Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5418 posts, RR: 13 Posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3445 times:
HOU was just placed in a ground stop. Anyone know what happened down there?
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D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10554 posts, RR: 53 Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3371 times:
Apparently (according to CNN, the ultimate name in aviation news), a private jet crashed during some sort of traffic control issue with "a 737" which was then diverted to IAH. Both people aboud the private jet (which CNN said was a Cessna Citation) were killed.
FlyHoss From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3331 times:
I saw a WN 737 at IAH around 10:30 a.m. in the new Canyon Blue colors (might have been a -300). As you know, WN doesn't serve IAH anymore, so I wondered why it was there (a charter, perhaps? Why would there be a diversion from HOU on such a nice day?).
Maybe that was the "involved" 737. Too soon to tell, though...
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3319 times:
One of the local stations in Houston has a little more info, and it makes the situation a little more bizzare. ATC told the Citation to move off the runway (to clear it for the 737 which had some type of problem) and apparently "moved off" the runway by "taking off" and then came back around, landed, and ran off the end, catching fire. The 737 diverted to IAH.
I'm taking this with a grain of salt, since it's common for the initial "facts" to end up being quite different from what really happened..
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10554 posts, RR: 53 Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3241 times:
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3): "moved off" the runway by "taking off" and then came back around, landed, and ran off the end, catching fire.
That was my understanding too. I thought that was so bizarre that it couldn't have been what I had actually heard.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10554 posts, RR: 53 Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3225 times:
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3): "moved off" the runway by "taking off" and then came back around, landed, and ran off the end, catching fire.
That was my understanding too. I thought that was so bizarre that it couldn't have been what I had actually heard.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10554 posts, RR: 53 Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3003 times:
That doesn't seem right. If the Southwest jet had an emergency, why divert it instead of landing at the airport it's already lined up at?
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2978 times:
Quoting D L X (Reply 8): That doesn't seem right. If the Southwest jet had an emergency, why divert it instead of landing at the airport it's already lined up at?
Because the 737 hadn't landed yet and there was now a Citation burning at the end of the runway they were going to use. They couldn't use 12R/30L as it was closed. If they had an engine shut down, they'd have been using flaps-15, and 17/35 (assuming it wasn't also closed) was shorter, and at flaps-15 you want -longer-, so it was off to IAH...
FlyHoss From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2858 times:
I overheard a discussion between the WN crew that had the emergency inbound to HOU and Houston Center after the WN flight had resumed.
The WN 737-300 was inbound into HOU on an engine-out visual approach. When they turned final, they noted the smoke and fire on or near the runway. The HOU Tower closed the airport and the WN 737 diverted to IAH.
At 1:45 pm CST, I saw the blue WN towed off a gate at IAH (D8 or D9) to the ramp in front of CO's hangar. Shortly thereafter, a WN 737-700 arrived; I believe this aircraft was used to resume the WN flight.
Sorry, but I missed the WN flight number.
Cmk10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2765 times:
The aircraft was owned by Citation Shares, a company who does a lot of business with the FBO I work for at PHX. We were given a bulletin about it at the front desk of the FBO.
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Smcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2757 times:
Quoting Cmk10 (Reply 12): The aircraft was owned by Citation Shares
According to EVERY source I've seen the aircraft was NOT owned by Citation Shares... but Houston Arrithmea (sp?) Institute. I don't even think that Citation Shares flys Citation 501's.
EDIT: From Citation Shares website, they show CJ1's (Citation 525), Bravo (Citation 550), CJ3 (Citation 525), Tens (Citation 750), Soverigns (unkown registration type), and finally XLS (Citation 560XL). This is also cross referenced with Cessnas own website.
[Edited 2005-11-06 07:52:47]
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Coa764 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 328 posts, RR: 3 Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2750 times:
Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 10): I overheard a discussion between the WN crew that had the emergency inbound to HOU and Houston Center after the WN flight had resumed.
Unless you work the ZHU watch desk how??? This not something a controller is going to talk about on frequency so you would have had to be standing next to the captain while on the phone with the facility manager.. It might have gone down like that, just curious (As such conversations usually take place in private setting)
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CitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2229 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2658 times:
Smcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2618 times:
Quoting CitationJet (Reply 15): Also, speaking of Citation model numbers, the new Citation Mustang is the Model 510.
THANK YOU. I've been wondering what they'd use for that Model #. I knew it would probably fit in with the scheme that they use somewhere.
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COFreqFlyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 397 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2619 times:
Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 10): At 1:45 pm CST, I saw the blue WN towed off a gate at IAH (D8 or D9) to the ramp in front of CO's hangar. Shortly thereafter, a WN 737-700 arrived; I believe this aircraft was used to resume the WN flight.
Sorry, but I missed the WN flight number.
This explains why I saw a WN 73G landing on 26L and taxiing over to the D terminal while I was on a COEX flight departing IAH at 1430CST for MAF. Was wondering.
FlyHoss From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2544 times:
Quoting Coa764 (Reply 14): Unless you work the ZHU watch desk how??? This not something a controller is going to talk about on frequency so you would have had to be standing next to the captain while on the phone with the facility manager..
I was in the cockpit of a flight departing Houston and overhead the discussion on the radio. IIRC, the Houston Center frequency was 132.15. The discussion occurred around 3:25-3:30 local time and was started by the Center controller. After the WN crew gave their answer, someone (else) on the frequency asked what the accident aircraft type was; the Center controller replied that he had just been instructed not to (further) discuss the accident.
CitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2229 posts, RR: 3 Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2430 times:
Quoting Smcmac32msn (Reply 16): THANK YOU. I've been wondering what they'd use for that Model #. I knew it would probably fit in with the scheme that they use somewhere
On the Citation Mustang Model 510, the prototype and Production 1 are both flying. Production 1 has been painted, and has an interior in it. It will be shown at NBAA in Orlando this week. I have been inside the prototype aircraft. Mustang certificatoin is 3rd Q 2006 with first delivery 4Q 2006. All of the Mustangs will be built in the Single Engine Restart facility in Independence, KS. This is the first time that Cessna has not built a jet in Wichita, KS.
Here is the Citation model list from memory:
Model 500, 501 - Citation I
510 - Mustang
525 - CJ, CJ1, CJ1+
525A - CJ2, CJ2+
525B - CJ3
550 - Citation II, Bravo
552 - ?
560 - Citation V, Ultra, Encore
560XL - Citation XL, XLS
650 - Citation 3, 6, 7
680 - Citation Sovereign
750 - Citation X (ten)
As operators wished to cruise faster with the C550 and were looking for somewhat more in range, Cessna developed a new wing. This aircraft was then named the C550 S/II. It took 800 lbs more of fuel which gave a max range of 2170 NM at LRC. The plane could also take off considerably heavier and was the first with a wing, going M0.70. Goodrich was not able to provide a deice boot to go at this speed and the JT-15 engines still produced 2500 lbs of thrust, so they couldn't go for a hot wing either as there was simply not enough bleed air left. This lead to the "TKS" anti ice system, that pumps a kind of alcohol on the leading edge, the same the Hs125 uses. This TKS system was also the downside of the aircraft. We called it "the mother of icing..."
On the other hand, this plane really went fast for the class of aircraft and far. It did not have the payload restrictions the normal C550 had and with this new wing (actually the same they used then for the C560 and on) it also had real low approach speeds. I can remember Vref's of 87KIAS at low weights.
The S/II was something as 50% more expensive as the standard C550. As people went on wishing more power and more space, Cessna streched the plane by "one window" and gave it a more powerful JT-15. By this time Goodrich also had a "fast boot" so the C560 Citation V was born, which was actually a "Super SII".
The military US once looked at a concept of a light jet aircraft. Cessna took the Citation S/II as a base, added more power and gave them a kind of a detachable canopy and ejection seats. This was the C552. Only 16 C552 were built. All 16 aircraft were in a hangar at Topeka KS when the hangar burned down. One aircraft remained, 15 were lost. Where the one is now, sorry I don't know either.
IAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4717 posts, RR: 26 Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2223 times:
Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 10): The HOU Tower closed the airport
Towers don't close runways/airports, only the airport operator in this case the Houston Airport System which runs the airport can close it...and at an airport the size of Hobby it is common to close the airport immediately after an accident.
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RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2182 times:
Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 21): Towers don't close runways/airports, only the airport operator in this case the Houston Airport System which runs the airport can close it
Especially when there is another emergency aircraft inbound. The likely reason for the closure was since the ARFF trucks were already dealing with one emergency, why have them fighting 2 emergencies, which is why IAH was in WN's best interest incase the emergency escalated.
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