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TAM Incident At CDG (Pics)  
User currently offlineBrasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 10
Posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 15218 times:

Just came across these pictures of a TAM incident at CDG, where the left landing gear got stuck in mud due to a pilot's miscalculation leading it outside of the taxiway.

According to the time the pictures display, I can't find any accurate flight matching this incident (06:10 pm), whether arriving or departing.

Has anyone got any info about this incident? And how were the pax and cargo handled? BTW, who pays the damage to the airport? The airline?



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Varig, Varig, Varig
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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 15155 times:

Nadson: tks for the breaking news + amazing pictures. I assume it was caused by the pilot, right?

Any more details?

Rgs,


User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 15093 times:

Wow, Mr. Patroni did a nice job again ! bigthumbsup 

Thanks for posting !


User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1920 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 15038 times:

Very informative pictures. Thanks a lot.
The ac is A330-203 c/n 486 PT-MVK and the "hoops" short cut occured on July 7th.
A thread was dedicated to it but I cannot find it.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 14987 times:
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Wow Nadson,

Amazing and very informative.

Thanks !

Felipe



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8974 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14789 times:

Wow, that's messy! Not a fun day at their job those guys had!

TAM got very close to some bigger expenses if that engine had hit the ground!

Thanks for the pics, Nadson!

Cheers



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User currently offlineOmoo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14727 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 2):
Wow, Mr. Patroni did a nice job again !

thats very funny, Patroni only shows up when there is snow. He likes cold and snowy runways.

[Edited 2005-11-08 01:44:10]

User currently offlineBrasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14579 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 1):
Nadson: tks for the breaking news + amazing pictures. I assume it was caused by the pilot, right?

Hey Hardi! Quanto tempo, eh  Smile
Actually, it's not a breaking news. This happened in June 7.

And Breiz is right: There was a thread about this incident:
TAM A330 Accident At CDG (by AF-A319 Jul 7 2005 in Civil Aviation)
I didn't remember this thread neither could I find it b4 posting. However, there has been no picture so far, so I think it was still worth posting them, as this previous one is locked now.  Smile

BTW, Chiguire and Omoo, who is Patroni?

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 1):
I assume it was caused by the pilot, right?

I don't know either. Couldn't find any insight about this. But it looks like it's the pilot fault, who mismanaged to taxi properly.



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 667 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14519 times:

Nice pictures. Reminds me of the movie Airport when Joe Petroni leads a group of maintenance men to dig out an aircraft stuck in the snow.  cloudnine 

Form BDL,  wave 
DeltaGuy767



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8974 posts, RR: 39
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14505 times:

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 7):
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 1):
I assume it was caused by the pilot, right?

I don't know either. Couldn't find any insight about this. But it looks like it's the pilot fault, who mismanaged to taxi properly.

Actually, its the airports, by not paving a taxiway there  Wink

It pretty much has to be the pilots fault IMO. Unless the weather was really bad, which I doubt.

But incidents happen... not a big deal.

Cheers



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User currently offlineDeC From Greece, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14359 times:

Thanks for the pics! I was wondering....was it possible for the wheels to have gained some damage when those people tried to get ‘em out off the mud?


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User currently offlineJog From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 273 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14277 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 9):
Unless the weather was really bad, which I doubt.

The weather was fine that day (I arrived with the other JJ flight that day). However refillers were on strike - maybe the pilot wanted to safe some fuel and took a shortcut. So it's definitely their fault  Wink

Quoting DeC (Reply 10):
was it possible for the wheels to have gained some damage when those people tried to get them out off the mud?

Similar thing happened to my parents a few years ago when they were pushed back into the mud on a cold, foggy and rainy morning... All passengers had to leave the plane, first the last row, then the row before and so on. They changed the tires before re-boarding. But they stated that it was just as a matter of precaution and would not have been needed...


User currently offlineCVG2LGA From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 635 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14241 times:

Quoting Omoo (Reply 6):
Quoting Chiguire (Reply 2):
Wow, Mr. Patroni did a nice job again !

thats very funny, Patroni only shows up when there is snow. He likes cold and snowy runways.

And he likes cigars dont forget, along with the 707 because "she can do everything but read"

Tchau
DA-



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User currently offlineBAtriple7 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13636 times:

Great photos - thanks for that. How long was the a/c stuck?

User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2399 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11544 times:
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Nice pictures !!

Reminds me a kind of "déjà vu" a few years ago  Wink

FB.



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User currently offlinePolar1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11394 times:

"Mr. Patroni, she can't take anymore!"

"Yeah? Well, she's gonna get it!!!"

"HANG ON, WE'RE GOIN' FOR BROKE!!!"



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User currently offlineMiguelss From Colombia, joined Jul 2005, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11031 times:

One question: How long have been TAM flying to CDG?. Just curious.

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9251 times:

Thanks for the photos really interesting seeing that side of flying, or not flying as the case may be.


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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9079 times:

Is this type of incident common? Ive seen pics of a dl plane that did this on myaviation, and somewhere else of a plane in germany i beleive.


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User currently offlineBrasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8739 times:

Quoting Miguelss (Reply 16):
One question: How long have been TAM flying to CDG?. Just curious.

Since 1999, in partership with AF. Now, TAM has two daily flights, code-shared with ME and JL and some domestic routes of AF.

Quoting BAtriple7 (Reply 13):
How long was the a/c stuck?

There are more pics, which I didn't upload because their size would turn this page difficult to load, then. And one says: "21h41 la deuxième tentative est un succès". The flight arrived at 9.00 AM, so the aircraft remained stuck for about 12 hours.



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User currently offlineBrasuca From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 717 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8660 times:

BTW, couldn't the left engine thrust power have pulled the left gear out of the mud?!

Or would it just lead the front landing gear towards the grass as well?



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User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 26
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7904 times:

Good pictures and very informative to show in a pilots class what can happen if they are not fully on the yellow line.

Cheers
Legacy135 Wink


User currently offlineHarvardMan99 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6370 times:

THANKS for the fantastic pictures! And especially, HATS OFF! to the Air France ground crew. Superb work and professionalism.

User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2463 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6038 times:

Quoting Brasuca (Reply 20):
BTW, couldn't the left engine thrust power have pulled the left gear out of the mud?!

Uhhh, no.

Didn't you see how low the left engine was off the ground? God knows how much dirt, rock, and grass would have been sucked in. Then the plane surely would have been grounded.



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User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5208 times:

The aircraft was grounded for 24 hrs only. A landing gear kit was sent to CDG to be replaced and aircraft returned to work very fast.

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