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Cyprus Airways - Whats Going On?  
User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

Hiya guys - anyone know whats going on with Cyprus? Are they about to go bankrupt do you know?

What about their A332s? Are they going to sell them off?

I wonder if the Government will step in and help them out...


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8565 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4200 times:
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Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Thread starter):
I wonder if the Government will step in and help them out...

don't think they are allowed to under EU law - but of course that law has never stopped the Italian and Greek governments from trying to play Dr Frankenstein and re-animate the dead at taxpayer expense  Wink



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

I believe there are talks of seeking approval from the EU for the Cyprus government to provide a restructuring loan. whether or not this will end up getting paid back remains to be seen, but in the grand tradition of Mediterranean state-owned airlines I suspect not.....

There has been talk of large scale job cuts and the removal of some aircraft. Problem with the A332s is that they can fill them on the London runs easily (their most important along with ATH), but are simply too big for their other routes...



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User currently offlineEha From France, joined May 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4184 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Thread starter):
What about their A332s? Are they going to sell them off?

The 2 A330-200, built in 2002/03 and delivered to Cyprus Airways end of August 05 are leased from ILFC. They do not own them.

E.


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4512 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4163 times:

I wasn't even aware that they were having financial troubles - what is going on with them?


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User currently offlineEha From France, joined May 2005, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4139 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Thread starter):

I wonder if the Government will step in and help them out...

In fact, there have been (conflicting) reports on the governement being willing to sell its majority stake (they own 70% of the airline)!

It has been said that the airline could run out of cash by year end. Therefore the plan of the govt, subject to EU approval to inject some cash, or to find someone to buy the airline...and the losses....

E.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4040 times:

I know they had 8 A320s this time last year - one went to Opa Locka  Sad - anyone know where the other went?


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2161 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3930 times:

Are there any online news sources giving an indication of what is up at CY? Is there a business paper from Cyrpus that could be accessed online?

User currently offlineDeC From Greece, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3903 times:

Quoting AF022 (Reply 7):
Are there any online news sources giving an indication of what is up at CY? Is there a business paper from Cyrpus that could be accessed online?

Yeap, www.cyprusweekly.com.cy is a very good source.

"CYPRUS AIRWAYS: we are ready to sell"

"By Charlie Charalambous

AS A WAY out of the cash-crisis threatening Cyprus Airways' continued existence, the government is prepared to sell-off the state-owned airline to any interested buyer, President Papadopoulos revealed yesterday."

Read the full article here:
http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/default.aspx?FrontPageID=304_2


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Cyprus Airways have been running on very high ticket prices for many years, since no other airline would service Cyprus before (apart some Olympic Airlines routes which were equally, or sometimes even more expensive anyway). Now, thing is that they went around operating on very high costs as well (a main factor being the huge number of employees and crew along with their overblown salaries that went on for many years) making huge debts which were somewhat balanced by the great amount of income they’ve been enjoying for years, due to monopoly.

Things changed however, when Cyprus became a full member of the E.U a couple of years back and several airlines, led by Cyprus Airways’s no.1 ‘enemy’, Greece’s Aegean (and Cypriot Helios Airways which was formed a little earlier but basically flourished its operations when we became full E.U members as well – only to be stopped by the tragic 14th of August crash, but that’s another story..) were allowed to fully operate in Cyprus as well. With the introduction of significantly lower ticket fees, excellent service and new fleet, Aegean Airlines took ‘em by surprise with a great amount of Cypriot people who live abroad (mainly Greece, myself included as well) traveling exclusively with Aegean and abandoning Cyprus Airways which demanded (and still demands, despite the dramatic drop of their tickets’ price) a lot more money for the exact same routes and service.

Now, they are facing huge debts which they are desperately trying to deal with, by firing a lot of employees and largely decreasing the salary of the remaining ones among many other actions as well. Thing is that because they had to lower their ticket prices as well, so they could be somewhat competitive again, their income was decreased with it so they can’t find a way to meet their legalities now. Nobody knows what’s going to happen and if you ask me, the purchase of those brand new A330’s got them even deeper in trouble.



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3889 times:

I read their Middle Eastern flights are heavily reliant on passengers making onward connections from Europe through LCA.

Horus



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User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3835 times:

I've put my wife and kid on CY for our Xmas trip to BEY. Yes Horus, it's quite an attractive connecting point to avoid red-eye services to the Eastern Med.

I'll be traveling AZ myself via MXP having an award ticket.

I'm starting to wonder if any of us will be flying at all between AZ and CY...  no 



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25346 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

The saga at Cyprus Airways has been going for a little while now.

The financially troubled loss making carrier has been looking to receive state aid to avoid a shut down. In order to receive EU approval for the aid, the carrier needs to accept a long term restructuring plan. An earlier study had concluded the carrier needs to shed atleast 1/5 of its work force and cut cost including fleet reductions, and the closure of its loss making Hellas Jet subsidiary. However the highly unionized workforce has rejected all proposals that would affect employment and pay.

The ball is now again back in the hands of the Cypriot government whom need to make some tough decisions if the airline is to continue.

Any potential private sale would almost certainly also require many non popular changes before a buyer would be willing to invest.



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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2161 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3656 times:

When looking at schedules it seems that CY has a middle-of-the night flight to Heathrow, leaving LCA at some ungodly hour. Can this flight possibly be performing well?

Does anyone know what the loads are? I would guess the evening departure to LHR does very well, but the early flight must be empty.

I guess the flight is for positioning, but who wants to depart LCA at 0335 for a 5 hour flight? Awful.


User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3648 times:

In the grand tradition of inefficient state-owned/supported airlines, I would expect more help from the government, and nothing to change at all........a la Olympic.


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User currently offlineBBADXB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3588 times:

Can someone please tell me how many A330s, A320s and A319s they have in their fleet at present?

Thanks.


User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2363 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3454 times:

Don't you think that a 332 would be too much plane for what the use them for?


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User currently offlineDeC From Greece, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3354 times:

Quoting BBADXB (Reply 14):
an someone please tell me how many A330s, A320s and A319s they have in their fleet at present?

Thanks.

The fleet therefore in 2003, consists of eight Airbus A320s, two A319s and two A330s. Eurocypria, Cyprus Airways' subsidiary charter company operates with four brand new Boeing 737-800.

http://www.cyprusairways.com/

[Edited 2005-11-14 11:34:15]


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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

Quoting AF022 (Reply 12):
When looking at schedules it seems that CY has a middle-of-the night flight to Heathrow, leaving LCA at some ungodly hour. Can this flight possibly be performing well?

Does anyone know what the loads are? I would guess the evening departure to LHR does very well, but the early flight must be empty.

I guess the flight is for positioning, but who wants to depart LCA at 0335 for a 5 hour flight? Awful

Works just fine - you have to remember the Brits are well versed at flying to and from their Med holiday destinations at obscure hours. I've flown on it when pretty packed and also at quieter times. At easter, summer, Xmas etc it can be full.

Part of the problem is a lack of slots at LHR, as an existing operator without stacks of cash, they have to take what slots they can - and this can mean unattractive hours. But i beleive Olympic have a similar early morning flight form Greece to LHR too, so it might be an Eastern Med sort of thing....



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