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Colombia's Coffee Region In Air Canada’s Plans  
User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

Today an economic newspaper in Colombia has an article about the plans of Air Canada to expand to the Coffee Region in Colombia (where three important intermediate cities are located).

For the Spanish speakers:
http://www.portafolio.com.co/port_se...B-NOTA_INTERIOR_PORTA-2600093.html


For the English speakers: (Translated by WorldLingo.com)

The Canadian airline initiated conversations with government authorities of the Coffee region, Cartagena and Bogota, with the purpose of stimulating the Canadian tourism to these destinations.
It was announced by the director of Air Canada for Colombia, Yasmin Sabbag, who explained that the high flow of passengers between both countries forced the company to change the aircraft to take care of the demand. Initially, the change of aircraft, a Boeing 767-300 was going to operate until mid February, but the headquarters extended this operation until March of the 2006.
The increase in the operation obeys to the existence of a high number of Canadian tourists who wish to take their vacations in the Coffee region, zone that is very being promoted in Canada; also Cartagena and Bogota. With the change of aircraft, 8 tons of cargo could be mobilized.


So is this code shared with AV? How does this work?
I went to the coffee region for vacations last year and it was extremely pleasant and fun, I completely understand the increase of demand in Canada for these destinations.

[Edited 2005-11-08 19:13:42]


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User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

As far as I know, the AC flights are codeshared with AV and I think I was reading that AV wants eventually to start flights to Canada themselves, once they have more aircraft available.
It is good to see that people from other counties are traveling to Colombia and I do feel happy for the Colombians and it's economy. Growing economy means more business, equal more jobs, equal better live. Good to see, hopefully it goes on and other destinations and airlines will follow.

Saludos
Legacy135 Wink


User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3219 times:

Great to see.

I know they are doing well on their YYZ BOG flights and upguaged to a 763 over winter. Maybe they will increase frequecny too?

I hear a rumour, with a somewhat decent source, that AC might go daily YYZ-CCS-BOG operating either an A319 or even a 763 if there are a/c available. Perhaps they could get rights on the CCS BOG section (like they do SCL EZE).


User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3204 times:

Quoting CayMan (Reply 2):
Perhaps they could get rights on the CCS BOG section (like they do SCL EZE).

Would be great to see AC with a 763 in CCS daily !
But I doubt traffic rights between CCS and BOG would make sense for them. If they operate a triangle YYZ-CCS-BOG-YYZ then they could only offer oneways...
The only point would be cargo. But then they should better operate YYZ-BOG-CCS-YYZ !


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3160 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 3):
If they operate a triangle YYZ-CCS-BOG-YYZ then they could only offer oneways...

they could serve 4 weekly triangle yyz-bog-ccs-yyz and 3 weekly triangle yyz-ccs-bog-yyz. first with the 767-300 than upgrade to the A330-300 and than split the flights again yyz-ccs-yyz and yyz-bog-yyz and operate them daily with the B767-300  Wink oh yes I am dreaming



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3148 times:

Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 1):
It is good to see that people from other counties are traveling to Colombia and I do feel happy for the Colombians and it's economy.

Thanks. Yes, this part of the country is now days, the third tourist destination in Colombia because it has many great things to see and do:



The Coffee Park (with all the process of Coffee growing, toasting and brewing), rides, restaurants, museum, etc.

Many awesome rivers for rafting and kayaking and other water sports, enjoy the different towns with its awesome architecture and truly the friendliest people I have ever met.



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3116 times:

Ya I should have clarified the rumour I heard was not a triangle but in fact a YYZ CCS BOG CCS YYZ routing.

Might work if they had CCS BOG rights. On the other hand it would remove the benefit of the non stop YYZ-BOG-YYZ service. I assume part of what AC is building the route for is connecting traffic on to Europe and maybe Asia through YYZ--especially with many pax wanting to avoid US. Maybe a 1 stop via CCS would make the flight a little too long to be attarctive for the BOG YYZ market. On the other hand, the only other alternative would still be to connect.

All interesting stuff.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3103 times:

Quoting CayMan (Reply 6):
Maybe a 1 stop via CCS would make the flight a little too long to be attarctive for the BOG YYZ market. On the other hand, the only other alternative would still be to connect.

would be intresting to see the results...

AC seems very intrested in the connecing market because the are offering very good fares from Colombia to Europe and Europe to Colombia.

regards
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

Indeed many Canadians visiting Manizales and Quindío. Very good to see that AC wants to expand, but they cant add more than 3 frecuencies until AV starts flights to Canada, then, they wont even be able to fly daily, but 4x weekly. the only thing they can do is fly a 767 on the route to grow capacity.


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User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3066 times:

or code share with AV. Maybe go daily with 4x weekly Ac and 3x weekly AV, and offer connections on to Europe.

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

Quoting CayMan (Reply 9):
or code share with AV. Maybe go daily with 4x weekly Ac and 3x weekly AV, and offer connections on to Europe

isnt Avianca already code-share on the AC flights (or at least has the plans to do it?) I think they have the exaclty plans 4 x AC and 3 x AV flights...

regards
Avianca



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3048 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 4):

they could serve 4 weekly triangle yyz-bog-ccs-yyz and 3 weekly triangle yyz-ccs-bog-yyz. first with the 767-300 than upgrade to the A330-300 and than split the flights again yyz-ccs-yyz and yyz-bog-yyz and operate them daily with the B767-300 Wink oh yes I am dreaming

I thought we wanted to get drunk tomorrow.....

Quoting CayMan (Reply 9):
or code share with AV. Maybe go daily with 4x weekly Ac and 3x weekly AV, and offer connections on to Europe.

If AC codeshares with AV they can fly a daily nonstop YYZ-BOG-YYZ and use AV connections to CCS. For the passengers that doesn't make a big difference. If POS or BOG..... They loose the CCS-YYZ nonstop, but they can sell a daily flight via BOG.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3039 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 11):
I thought we wanted to get drunk tomorrow.....

we will, dont worry...  bouncy   drunk 

[Edited 2005-11-09 00:02:25]


Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3035 times:

My question remains: Who's taking these customers from BOG to MZL for example.

I just called AC to make a reservation from Montreal to MZL and they told me that I will fly to BOG with them but in BOG I am on my way. They suggested me AV to go to MZL but they said that they don't have a code share.

Any information about this?



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3025 times:

Maybe canadian tour operators have special fares on a colombian carrier to connect with AC iin BOG.
It must not be the airline itself selling the seats.
There might be colombian incoming agents selling packages to the canadian operators including the domestic flights.
Maybe we can find out checking some canadian tour operator sites.


User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 14):
Maybe canadian tour operators have special fares on a colombian carrier to connect with AC iin BOG

Good point, it has to be something like that.



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2809 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 10):
isnt Avianca already code-share on the AC flights (or at least has the plans to do it?) I think they have the exaclty plans 4 x AC and 3 x AV flights...

Indeed, and its not the plan, it what the bilateral allows for. No more AV no more AC than that. AV 3x, AC 4x.



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