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Allegiant Airline's 2006 Winter Expansion  
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5686 posts, RR: 52
Posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7433 times:

Allegiant Airlines has Grow Rapidly in the year of 2006 and with the acquisition of more MD-80s into their growing fleet; what can we expect from the Low Cost Low Fare Carrier as it ends 2005 into the Winter of 2006?

In 2005 Allegiant added Orlando Sanford as a (MINI) Hub which has turned out to be the biggest carrier at SFB. It already has 16 destination cities that fly into the airport day in and day out and so far its proved very profitable for G4. Many have stated that future Florida cities are on the horizon for Allegiant in the foreseeable future such as Fort Myer's with their brand new Terminal; Fort Lauderdale or Miami; and expansion into the Caribbean.

The airline has quickly rushed into the routes of Pan Am and TMA to reserve those cities that served TMA and Pan Am well and soon they will annouce many more cities. Here is a list I compiled with a friend that may prove to be very profitable for Allegiant in the first quarter of 2006.

Syracuse (SYR) This city was serviced by TMA just a few weeks ago and it did very well for them. This market would be one of the larger Allegiant Markets but would offer low cost travel to Orlando to all of upstate New York and could be even marketed for the Winter Ski Season in the area.

Columbus Rickenbacker (LCK) This city was service by Pan Am until the end of Summer before Pan Am scheduled a break in service until November; turns out they will not return. This airport is serviced by Hooters Air very well into MCO but their routes into SFB aboard Pan Am had very high loads and this area of Ohio has the most growth in the state; their would be NO Shortage of Passengers if the service is marketed correctly.

Youngstown/Warren (YNG) This area has been very unlucky; its location is stationed within an hour and 20 minutes of CLE-PIT-CAK snuggled away in the Industrial Area of Northeast Ohio. Many Airports this size would be served well with airlines; but with the growth of CAK and the international travel from CLE and PIT its been hard. Vacation Express had 80% loads while here in 2004. Pan Am left before even starting this past summer. It has some good qualities; 7,000,000 live within 1 Hour of the Facility; The Interstate to PIT-CLE-CAK is 2 minutes away; and the landing fees are only 1-2 dollars compared to CLE or PIT. $250,000 in unused marketing as well.

Other Cities to Consider; Erie, PA . Gary, IN . Southwest Florida (Fort Myers) . Miami-Ft. Lauderdale . Tampa-St. Pete

What other cities would you consider and how would the cities listed do well for the airline and do they have a good chance of service as many say.

Thanks
OH! PS-FATFlyer.. ATCRick. Can your elaborate on this or any other cities in the future plan?


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User currently offlineDeltaGuy767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 649 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7393 times:

Hey don't forget about the middle of nowehere Worcester MA.  smile 

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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4312 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7370 times:
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Quoting DeltaGuy767 (Reply 1):
Hey don't forget about the middle of nowehere Worcester MA. smile

????

Quoting Atrude777 (Thread starter):
In 2005 Allegiant added Orlando Sanford as a (MINI) Hub which has turned out to be the biggest carrier at SFB.

Just to clarify SFB is a focus city rather than a hub, You can't connect in SFB so it's not really a "mini hub".



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 649 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7366 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 2):
????

Alligant announced that they would be starting non-stop service form the Worcester airport in central Massachusetts about 40 miles form BOS to SfB this winter.

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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2929 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7339 times:

Given their niche and the cities they choose I wonder if they've given any thought about serving the smaller communities in Alaska. I seem to recall they serve Bellingham, WA.


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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4312 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7334 times:
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Quoting DeltaGuy767 (Reply 3):
Alligant announced that they would be starting non-stop service form the Worcester airport in central Massachusetts about 40 miles form BOS to SfB this winter.

I know Allegiant did, but not Alligant. Wink

On a serious note, what's your point? It was good news none the less, but could you elaborate on what your trying to say?



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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3763 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7305 times:

We all know what route I'd like them to start up.

User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4312 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7302 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 4):
Given their niche and the cities they choose I wonder if they've given any thought about serving the smaller communities in Alaska.

The MD-80 doesn't have the range to do LAS-Alaska or SFB-Alaska (obviously).



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 649 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7263 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 5):
On a serious note, what's your point? It was good news none the less, but could you elaborate on what your trying to say?

Now I'm not wuite sure what you mean sir? All I was saying is that Allegiant is starting service frim a small formely used airport in Central Massachusetts and startign service to Florida. The only reason why I am stating this is that I live about 40 miles West of the airport in question I don't think I would make any clearer.

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User currently offlineCsturdiv From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1427 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7264 times:

How about something like EVV - SFB? EVV is a similar sized town that TMA, Hooters and other similar carriers serve. It has been a while since I moved away from EVV, but when I was there they only had service to ORD (Am Eagle), CVG and ATL (Comair and ASA), DTW (NW) and I think PIT (US Air Exp).


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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7199 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Thread starter):
Other Cities to Consider; Erie, PA . Gary, IN . Southwest Florida (Fort Myers) . Miami-Ft. Lauderdale . Tampa-St. Pete

Erie... I'm surprised they haven't garnered one of these Florida carriers by now. Especially since Hooters is in damn near every city with a commercial airport in PA it seems lately. (PIT, AVP, ABE, etc.) I could see this. Limiting factor... what's the take off performance of an MD8x with fuel/pax/bags for Florida? Erie's runway isn't the longest in the world.

Gary... well, they weren't afraid to go after Hooters here in Allentown, but that would be another head to head fight. Also, they're already in SBN, and SBN isn't too far from GYY.

As for the Florida cities... I think they might sit tight in SFB for now.


User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7111 times:

There are so many MSA's in the U.S. that fit Allegiant's profile, it's hard to say what town will be next. Palm Springs threw me off, I must say......never would have guessed that.

Allegiant would never come to Alaska. As mentioned earlier, the MD's don't have the range to get to LAS, and there are already two carriers that operate that route (one of them seasonally) out of Anchorage. MAYBE KTN, SIT, or JNU, but I'm not sure if G4 has the nav equipment to use those airports, and if it would even be cost effective to operate such routes.

Don't get me wrong....I'd love to see the sun tail at an AK field. Gettin' tired of looking at the "old man" day after day.


User currently offlineMkirch72 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7110 times:

I think St. Petersburg/Clearwater/Tampa Bay (PIE) would be a logical choice. Right now the only US carriers are USA 3000 and Hooters (CanJet and Fly Conquest also fly to several cities in Canada). And both USA 300 and Hooters have had a lot of success. USA 3000 is now serving 7 cities from PIE and Hooters just announced an expansion as well (serving 5 cities).

The advantages are that PIE is literally directly across Tampa Bay from TPA. It is a short drive across the bay to Hillsboro County with it's 1 million residents. PIE itself is in Pinellas county with a population of 1 million. That doesn't count the residents of Pasco and Manatee counties as well.

I have flown several times on USA 3000 to PHL and CLE and load factors were 100% on every flight.

I think the logical choice would be PIE-LAS. Only America West and Southwest have nonstops from TPA-LAS. I recently flew Frontier to LAS via DEN and about 60% of the passengers from TPA-DEN were also on the DEN to LAS flight. It seems the need for a PIE-LAS route is there.

And it would be nice to see some more airlines use PIE. Recent departures include Southeast, Lehigh Valley Air, ATA and Pan Am.


User currently offlineJeb94 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 588 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7041 times:

Unfortunately, the MD-80 doesn't have the legs for Florida to LAS non-stop. With a useful load, the aircraft can usually fly around 1700 nautical miles, maybe 1800 at most.

User currently offlineAtcrick From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 770 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7039 times:

Evening all,

Wow, exciting stuff, huh? G4 continues to expand and started LAS-FAR service today. On the books, LAS-IDA, LAS-PSP, LAS-TOL, SFB-TOL, SFB-ORH. Big happenings at G4. Stay tuned.



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User currently offlineATLgaUSA From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6906 times:

I think Huntsville, AL and Knoxville, TN would be good markets for Allegiant.

HSV-LAS is 1600 miles and within range of the MD80s.
HSV-MCO is served by regional jets (I believe), but discounted fares and a full size jet would probably win this market over.

TYS-LAS is 1739 miles and might be a little too far for the MD80s.
TYS-SFB I believe is also served by regional jets but discounted fares and a full size jet would probably win the market over here as well.

Lexington, KY might be a good market as well.

LEX-LAS is 1686 miles and not served nonstop. LEX-MCO looks to be served once daily by a ERJ, I think Allegiant could establish themselves on that route as well.


User currently offlinePHXinterrupted From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6892 times:

Quoting Loisencroach (Reply 11):
There are so many MSA's in the U.S. that fit Allegiant's profile, it's hard to say what town will be next. Palm Springs threw me off, I must say......never would have guessed that.

I agree. And they are only doing weekend flights to Vegas.



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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6844 times:

LAS-JNU is 1775 miles... might be... although i dont know how many of Juneau's residents would want to go to Las Vegas? Possibly FAI-JUN-LAS? YXY-JUN-LAS? i dont think theyd attempt anchorage as AS would kill them a la NW.

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User currently offlineLoisencroach From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 373 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6764 times:

Juneau has one of the most affluent population centers in the state...packages to Vegas could work if they had a good working relationship with an area travel agency to fill the seats. You won't see those $69 one-ways out of JNU, though.

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6746 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Thread starter):
Youngstown/Warren (YNG) This area has been very unlucky; its location is stationed within an hour and 20 minutes of CLE-PIT-CAK snuggled away in the Industrial Area of Northeast Ohio. Many Airports this size would be served well with airlines; but with the growth of CAK and the international travel from CLE and PIT its been hard. Vacation Express had 80% loads while here in 2004. Pan Am left before even starting this past summer. It has some good qualities; 7,000,000 live within 1 Hour of the Facility; The Interstate to PIT-CLE-CAK is 2 minutes away; and the landing fees are only 1-2 dollars compared to CLE or PIT. $250,000 in unused marketing as well.

It would make more sense to fly out of PIT and attract way more people than YNG! Also YNG is such a depressed area.



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6705 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 19):
It would make more sense to fly out of PIT and attract way more people than YNG! Also YNG is such a depressed area.

PIT-Orlando, and PIT-LAS is already saturated. (US, WN, Airtran for MCO, US/HP, WN for LAS)


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5686 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6653 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 20):

PIT-Orlando, and PIT-LAS is already saturated. (US, WN, Airtran for MCO, US/HP, WN for LAS)

Exactly, which is why YNG is more attractive too.

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 19):
It would make more sense to fly out of PIT and attract way more people than YNG! Also YNG is such a depressed area.

As tornado82 stated too many airlines on the PIT to Florida routes..

YNG Fits Allegiant's Model; it was in a paper they were in talks with Allegiant and PIT has flights like these already; they would try to help YNG out and get the cheap gate space and free parking.. PIT doesn't fit into allegiant's model at all. If it did, they would already fly there, but it doesn't.

Alex



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6617 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 21):
Exactly, which is why YNG is more attractive too.

Sorry I have been to YNG and there is NOTHING attractive about the area, let alone people with disposable income to travel. Pit would still be a better choice and would naturally attract a wider audience. And IF Vacation Express was in fact getting 80% load factors, it was because they were giving it away, price wise.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5686 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6595 times:

Luv2fly- My friend linked me to a video about YNG and such, looks interesting and amazing, check it out!!

http://www.mtsart.com/yng/YNG.wmv and maybe check out these photos of downtown Ytown.

http://www.downtownyoungstown.com/gallery/

From what my friend said and I agree, it certainly sure looks better than it was 10 years ago; and btw; the Mahoning Valley is the highest paid area in All Of Ohio; averaging $21 an hour....not to bad, considering I only make 6.50...in Illinois.

Alex



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User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1986 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6592 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 22):
Pit would still be a better choice and would naturally attract a wider audience

If it were a different airline I would agree with you, but we're talking about Allegiant who targets the smaller/medium sized airports. They serve FNL and no one else does, so why not YNG? I think YNG with 2x weekly to LAS and 3x weekly to SFB would be sufficient. Allegiant's business model doesn't rely on the big city to big city revenue...they make their name in the smaller communities. I also think other cities that could pick up G4 service would be ERI, CRW, and MDT.


25 Luv2fly : If the Mahoning Valley is the highest paid area in all of Ohio like you claim, it is because only eight people in the whole area have jobs!!!! Trust
26 Luv2fly : Also keep in mind that Airtran flies out of CAK and already serves MCO proper and a flight to LAS as well. I think unless Allegiant was giving it awa
27 Tornado82 : The richest area in Ohio is the Dublin-Powell area, i.e. Columbus' northern suburbs.
28 Atrude777 : My friend lives there, so he also knows what he is talking about, and I have been there too, only once and it was a while ago, so it is not what I re
29 Ouboy79 : Allegiant and YNG have been debated time and time again on usaflying.com, guess it was only a matter of time till it came here. I have to agree with
30 Luv2fly : Out of all of Ohio the best option city wise would be LCK or DAY if you want my opinion!
31 G4resagent : Although the article is a bit out of date, Allegiant is in this month's Airliners magazine. You might want to pick it up!
32 Ouboy79 : Well they chose TOL first, but LCK I would imagine would be the next one if they add in another city. The problem though is the range to LAS on the M
33 Bruce : They added GRB last summer twice per week and now up it to 4x per week so I think we are doing well for them here in Green Bay. bruce
34 Flyinryan99 : I totally agree. DAY - LAS is probably one of the largest untapped markets out there. The question is, does the DAY airport authority want them or do
35 Luv2fly : I agree with what your saying, DAY would be a good choice especially if they get there before Airtran. Also FWA could work for the reasons you point
36 CIDflyer : What other cities do you think G4 could possibly start? I can think of a few...EVV, FWA, RST(Rochester, MN), DLH(Duluth, MN), LEX, LNK(Lincoln, NE)...
37 Loisencroach : My guess is Moab, Utah. Since their are over 150 different possible MSA's that fit Allegiant's destination profile, I'm going to guess one that doesn'
38 ATCRick : Okay, I want all of your resume's immediately for the position of expansion planning. lol...I love how everybody bounces Allegiants expansion plans ar
39 LUVRSW : Better get CWA before WN grabs it!
40 Post contains images Iowaman : How about ALO because it's only an hour from my house. But a more serious idea would be MLI, it's only 2 or so hours from CID but I really think it wo
41 Flyinryan99 : Funny you should say that ATCRick....I had applied for the Fare / Route Analysis position back in February. I had someone email me back an evaluation
42 Post contains images N908AW : Whoa...what? Wishful thinkin... Oh its our pleasure...at G4 we know it isn't a matter of if a new city is about to be announced, but what it will be.
43 KcrwFlyer : Hey Rick, Whats the minimum runway you guys need for about 950 miles of flight on a hot summer day? And does G4 have its own gate anywhere?
44 DeltaRules : I was wondering the same thing, as to whether Allegiant would pick up where Southeast & Pan Am left off & operate LCK-SFB. I think they could make it
45 Cadet57 : can worcester even handle pax anymore? Cuz iirc there is no longer any airline service there. So are they all alone? Also didnt they get a new termin
46 Loisencroach : What does iirc mean? I have always wondered, but could somebody help me out?
47 KcrwFlyer : If i recall correctly?
48 September11 : good point ... my family friends bought tickets on Pan Am few month ago -- for travel from Rickenbacker to Sanford this Christmas. I have not talked
49 PVD757 : How about TTN Trenton, NJ or ILG Wilmington DE for G4??? Both could probably support 3 or 4xweekly to SFB... add PWM to that list too.
50 FATFlyer : Worcester won't be unique. Allegiant also is the only airline at Ft. Collins/Loveland.
51 ATCRick : KcrwFlyer, Alot of it depends on field elevation. 950 miles isnt that far for an MD-80. We have our own gates here in LAS, FNL(Only game in town ther
52 Loisencroach : I never thought of that. ILG might be a harder sell because of all the low fare activity at PHL, but Trenton and Wilmington are both cities that seem
53 YOW : Given they've applied for Transborder route authority, hopefully we'll see some Canadian destinations added next year.
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