I believe maybe you h
111 Abrelosojos : = Give me some names. I want you to name ONE French NON WHITE elected official from mainland France. Just one. I want you also to name ONE NON WHITE
112 Abrelosojos : = Is this the attitude you bring to solve the problem? Shut up or be convinced its a problem with me. WOW. Good luck man. It is your country.
113 Post contains images Abrelosojos : = In a world of intertwined realities, and an international forum community like ours, the linkages between aviation and politics are a reality and n
114 Aither : Elvis777, I can't answer here because we have to go back to the topic. Feel free to talk to me in the non aviation discussion forum. Just wanted to sa
115 Elvis777 : Pomnath, I think that the issue has been settled. I believe that several posts have stated that traveling to cdg/orly is relatively safe. I believe th
116 Post contains images Abrelosojos : Aither, I am still waiting for those names ....
117 Pomnath : This is such conflicting advice. I mean, I have travelled through war zones in the past, but then I was aware of that. I have been to the white-supre
118 Post contains images Iwok : Everything is under control! The media is pulling your chain! There are no fires except in your minds! There are no youths running around burning thi
119 Beaucaire : This last nights (provisional..) result were about 920 cars burned,one school burned,shops devastated,200 young arrested. We defenitely have a major p
120 Semsem : >>What the poor Africans/Arabs are facing is NOTHING compared to what the Jews did. This is just the beginning until recognition and true compassion a
121 Airlittoralguy : Or perhaps are they just some crazy extremist muslims who want to have fun burning some cars and some warehouses. This night was a good one : 1025 ca
122 Post contains images MrNiji : How do you know? Are you an immigrant? Are you non-white, so can you speak from the side of the affected? I myself, as non-White, lived in the Strate
123 Post contains links FlySSC : I always thought Airliners.net was a forum about "Civil Aviation" .... To those of you who just can't stop vomiting their hate for France and French p
124 OzGlobal : I think the question needs to be treated on several levels: i) The objective facts of the economic status of immigrants in France ii) The perceptions
125 Andz : I can't believe this thread is still in civil aviation. Are the mods on holiday?
126 EmmenezMoi : Pomnath, It is as safe as ever to fly to CDG. Just avoid taking the RER into the center (which I always avoid anyway because you can get mugged even w
127 EmmenezMoi : PS: Excellent post, Ozglobal. I agree with pretty much everything you've written....
128 CarbHeatIn : Having experienced all that India has to offer, CDG should be a breeze.
129 Post contains images OHLHD : Pomnath: I´ll be going there tomorrow (MO) morning and according to some friends of mine I should avoid running through the riot-districts during nig
130 Toulouse : I know a lot of NON-WHITE FOREIGNERS here in France. So what's your point? NO I DON'T UNDERSTAND ANY OF YOUR COMMENTS Just as I've lost respect in YO
131 IberiaN : Hi! european denial?? ey abrelosojos, you don't like Europe, do you? You should check that more than 20-30% of the comments of this thread are made by
132 EmmenezMoi : PPS: After having read your earlier posts (in addition to your later ones), Abrelosojos, I must say you're a joke... And I'm being polite and restrain
133 Blondie75 : This now too long "discussion" has nothing to do with airlines. If all the above experts who are analysing - the situation of immigration in France an
134 AC320 : The discussion has gone way off from acceptable discussion in the civil aviation forum and is now archived while we take a look at those posts and use
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