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User currently offlineDuke From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 1155 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

I have seen executive turboprops in the past with canard fins, a (probably) T-tail and two pusher-propeller, rear-mounted engines. They look on the whole more like jets. What type(s) is/are it?

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User currently offlineBBJII From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

I seen it too. I know there an Italian register one. Looks Like something from james bond film.

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User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4993 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

You mean this one?


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This is a Beech 2000 Starship



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

The Beech Starship has been grounded for almost two years now, so I doubt that is it. The other choice is the Avanti....


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Let's not re-start the questions on why the Starship was grounded. It's been well covered with a dozen or so threads...try a search.......



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6039 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2213 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
The Beech Starship has been grounded for almost two years now, so I doubt that is it. The other choice is the Avanti

It's not grounded. They just stopped making spare parts. One guy even bought 2-3 other starships to cover for spare parts.



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User currently offlineBBJII From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

Starship is the one i've seen.

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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
The Beech Starship has been grounded for almost two years now, so I doubt that is it. The other choice is the Avanti....

I guess that's why this summer one flew over my neighborhood?  Wink There are still a few flying.


User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
The Beech Starship has been grounded for almost two years now, so I doubt that is it. The other choice is the Avanti....

There is one that flys almost daily out of SNA.

There was a show on History channel about how an individual refused to sell his plane back and has spares to operate for up to 20 years.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 6):
guess that's why this summer one flew over my neighborhood

I'm sure you saw an Avanti.. 49 of the 53 Beech Starship are sitting in the desert and are in the process of being cut up and burned. Of the other, one is owned by the Rutan's as they were a big part of its design, the other is owned by a guy in CA. He is the one that bought all of Beech's spares to keep his one plane flying.

http://www.bobscherer.com/Pages/Starship.htm

[Edited 2005-11-06 16:16:15]


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User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2178 times:

That starship looks very cool! They should make a jet version of it!


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 8):
I'm sure you saw an Avanti..

It's kind of hard to mistake an Avanti with a Starship.

Starship:

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10):
It's kind of hard to mistake an Avanti with a Starship.

Right..!! So when the original poster asked what a T-tail, pusher prop executive turboprop plane was, I said the Avanti as everyone else was jumping on the Starship wagon.



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User currently offlineTomTurner From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 247 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2054 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 6):
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
The Beech Starship has been grounded for almost two years now, so I doubt that is it. The other choice is the Avanti....

I guess that's why this summer one flew over my neighborhood? Wink There are still a few flying.

Its interesting Eric. I thought I saw one too over New York less than a year ago. - However improbable. It certainly was not an Avanti!

Question: Does anyone know if the AASI Jetcruzer has made it into production - or changed its name? Seems to be only two shots of the prototype on A.net.


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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

the original poster said he saw these type of airplanes in "the past" which would mean that he most likely is referring to the Beech Starship, which was introduced in the early 80's and was the only rear thrust t-tail turboprop on the market for nearly 20 years, until the Avanti one came into production.

it is unlikely, however, that you will see a Starship on a regular basis these days. Most of the remaining airframes were bought up by Beech, but a few remain out there, owned by stubborn owners who didn't want to give up their aircraft (i wouldn't want to give up the starship either, they are great airplanes).



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User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1878 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

i saw a starship in EUG just two months ago.

User currently offlineAeroWeanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1609 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1979 times:
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Quoting TomTurner (Reply 12):
Question: Does anyone know if the AASI Jetcruzer has made it into production - or changed its name? Seems to be only two shots of the prototype on A.net.

AASI got a certification for the Jetcruzer, but it never went into production. AASI is now gone...


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1974 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 13):
the original poster said he saw these type of airplanes in "the past" which would mean that he most likely is referring to the Beech Starship, which was introduced in the early 80's and was the only rear thrust t-tail turboprop on the market for nearly 20 years, until the Avanti one came into production.

You may want to research your statement a little further. The Beech Starship was issued its TCDS by the FAA on June of 1988... the Piaggio Avanti on May 1990... FAR from your 20 year statement.

My Starship connection.. NC-51, now with Burt Rutan and Scaled Composites was based PSM with Tyco International when I worked there in 1995.

[Edited 2005-11-06 20:07:46]


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User currently offlinePILOTALLEN From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1848 times:

The P-180 should not be closely related to the starship by any means haha....the Avanti is a real hot rod....in fact its one of the fastest turbprops around if not the fastest.....I think I've heard 380kt true but don't hold me to it....either that or 420....I cannot remember what I heard....a heck of a full standup cabin too...and soon the cockpit will be upgraded to an all glass one...cannot remember which company is making the glass....not garmin or avydine...anyway kinda neat. Ferrari also does the upholstry inside so its pretty sharp.


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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 13):
the original poster said he saw these type of airplanes in "the past" which would mean that he most likely is referring to the Beech Starship, which was introduced in the early 80's and was the only rear thrust t-tail turboprop on the market for nearly 20 years, until the Avanti one came into production.

The Starship is not a T-Tail. There is no elevated horizontal stabilizer. Second, the P-180s being produced now are the second incarnation of the model. A limited number of the aircraft were produced in the late 80s/early 90s but the company went bankrupt. It wasn't that far behind the starship. The Avanti was designed by Ferarri engineers. They know a thing or two about going fast. The aircraft holds a number of turboprop speed records, some set by Steve Fossett. It can get over 390kts true.



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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1535 times:

damn. i need to start doing more than just assuming i have the right information.


sorry for the mis-information.



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User currently offlineDuke From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 1155 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1390 times:

Okay so I think it was likely an Avanti.

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