Samurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2461 posts, RR: 4 Posted (14 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3349 times:
I'd love to hear from anyone in this forum who's ever flown in a Fokker F27 turboprop. I know that the F27 was the best-selling turboprop of its time, as at least 500 or so were built and oredered by airlines and military forces around the world. It first came out in the late 1950s. How was the noise and comfort compared with today's turboprops of similar size like the Fokker 50 (a modern version of the F27), the Dash 8-300 and the Saab 2000? There was also an American lookalike manufactured by Fairchild and called the FH-227, which was a strengthened version of the F27. Fairchild, BTW, did also manufacture F27s - it had a licence to do so from Fokker, I think.
Expex From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (14 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3279 times:
Samurai 777: The F-27 was a nice aircraft to fly on. It was roomy, or so I remember. The flight was DL connector (Business Express) from LGA-PVD-MHT. No problems to speak of. This aircraft was taken over from Pilgrim when BEX purchased that carrier.
Additionally, when I worked for Eastern Express/Precision Airlines at EEN, passengers where always saying how much they enjoyed the F-27/FH-227 when Northeast, Allegheny, Delta, Mohawk, and Pilgrim had flown them in years past. They surely got more praise than our Dorniers and Beechs!
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DC-9CAPT From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (14 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3270 times:
I agree with Expex...the F-27 was/is a great plane to fly on as a passenger. The Big Oval windows allow for great viewing, the ride is comfortable, and I prefer the Friendship over all turboprops--except for the Cvr 580. The Dart engines were relatively quiet and it's a lot like a high winged Viscount.
The one thing that takes getting used to on the Fokker is the pneumatic actuators for the landing gear and the brakes. When taxiing, it almost sounds like a city bus when the brakes are applied. The seating is 2 X 2. The older 100 series had the open racks above the seats, the newer 500 series (which were, remarkably manufactured through the 80s!!) had conventional overhead bins.
I flew on F-27s with Luxair and Air Wisconsin. The history of the aircraft is remarkable. Today, your only opportunity to fly on one in the US is with Eagle Jet Charter on a scenic flight over the Grand Canyon. The fact that they chose the F-27 for such a venture speaks volumes about its comfort.
Fanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2057 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (14 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3260 times:
I flew on an Indian Airlines Friendship when I was 8, and I remember the flight as if it were yesterday (though the event actually occurred much longer ago than this plane spotter would care to admit).
I love the large windows and the extraordinary views this high-wing airliner afforded. With the fuselage so close to the ground and the roar of those mighty Rolls Royce Darts, the sense of power and speed on takeoff were exhiliarting! Watching the wheels retract and lower were also a treat, and seeing those tires floating above the landscape during finals was a most unusual sensation.
I have heard that the F-27, with its cramped galley, was a dog to work on. But for an 8-year-old boy already smitten by the airplane bug, it was pure ecstacy!
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F27 From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (14 years 10 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3257 times:
I had my first aircraft flight in an F27 as a 14 year old with Ansett Airlines of Australia little thinking that within 2 years i would be working on the type. They were a very good simple aircraft to work on and fly in.
A friend and myself actually gave up flying on a jet to travel from Alice Spring to Darwin on the milk run in the Northern Territory. I also had many test flights on them as well as commercial flights i just simply loved em and have a lot of fond memories of the type.It was a sad day to see the last one go in the late 80's
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4431 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (14 years 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3251 times:
I have flown on a Friendship two times. In 1993, I flew Norwich-Amsterdam on a Air UK F-27 500. It had 52 seats and felt a bit cramped. The big windows were nice, but in the Air UK version, they had some sort of a yellowish sunshield, which was scratched too, so looking outside was not so nice. The flight was quite comfortable.
My second Friendship flight was in March 2000, when I flew Merpati from Denpasar to Mataram. The seat arrangement felt more spacious than the Air UK one.
The aircraft was not particularly noisy, actually I like the high 'shreek' of the RR Darts above the more conventional sound of most newer props. So I don't think there is very much difference in comfort, compared to a newer prop. The ATR or older Dash-8s are about as noisy from the inside, but the Fokker 50 and Dash 8 400Q are more quiet.
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Rpwgw From Australia, joined Jun 1999, 209 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (14 years 10 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3249 times:
The F27 is my favourite aircraft. I regularly flew them in New Zealand to visit my grandmother when I was a small boy. NAC and later Air New Zealand operated a fleet of about 15 100s, 200s and 500s and sold them off in favour of smaller aircraft for higher frequency services. Anyway we used to fly from wellington to Hokitika via Nelson and Westport - so three takeoffs and landings which was great. The flight attendants used to open the cockpit door and you could look through the freight compartment to see the tech crew at work. Later the flight only went via Westport. The alternative was to fly down to Christchurch on a 737-200 and accross on the F27 one stop to Hokitika. I love the noise that they make and I think that hanging around the small airport at Hokitika did someting to me as a boy. Now I go past a small airport and have to stop in to watch a flight turnaround!! My wife humours me by letting me do this ocassionally.
I loved the big windows and watching the undercarriage come down and the darts roaring away. I got to look over ZK-BXF a few times at Air New Zealand Engineering. The aircraft is maintained in a state where the engines are able to be started up but the airframe is not airworthy - although it could easily be brought back to that state. It was a thrill to open the doors climb into the captain's seat and get photograhed!! Pity you can tell it's in a hangar!!