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WN "Canyon Blue" Re-paint - Full Fleet When?  
User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3922 times:

WN introduced the new Canyon Blue paint back in late 2000 or early 2001 - I flew one SJC-SAN in August, 2001. Doing the math, that would make the color scheme almost five years old.

Yet I am still seeing what look to be brand new 737's in the old scheme. I understand that the repainting is done at the time of the "D" check, but I don't know exactly how long that is, especially with WN's high fleet utilization.

Questions: (1) How many accumulated flight cycles are there on a 737 before the "D" check is required? At four-five flights (or more!) per day, what does this translate into in terms of months or years (on average)? And (2), are there any firm dates as to when "Ochre" will be completely replaced with "Canyon Blue"?

Thanks in advance!!


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3870 times:

I think the canyon blue is one of the ugliest schemes in the history of aviation, and hope they move on to something nicer before repainting the entire fleet.


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 984 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3805 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
I think the canyon blue is one of the ugliest schemes in the history of aviation

I don't know why WN's color scheme gets such a bad reputation. It really looks great in the morning and evening, IMO:


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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
and hope they move on to something nicer before repainting the entire fleet.

Unfortunatly for the non-Canyon Blue fans, that's out of the question.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3786 times:

Remember too that it takes 7 to 10 days to fully repaint an in-service aircraft. With a fleet of 300+ aircraft, and not running the paint line nose to tail it will take a while. Remember UAL came out with their 'Gray scheme' in 1993 and I saw the last 747-400 get painted in the spring of 1997.. 4 years later... and that was just one fleet type.


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User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3760 times:

Someone posted on another thread (I think the one about WN's theme jets), that WN plans to keep a 733, a 735, and a 73W in the ochre colors, as a retro color scheme along with the "Shamu"s and the state flag jets.


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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4416 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3689 times:
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Quoting PanAm747 (Thread starter):
Yet I am still seeing what look to be brand new 737's in the old scheme.

The brand new 737's from Boeing come in the Canyon Blue scheme (and also Winglets), so there are no new 73G's from Boeing coming in the old Mustard colors.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3672 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 2):
I don't know why WN's color scheme gets such a bad reputation. It really looks great in the morning and evening, IMO:

Those pics don't help the argument.

The colors just don't really go together. Blue and orange are of course opposites on the basic color wheel, and are put together when you want the highest in color contrast (like green and red or purple and yellow). But that doesn't mean the look GOOD together.

Usually, one should dominate and the other be used for highlighting, if you live in 1975.

I see these planes all the time, living under the Burbank flight path. The older colors are just so much nicer.

Either way, WN needs to move it's color scheme and livery design into the 21st century. It's so outdated even in the old style, but with the blue, it's outdated AND ugly.



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User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3577 times:

To all this bad mouthing of SWA’s colors, I say:

Maybe Herb et al wanted their planes in ugly colors so someone would look at it and say "Who does that ugly plane belong to?"

Ever thought of that?


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6791 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3534 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Thread starter):
WN introduced the new Canyon Blue paint back in late 2000 or early 2001

Actually, middle of 2001, June 18, 2001, to be specific. The "Spirit" or "Canyon Blue" livery was introduced to mark the airline's 30th anniversary. Consequently, the new paint scheme is a bit under four-and-a-half years old.

Quoting PanAm747 (Thread starter):
At four-five flights (or more!) per day,

More or like seven or eight per day; the airline operates well over 3,000 daily flights with roughly 440 737's.

Quoting PanAm747 (Thread starter):
are there any firm dates as to when "Ochre" will be completely replaced with "Canyon Blue"?

The correct term for the old color is "Desert Gold."

In any case, like it or not, Southwest's liveries, old and new, are both very distinctive. As such, they are a very recognizable brand.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8904 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3523 times:

They are starting to repaint the -700s in Canyon Blue now as well. I was up at MHT yesterday spotting and saw 710SW, originally delivered in Desert Gold, painted in Canyon Blue.

Also, thought I'd pass along this anecdote. While I was spotting on the deck at MHT yesterday, there was a family up there awaiting their WN flight. A Desert Gold -700 had just parked at the gate, and they were worried that this "old plane" was going to be taking them wherever they were going. However, they call boarding for a flight to some other destination, and they are relieved that that's not their plane. All of a sudden, a Canyon Blue -300 lands and they are quite happy that they get to fly on a "nice, new plane" and then they leave to go clear security. Reason I'm posting this is possibly image - 99% of travellers aren't airline enthusiasts and can't tell the difference between a 737 and a 777. However, they do notice airline paint schemes, and do make decisions based on them. Canyon Blue is definetely more 2005 (in my opinion) that Desert Gold (note: I personally don't mind either livery - both are aesthetically appealing to me, so I'm not playing favorites here).

Jeff


User currently offlineBarney Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 970 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3428 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 7):
Maybe Herb et al wanted their planes in ugly colors so someone would look at it and say "Who does that ugly plane belong to?"



Quoting ScottB (Reply 8):
In any case, like it or not, Southwest's liveries, old and new, are both very distinctive. As such, they are a very recognizable brand.

Ding! "You are now free to engage in brand-recognition about the country"  Wink  Smile



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User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3414 times:

that color scheme is amazing BECAUSE of the fact that those colors aren't simmilar. Its distinctive and smart looking. I personaly find it by far the most appealing color scheme of any US major.

User currently offlineMainliner From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 414 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3379 times:

To me, the scheme looks best in dim light (sunrise and sunset), as someone said earlier. When viewed in bright daylight, the blue often looks faded.

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Also, I heard that the three aircraft left painted in the old colors are supposed to represent the original three Southwest destinations.

[Edited 2005-11-06 22:25:10]


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User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2448 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3370 times:

In this thread New WN Special Theme A/C Pt. 2 (by Swabur Nov 3 2005 in Civil Aviation) resident WN expert OPNL posted the following...

All 441 aircraft have the Spirit Interiors...

By my count, 303 are in Canyon Blue (or special schemes), leaving 138 left to go. Subtract the 3 that are to stay in the original colors, and that's 135 left to paint. This includes two of the older Shamus (N501SW and N507SW) will also soon get Canyon Blue (all over), as those two have been replaced by N713SW and N715SW which are now Shamus, in addition to the original N334SW.



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User currently offlineRNOcommctr From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 827 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3352 times:

What amazes me is how dull and oxidized many of the "new" paint-scheme WN planes look. Looks they're already due for re-paints.


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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4416 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3338 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
The colors just don't really go together. Blue and orange are of course opposites on the basic color wheel, and are put together when you want the highest in color contrast (like green and red or purple and yellow). But that doesn't mean the look GOOD together.

There are a lot of plane color liveries out there that have opposite colors.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
Either way, WN needs to move it's color scheme and livery design into the 21st century.

The "Desert Gold" color does look outdated, however I don't see how the Canyon Blue is outdated..

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 9):
They are starting to repaint the -700s in Canyon Blue now as well. I was up at MHT yesterday spotting and saw 710SW, originally delivered in Desert Gold, painted in Canyon Blue.

They have been repainting the -700's in the Canyon Blue for quite a while now.


User currently offlineNomadic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3281 times:

Quoting RNOcommctr (Reply 14):
What amazes me is how dull and oxidized many of the "new" paint-scheme WN planes look. Looks they're already due for re-paints.

I rember the original Braniff having oxidation problems with their solid-color livery. The blue in particular became shabby looking in a very short time. I would have thought that 30 years later, aircraft paint technology would have helped to eliminate this.

nomadic :?)


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4838 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3233 times:
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Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 4):
Someone posted on another thread (I think the one about WN's theme jets), that WN plans to keep a 733, a 735, and a 73W in the ochre colors, as a retro color scheme along with the "Shamu"s and the state flag jets.

There will be three 737-700s painted in the old colors. The three aircraft are/will be N711HK, the "Herbert D. Kelleher" (this one has already been painted in a special updated version of the old colors..it looks gold), N714CB (Colleen Barrett) and N792SW (the last WN 737 to roll off the line in old colors).

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 2):
I don't know why WN's color scheme gets such a bad reputation. It really looks great in the morning and evening, IMO

I agree. This scheme seems to have been made to be looked at under sunrise and sunset.

Quoting RNOcommctr (Reply 14):
What amazes me is how dull and oxidized many of the "new" paint-scheme WN planes look. Looks they're already due for re-paints.

I believe the blue scheme has a shorter life span than the old colors. I recall hearing that the old scheme would last about 7 years while the new scheme lasts about 5. That is why so many aircraft, especially the older -700s are still in the old colors. Most of them are under 7 years old.



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User currently offlineSocalfive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3166 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
Either way, WN needs to move it's color scheme and livery design into the 21st century. It's so outdated even in the old style, but with the blue, it's outdated AND ugly

GOOD GOD I hope you have more important things to worry about. It's all a matter of taste, some like the ochre scheme and some like the blue, who cares?

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 9):
99% of travellers aren't airline enthusiasts and can't tell the difference between a 737 and a 777. However, they do notice airline paint schemes, and do make decisions based on them. Canyon Blue is definetely more 2005 (in my opinion) that Desert Gold (note: I personally don't mind either livery - both are aesthetically appealing to me, so I'm not playing favorites here)

And if there were NO Canyon Blue schemes on planes when they looked out the window, they would never have even said anything at all.


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3529 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3148 times:

Quoting ScottB (Reply 8):
In any case, like it or not, Southwest's liveries, old and new, are both very distinctive. As such, they are a very recognizable brand.

very true. even when you are on the ground and see a 737 at altitude, it is relatively easy to tell if it is a southwest 737, just look at the top of the airplane.

it's either shit brown, or you can't see it because it blends in with the sky  Smile



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3138 times:

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 13):
By my count, 303 are in Canyon Blue (or special schemes), leaving 138 left to go. Subtract the 3 that are to stay in the original colors, and that's 135 left to paint. This includes two of the older Shamus (N501SW and N507SW) will also soon get Canyon Blue (all over), as those two have been replaced by N713SW and N715SW which are now Shamus, in addition to the original N334SW.

Thanks for the plug..  Wink

The aircraft are being re-painted at ROW, and there's usually 2 there at a time. One ferries in from PHX, and the other from DAL. The crews then pick-up the two other aircraft which have just been finished, and then ferry those to PHX and DAL.

IIRC, the turnaround time is about 10 days, so at an assumed rate of 6 birds a month, the 135 left to re-paint will take 22.5 more months, so just under 2 years from now, they'll all be done.


User currently offlineStlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9401 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 13):
Subtract the 3 that are to stay in the original colors, and that's 135 left to paint.

interesting number. most of the flights that seem to come through STL when I am paying attention or at the airport are in the old colors.

i do like the old color scheme and wish they'd keep more in the old colors. that's just my opinion. whatever works.



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User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2448 posts, RR: 31
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 9):
However, they do notice airline paint schemes, and do make decisions based on them

Please don't ever let me meet someone like this.

Quoting Stlgph (Reply 21):
interesting number.

Well,.... they started with 3 planes... so leaving 3 in the original scheme makes sense to me...  Silly



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3028 times:

Quoting Socalfive (Reply 18):
GOOD GOD I hope you have more important things to worry about. It's all a matter of taste, some like the ochre scheme and some like the blue, who cares?

I see, so people who like it are allowed to like it and can be preoccupied with talking about why they like it, but people who don't like it and think that taking a very old livery and painting part of it a very contrasty blue are not allowed to have an opinion?

If it's a matter of taste, then I'm allowed to not like it, and while some may think it's great, there is no doubt that it is a very old livery design. That's just a fact. Changing one color may freshen it a little, but it doesn't make it modern. The underlying design is very old.

I just think that for America's second favorite airline (behind B6 right now), and all the new paint techniques out there demonstrated by many new carriers and Boeing itself, WN could come up with something new AND recognizable.



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