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New BLR Airport Progress - Going On Well  
User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3257 posts, RR: 9
Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5295 times:

From http://epaperdaily.timesofindia.com/...ntityId=Ar00300&ViewMode=HTML&GZ=T

Does seem like the new airport is on track - thank god that s**th**d fighting with the ex-Chairman of BIAL, has not interfered in the progress of the airport.


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User currently offlineTKMCE From India, joined May 2002, 841 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5287 times:

L and T who is a stake holder in the bLR airport project has got the contract for the airside landside (excpet Terminal building) work of the HYD airport project as as well!

Incidetnally not many people know that the nw NYD and BLR airport projects will have good road connectivity with each other! The NH7 out of BLR runs by the BIAL site and also passess through the HIAL site before approaching HYD city. Even now the journey by road can be covered in about 7 1/2 hours (netween the proposed airports)!

Incidentally the new HYD airport project already has a website. URl is
www.newhyderabadairport.com

Does BIAL have one as well?


User currently offlinePlaneboy From India, joined May 2005, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 5264 times:

Quoting Nimish (Thread starter):
thank god that s**th**d fighting with the ex-Chairman of BIAL, has not interfered in the progress of the airport.

I think its a matter of judistriction. As long as state PWD has something to get its hands on, you can surely expect some spanners to be thrown-in. Then all of us can sit back and watch the fun. They don't seem to have nothing atleast in the airside part of the work.


User currently offlineTKMCE From India, joined May 2002, 841 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 5256 times:

What Gowda is sulking abt is the land! Most of the deals were sewed up during Krishna's time.

User currently offlineHimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 5251 times:

This is what BIAL will look like once it is complete.






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User currently offlineTKMCE From India, joined May 2002, 841 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks ago) and read 5243 times:

Doubt whether both runways will come up together.Second one might be after quite some time, as is goign to be in HYD.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5209 times:

Parallel runways. great.
What direction are the Runways planned.
How far from the Existing Airport is the Project.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5179 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 6):
Parallel runways. great

What are the benefits of parallel runways- my novice guess is that you have twice the capacity. Do you still alternate takeoffs/landings or do you keep one for takeoff and the other for landing. What happens if the prevailing winds veer and become crosswinds? Are parallel runways only good when you have an unchanging prevailing wind pattern? How do you select between a parallel runway configuration vs a 60 degree configuration?

Is BIAL going to have both runways in Phase 1 or will there be another wait?

Lots of questions! Thanks for any insight.


User currently offlineTKMCE From India, joined May 2002, 841 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5141 times:

I doubt BIAL will build both the runways at the same time. The traffic doesnt warrant it and Runways cost money! (unlike what a lot of people think!). HIAL-that is the HYD project- is not building it any time soon, although the entire land for the phase 2 -the 2nd runway and later the 2nd terminal- has already been acquired and fenced off . Before someone says land grab!,it is not so - it is common sense - else in India you will struggle for land later when the need comes.

User currently offlineStealthpilot From India, joined May 2004, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5088 times:

Correct, initially only one runway will be built in BLR. The parallel runway will come up in phase 2. When the airport is fully operational Bangalore will have the fastest growing airport in the country, hopefully no holding back!
The new BLR and HYD airports will be very exciting. I hope it won't become another form of competition  Smile
-Nikhil



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User currently offlineUALAX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5037 times:

Thanks for the update. My parents are from B'lore and I can't wait to use the new airport. A couple of questions:

Has the government started work on widening the highway to BIAL?
I heard there was going to be a shuttle from Bangalore Cantonment to BIAL, is that still the plan?
Being India, the airport will be named after someone, any guesses on who? Please no Deve Gowda International!

-This is kinda a random question, but once the airport is built, will the PA announcements be trilingual? Kannada/English/Hindi?

-I'm hoping there's an MTR in the new airport, or at least something besides Cafe Coffee Day.


User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4900 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5029 times:

Quoting UALAX (Reply 10):
Being India, the airport will be named after someone, any guesses on who? Please no Deve Gowda International

OK, time for a thread hijack! My choices for a name for BIAL:

1. Infosys International Airport
2. Outsourced International Airport
3. Pure-Veg. International Airport
3. Better-Late-than-Never International Airport.

 Smile


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3257 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4959 times:

Quoting UALAX (Reply 10):
Has the government started work on widening the highway to BIAL?
I heard there was going to be a shuttle from Bangalore Cantonment to BIAL, is that still the plan?
Being India, the airport will be named after someone, any guesses on who? Please no Deve Gowda International!

-This is kinda a random question, but once the airport is built, will the PA announcements be trilingual? Kannada/English/Hindi?


Yes - the highway from the suburbs to BIAL is being widened. Unfortunately the stretch from the city to the suburbs will remain as is, because there's not scope to widen it Sad

The shuttle from Cantt. to BIAL is on hold (that's what I heard). Some confusion on Railways + State Govt + BIAL. I wish to god they would build this soon - otherwise it's going to be a bitch to get to the new airport.

In a perverse kind of way - I'd be very glad if they called it Deve Gowda Intl Airport - as that would mean he's no more  Smile

The announcements would logically be trilingual - they often are in the current BLR airport (but not always).



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User currently offlineBlrBird From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4907 times:

Quoting TKMCE (Reply 1):
Does BIAL have one as well?

Yes, www.bialairport.com. But it is under construction from 2002, just like the airport! For some reason BIAL has been very secretive about it plans/info etc(not publicly available) ... Unlike the new HYD airport which is more open.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 6):
What direction are the Runways planned.

East-West

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 6):
How far from the Existing Airport is the Project.

Aprox 16 NM(distance in air)

Quoting Comorin (Reply 7):
Is BIAL going to have both runways in Phase 1?

nope, Phase 1 one runway (dimensions 13200L/148.5W feet). Here is the image of phase one...


Quoting Comorin (Reply 7):
or will there be another wait?

There is some talk going on to pre-empt the construction of 2nd runway from earlier planned date, but for sure it won't come up when airport opens in 2008!

Quoting TKMCE (Reply 8):
The traffic doesn't warrant it

May be some A.netter can my answer question, with the runway that BIAL is constructing what kind traffic can it handle? Aircraft landings/takeoffs per hour/day and PAX (in millions)?

Quoting Stealthpilot (Reply 9):
I hope it won't become another form of competition

isn't competition always good?

Quoting UALAX (Reply 10):
Deve Gowda International!

NEVER may be Kempe Gowda (King & founder of BLR) or Sir.M.Vishweshwaraiah (Dewan & architect of modern Karnataka), these are my guesses, so don't count on it  Smile

Quoting UALAX (Reply 10):
PA announcements be trilingual?

Yes

Quoting Comorin (Reply 11):
My choices

Good ones  Smile

Quoting UALAX (Reply 10):
I'm hoping there's an MTR in the new airport

You bet!

BIAL terminal:
We'll have to wait and see who will win the battle (Praful Patel or BIAL) as far as terminal building is concerned. After watching this animation (for those who have not seen this before) I have to side with PP, he has valid point. The current design is kind based on railway station terminal (arrivals and departures on the same level), it looks so lame & dull! Come on BIAL even AAI is doing much better job now a day!

Is this the norm? Most of bigger (BLR hoping to be one!) airports being built now have arrivals on 1st floor and departures on 2nd? Also it is very small terminal (538,196 sqft) with 4 or 5 aero bridges. In comparison new HYD airport will have a lot bigger terminal (1,076,391 sqft), 10 aero bridges and multi level.

I am being skeptical here, did Karnataka make the right choice by choosing this consortium (Siemens+Unique+L&T), and I have a bad feeling about the product that they are offering to Bangalore after reading/looking at their plans.

Hoping that I am wrong about this feeling!



from star dust....
User currently offlineTKMCE From India, joined May 2002, 841 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4885 times:

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 13):
am being skeptical here, did Karnataka make the right choice by choosing this consortium (Siemens+Unique+L&T), and I have a bad feeling about the product that they are offering to Bangalore after reading/look

Dont worry about that! All three know their job! As I mentioned, even the HYD airisde/landside contract went to L and T despite them being a partner in BLR, which is an indication of their professional expertise!


User currently offlineUALAX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4849 times:

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 13):
Is this the norm? Most of bigger (BLR hoping to be one!) airports being built now have arrivals on 1st floor and departures on 2nd? Also it is very small terminal (538,196 sqft) with 4 or 5 aero bridges. In comparison new HYD airport will have a lot bigger terminal (1,076,391 sqft), 10 aero bridges and multi level.

Will BIAL really only have 4-5 aerobridges? That's unacceptable. Yes I do hope that BIAL does get its act together. After so many years of waiting, it would be horrible to see BLR end up with a mediocre airport.

As far as names go....

Purandaradasa International (maybe hard to pronounce)

Tipu Sultan Intl?


User currently offlinePlaneboy From India, joined May 2005, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4813 times:

A main factor in the success of the BIAL would be its connectivity to city. With Gowda being against Metro project, the only option to connect to city is through Road (NH7). If Bangalore sustains the same growth rate for next year or two, this road will be congested with Interstate Buses, BMTC, Rural transport, trucks, cars + airport-city bound vehicles etc etc. There isn't much to hear about this crucial connectivity problem. Hopefully someone in the govt will wakeup at the right moment!

Now to something else:

Earlier it was told that the existing HAL airport will be closed for commercial aircrafts once the BIAL is open. I am hearing things about Air Deccan (DN) wanting to continue at HAL airport (cannot confirm). With the current state of affairs, I would chose HAL airport anyday than commuting to BIAL on NH7.


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3257 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4813 times:

Quoting Planeboy (Reply 16):
Hopefully someone in the govt will wakeup at the right moment!

Not a chance - at least not with this govt. The rail link to the airport is almost mandatory - but they don't seem keen on that any more. A fast train service every 30 minutes from Cantt. to the airport would be ideal.

Quoting Planeboy (Reply 16):
Earlier it was told that the existing HAL airport will be closed for commercial aircrafts once the BIAL is open. I am hearing things about Air Deccan (DN) wanting to continue at HAL airport (cannot confirm). With the current state of affairs, I would chose HAL airport anyday than commuting to BIAL on NH7.

I think the old airport cannot be kept open after the new one is in place (Despite what DN says/wants). There was talk of an agreement to this effect being signed as a pre-condition to the BIAL taking off.

Personally I'd love to have the choice - the new airport would be great for international flights - where lounges/dutyfree shopping etc. make a sea of difference. The current HAL airport is ideal for short commuter hops to MAA/GOI etc. Longer mainline flights (DEL/BOM/CCU etc.) could well be from the new airport. Any such seperation implies it's the end of BLR's chance of becoming a hub of any standing.



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User currently offlineTKMCE From India, joined May 2002, 841 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4763 times:

Connectivity is imprtant and no better testiimony to that thn the one at Cochi. The main eailway line from Cochin to the north literally skirts the boundary wall of the airport, and still no one has even thought of building a station. Try commuting using public transport to CIAL. It is a nightmare and expensive as well!

MAA is even more interesting! There is a suburban line (as also the main MAA IXM railway line) running near the airport but despte the AAI website saying that MAA airport has a rail station, you have to cross a 4 line Natiional Highway to reach the place! And interestingly the station is not named MAA airport and instead named "Tirusoolam", while another station "Meenambakkam" which is what many people still refer the airport as, is actually three km before the actual airport station!

Sorry to digress a little, but connectivity in Indian airports is sokmething which needs to improve ina very big way! Righnow the airport taxi drivers lobby seems to be winning hands down literally everywhere!


User currently offlineJoyA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 526 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4756 times:

Quoting UALAX (Reply 15):
Tipu Sultan Intl?

Yeah thats a good name...easy to pronouce and sounds good as well.



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineTKMCE From India, joined May 2002, 841 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4744 times:

Actually it would have been nice if someone had taken the lead and named any Indian airport as "JRD Tata International" just like Sydney has done with "Kingsford Smith". But fat chance of it we have in India, where politicans licking their masters boots dominate the show!

User currently offlineLH477 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 584 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4698 times:

Quoting UALAX (Reply 10):
Being India, the airport will be named after someone, any guesses on who?

How about M.K. Gandhi Int'l....He's not from there, but the father of the nation
deserves it.



Come on you gunners......!!!!!
User currently offlineBlrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1425 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4679 times:

Quoting LH477 (Reply 21):
How about M.K. Gandhi Int'l....He's not from there, but the father of the nation
deserves it.

Sorry, MK Gandhi's name doesn't buy votes anymore. As of now, no name is proposed, but there will be huge pressures from various groups for naming it after their idols. Kempe Gowda, Sir M Visveswaraiah and Tipu Sultan are all in the running. Many more might come up as the airport nears completion. There will probably be committees set up to look into this issue, and the name would probably be someone from Karnataka state, whose capital is Bangalore.


User currently offlineStealthpilot From India, joined May 2004, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4628 times:

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 13):
isn't competition always good?

Certainly, I was implying that presently the cities of HYD and BLR are competing fiercely, and the prestige of their new airports will add to that. I guess i meant i hope the airports will not become another thing to fight over  Smile

Quoting UALAX (Reply 15):
Tipu Sultan Intl?

That's what i would vote for (given the chance obviously)

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 13):

5 aerobridges is of course unacceptable. I believe that was the minimums to start operations, and expand from there. Every flight barring the ATRs and low cost carriers (if they chose) should have its dedicated gate and bridges. I hope and hope and hope that Siemens/Unique don't mess this up!

I don't believe there is any doubt among the politicians that there needs to be a quick transit system to the airport, the problem is the funding. Well, Deve Gowda probably doesn�t believe in the need for mass transport -o well.

-Nikhil



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User currently offlineTKMCE From India, joined May 2002, 841 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4616 times:

This obsession on Aerobridges is quite miselading. Actually not every airline (even Full service) prefer aerobridges.

For one , boarding can considerably be speeded up when boarding is through both front and rear - not possible with Aerobridges.

Second in times of recession, the saving made on aerobrdiges (for a regular user) is not insignificant.

And belive me - Siemens /Unique know their job.

[Edited 2005-11-08 04:27:33]

25 Planeboy : Sir MVV name is most fitting and deserving. His birthplace is quite closer to BIAL. He was a rare visionary who brought prosperity to the region and
26 Post contains links and images Stealthpilot : True, but a new international airport needs to be functional, modern and look great! Having only 5 aerobridges and 20 aircrafts sitting about waiting
27 Pomnath : I still think the existing airport will "evolve" to just become better. All "they" have to do is relocate certain bits of the HAL facilities themselve
28 Abrelosojos : The airports looks awfully small to me. -A.
29 Pomnath : Get in and out quickly, a small airport is just fine. Trouble starts when airports try to reinvent themselves as shopping centres. There are many sma
30 Abrelosojos : LCY is a horrible airport. As a passenger, I truly appreciate airports which are more than just in-out airports. I even try to schedule my flights thr
31 Pomnath : Agreed, but we are a nation in a hurry, and as of now the priorities are in-out efficiently. Spend on the operational requirements, the frills will f
32 Post contains images Abrelosojos : = I don't think Bangalore Airport would be a good example of a nation in a hurry - A.
33 Pomnath : Uhhhhm, if you look at growth through the specific prism of increased traffic, you will agree that Bangalore Airport has grown in a hurry from a slee
34 Blrsea : HAL cannot shift their facilities anywhere else. The airport actually belongs to HAL and it was constructed/used for HAL purposes. HAL has a big camp
35 TKMCE : But on the other side, you will find that BLR will never have that high dendity of widebody flights as BOM or DEL forget FRA or LHR. And literally ev
36 Post contains images Abrelosojos : = WOW. This is new for me - criticizing India - = Only an India would use that word paid . = So a lot of things - its reflective of an India that chan
37 HAWK21M : The Intersecting ones deprive simultaneous operations.An Incident on the Intersection renders both Runways u/s. Both can be used for Simultaneous T/O
38 Pomnath : As Bangalore grows, having a top-end aviation and space research facility in the middle of town will become more a problem than a joy. I am sure you
39 TKMCE : Hyderabad MRTS is an overland system (not underground) and is massively under utilised (except when the state bus undertaking employees go on strike)
40 Post contains images Stealthpilot : We still need a modern, big airport with shops/restaurants/entertainment centers etc. Airports might not need to reinvent themselves as 'shopping cen
41 TKMCE : Aerobrige - As oppposed to a non aerobridge stand - is both costly and hinders boarding, What you mention in LTN and STN are non contact stands (but n
42 Snehnath : On the subject of aerobridges, isn't the cost of one aerobridge about $150,000? Someone please correct me if I am wrong. This was the number I calcula
43 Nimish : An update on the current HAL airport at BLR: The area just outside the arrivals terminal is undergoing some sort of expansion activity. I wonder if th
44 Stealthpilot : I believe they have, I heard they renovated the terminal. Visitors can�t go upstairs to drop family off because check-ins are now done on the gr
45 Post contains links and images BlrBird : I never did doubt their PROFESSIONAL expertise! But are they delivering it? is my doubt. Watch the new BLR airport animation(here is the link in case
46 Nimish : Today's local news papers report that the rail link to the new airport is still under "active consideration". I wonder if it will ever get to "impleme
47 Post contains images HAWK21M : If only a Rail link could be provided for Mumbai.And Trains with Doors too Any Name proposed. regds MEL
48 TKMCE : Hey buddy - relax! They have just started off. Dont be put off by the fact that HYD tem has put out a better multi media presentation for the general
49 Jaysit : Uhh. Says who? Studies have shown that a single aerobridge can offload pax faster than 2 mobile stairs. Clambering down a flight of stairs is signifi
50 Abrelosojos : = BLRBIRD - one part of your analysis that I disagree with. You're idea is VERY Americanized - I would rather go through the pre-checkin bag check TH
51 Post contains links Blrsea : Snag hits intl airport again
52 BlrBird : TKMCE: Dude I agree with your points, may be i was not clear as to what I wanted to say I guess! BIAL's negotiations with any federal/state govt depar
53 UALAX : I think Praful Patel is right on target, air traffic in B'lore has been exploding and the airport needs to be ready to accomodate it. Also, this is go
54 Post contains links Nimish : From today's Times of India http://epaperdaily.timesofindia.com/...ntityId=Ar00301&ViewMode=HTML&GZ=T I wonder who'll bear the costs for the increased
55 Blrsea : While financing was not an issue earlier, the main problem was the state govt's share. Since the state govt had to contribute a percentage of the tot
56 TKMCE : What crap! When has PP qualified as an airport architect or airport traffic planner. The L&T consortium itself has invested a lot of money into the ve
57 TKMCE : I think all these happenings are due to the fact that the HYD guys are throwing money on media publicity while the BLR guys are concentrating on the
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