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SIA Cargo Launch Customer For 777LRF?  
User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4237 times:

Looks like SIA's cargo division is evaluating the 777LRF, 747Adv and A380F for fleet expansion, capacity increases:
http://www.flightinternational.com/A...747+Advanced+and+777F.html#Scene_1

My gut says they'll go for the 777 as they are a large operator of the type and they've said in the past that they love the aircraft... Would seem to fit into their portfolio rather well.


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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4205 times:

I thought AF already ordered it?


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4209 times:

If I were a betting man, I'd place my money on the 747AF. The issues of commonality in the Cargo fleet will drive the decision in that way.

User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4175 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
I thought AF already ordered it?

They did. Perhaps I should have been a bit more clear and said "An additional Launch Customer"... I believe AC will also be a Launch Customer for the type. Hey, seeing how conservative SIA has been, perhaps they'll wait awhile before committing.



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User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4148 times:

The 777F while a very good freighter, really doesn't fit into SQ Cargo route structure. The 747AF is really what they need. The increased lift and lower operating costs would make it a great addition. The key is it would also keep the infrastructure changes to a minimum.

User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3984 times:

First I must say its odd you chose the least impressive of the 3 possibilities evaluated by SIA for the title of this discussion.

Anyway, besides that I wouldn´t bet on any type alone. 747 Advanced looks most likely to me as it fits best and seems to have the optimum size for large scale freight operators. The recent rise in orders for the 744F shows that again. The 777ERF, which has had a rather slow program start so far with dissappointingly few sales in the first 6 months, I can only see as a minor sub-fleet. The 777ERF surely will never feature as the standard freighter of SIA, but maybe they want a few for more exotic destinations as there could to be a chance for some growth. In general SIA seems to do very fine with the 744Fs alone (that is strengthened by the fact that they just announced to convert three older pax 744s). The A380F is a different issue. So far it doesn´t seem to be a much liked choice of operators who use and need the unique capabilities of 747Fs now.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

The B747AdvF seems nearly certain to be ordered by SQ. The B777F is a possibility, but I would bet against it. The A380F seems most unlikely as it has no advantages for SQ (or any other cargo carrier which cares more about weight than volume) over the B747AdvF.

User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 5):
First I must say its odd you chose the least impressive of the 3 possibilities evaluated by SIA for the title of this discussion.

With all due respect, that's your opinion, not mine. I couldn't agree more with the rest of your thoughtful comments.

[Edited 2005-11-08 17:28:52]


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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3782 times:

Any Link on the B777LRF with Tech data.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineWidebodyphotog From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 917 posts, RR: 67
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3724 times:

777 Freighter Technical Characteristics



-widebodyphotog



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User currently offlineN60659 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 654 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3687 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 5):
The 777ERF, which has had a rather slow program start so far with dissappointingly few sales in the first 6 months, I can only see as a minor sub-fleet.


  • First off, the correct designation for the type is 777F. It is based on the 777-200LR platform.
  • Secondly, it was given the official go-ahead on May 24, 2005 and since then it has racked up 9 orders (5 for AF and 4 for the Avion Group).
  • Third, there are several additional operators that are evaluating the type for cargo operations including, AC, QR, and EK to name a few.

Evaluating the success of any aircraft type which has been officially on the market for just six months (especially when there are several on-going sales campaigns) is misleading.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
Any Link on the B777LRF with Tech data.

Best link I could find on the subject is this:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777...amily/pf/pf_freighter_product.html

-N60659



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User currently offlinePHXinterrupted From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3644 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 5):
First I must say its odd you chose the least impressive of the 3 possibilities evaluated by SIA for the title of this discussion.

That's your opinion, pal.



Keepin' it real.
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3508 times:

Quoting N60659 (Reply 10):
Secondly, it was given the official go-ahead on May 24, 2005 and since then it has racked up 9 orders (5 for AF and 4 for the Avion Group

Has the Avion (Air Atlanta Icelandic) deal been signed yet? They also have purchase rights for a further 2 B772LRFs.



I genuinely believe this aircraft will do very in the freighter market with its predicted economics and performance.

Horus



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User currently offlineN60659 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 654 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3487 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 12):
Has the Avion (Air Atlanta Icelandic) deal been signed yet?

I believe it has. Boeing normally doesn't list it as a firm order on it's Orders and Deliveries website unless it is officially signed. I have heard nothing to the contrary.

-N60659



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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3474 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 5):
the least impressive of the 3 possibilities evaluated by SIA for the title of this discussion.


Strange way to describe what will arguably be one of the world's most impressive aircraft. If current trends hold, it will be the longest range plane in service.


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3472 times:

Thanks for the info N60659.

Horus



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26449 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3466 times:

Quoting NA (Reply 5):
First I must say its odd you chose the least impressive of the 3 possibilities evaluated by SIA for the title of this discussion.

The 772LRF is a more capable freighter from an uplift standpoint than either the A380F or the 744F. In turn, the 744F and the 747ADVF are both more capable than the A380F



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3431 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
. In turn, the 744F and the 747ADVF are both more capable than the A380F

And this is based on what ?



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlinePhilSquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3427 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
The 772LRF is a more capable freighter from an uplift standpoint than either the A380F or the 744F

???????

I think you're mistaken. The current 744F has a max payload of just under 124 Tonnes while the 777LRF has a max payload of just under 104 Tonnes. The 747AF is obviously an improvement above the current 744F.

So, I don't know how you can make a statement about the 777LRF.

One thing I did fail to mention about the current evaluation is the A380F is DOA due to it's payload restrictions and limited payload when compared to lift v. ZFW.


User currently offlineN60659 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 654 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3421 times:

Quoting N60659 (Reply 10):
AC, QR, and EK

Not to forget BR which, earlier this year, stated an interest in acquiring 10 airframes of the type:

http://flightinternational.com/Artic...second+777F+customer+.html#Scene_1

Quoting Horus (Reply 15):
Thanks for the info N60659.

Sure. No problem.

-N60659



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