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How Much, Is Too Much On Board?  
User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2400 posts, RR: 26
Posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4726 times:

How much , is too much on board?

Passengers bring on board very heavy articles. Some bring too many bags. Some I don't know how they even get through the aisle with the things they bring on. This happens a lot in the United States. And can cause many delays due to a slower boarding process.

Many say that people bring everything with them due to airlines losing their bags over and over again when they check them. How true is this?

Is it the airlines fault? Or is it American society, who have become to lazy to even grab their bags at the end of the flight from a baggage claim, taking away time from them?

I have seen in many other countries that big bags are banned in the cabin, which means a quick boarding process, and no hassles in finding space.

I have seen many passengers get into fights/arguments over overhead compartments.

Should American carriers start to ban large pieces in the cabin, and really enforce it? Will it fly? Will the flying public allow such rules?

Any thoughts?  smile 


"The low fares airline."
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User currently offlineLehovec From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 296 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4708 times:

I work as a cabin crew and I hate when pax come onboard with 5 bags... the only comment i can make is: "We DO have a hold you know"... It for sure does slow down boarding... worst part of it, when you have full flight and then pax comes with 3 bags and goes: "Sorry, there is no any room for my bags"... or they bring overweight bags and then go: "I can't lift it to overhead locker".

Anyway, I think strict rule should be really enforced by check in agents... one piece of hand baggage ONLY... and one piece means one piece and not two or three...


User currently offlineIRelayer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4660 times:

I travel light most of the time. I have become adept at stuffing a week's worth of clothing and all of my pertinent toiletries and devices into my school backpack. ..and it still fits in the overhead or at my feet. Many people cannot do this however, and they refuse to check baggage especially around the holidays b/c there is ALWAYS a fiasco (as there was last year with US air losing ppl's bags) and people usually have gifts or other important items like nice clothes that they absolutely NEED and cannot wait for. So I think it is sort of a problem with people here but also sort of an indication of the low expectations people in the US have of our airlines and their ability to handle things properly. Losing your checked luggage is NOT an unfounded fear and I think that a lot needs to be done to restore trust in this area before blaming passengers for bringing on too many bags. On the other hand I think the rule needs to be enforced...one bag that fits in that spacer thingy and one personal item, like a purse or a laptop bag. That should be it. I have seen too many people get away with bringing their entire closet onto a plane and then making a fuss about it when asked and being allowed to carry on...

-IR


User currently offlineSirOmega From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4607 times:

Yea, when I fly I try to fit all my important stuff in my backpack (laptop, iPod, snacks, water bottles, etc), and since its midly deformable, I can usually fit it under the seat. Everything else ends up in my checked luggage.

User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4597 times:

In hundreds of flights and 27 years of flying I've never had a bag lost. Too much is more than the 2 alotted items. Too much can also be only 2 bags if they are too big or you cannot lift them without assistance. The OHB have a weight limit. Who wants someones monster bag landing on your head in a turbulence or a hard landing?

User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4523 times:

Quoting Lehovec (Reply 1):
I work as a cabin crew and I hate when pax come onboard with 5 bags..

Why don't your boarding agents make them "gate check" a few bags?

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 4):
In hundreds of flights and 27 years of flying I've never had a bag lost.

MAN! You're LUCKY!


User currently offlineBwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4455 times:

I remember working a flight on 13th Sept 2001. Hand baggage was banned for a couple of weeks after the tragic events. Passengers were given a small clear plastic bag at check in for their wallets, purses, medication etc, and everything else was checked in. During those few weeks we could board a full 737-300 through two doors in a couple of minutes. Ask any cabin crew member, and they would agree that the thing that slows boarding down the most is people stopping at their seat row and then trying to find space for all their hand baggage.

User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4438 times:

OzJet who should be launching this month in Australia between SYD/MEL will allow 15 minute check in with up to 3 pieces of carry on baggage.

How can they do this? Easy, they're aiming at business class market or those current paying fully flexible economy fares (business types/public servants) on the "big red rat" (QF) & will only have 60 C seats 2-2 x 15 rows on each 737.

How will QF respond? Well they won't drop their fares, because this is where they make their money, so will will probably thrown f.f. points around or somehow give limited QF Club entry or give away a f.f. seat(s) with purchase of a business class fare ???


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4402 times:

Do you work for OzJet or do you just like to double post the exact same text in multiple threads?


Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineSimpilicity From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4381 times:

No don't work for OzJet & not same text. I just thought it was getting off subject, so started a new one.

It's going to be interesting times. QF making money at present, but they've had a pretty easy ride with AN gone & DJ not grabbing a huge part of government or business travel & across the Pacific UA still only flying out of SYD, while QF flies out of MEL, SYD & BNE, as well as AKL + QF flying to SFO end of MAR.


User currently offlineSunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4349 times:

I personally feel this should be enforced at security. When passengers go through that gauntlet, that is the time someone with authority should hasten to enforce the 1 carry on & 1 personal item, or Perhaps they should start levying a fee for more than 1 carry on such as the $80 rule per piece. That would stop about 90% of it.

User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4340 times:

Quoting BoomBoom (Reply 5):
MAN! You're LUCKY!

I know I hope I didn't just jinx myself. I have had things not arrive with me but I always got them in a timely manner when the next flight came in.


User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1586 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4304 times:

When I was BA Cabin Crew on 707s in the early 60s, the overhead rack was open with no cover, and actually called a hat rack. Pax were only allowed to bring on toileteries and medications that would actually be needed in-flight. Covers, made by BA Engineering Dept, were fitted later, but still quite small!

The current BA weight limit for cabin baggage is 6 kgs.

In nearly fifty years of flying all over the world, I've only ever carried my ticket wallet and passport, with my toothbrush with me in the cabin. The rest of my goods are where they should be, stowed in the hold!

No, I've never lost one piece of baggage in all those years!



Per Ardua ad Astra! ........ Honi Soit Qui Mal y Pense!
User currently offlineKaniksu From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

I find it annoying how much people bring on board as well. I try to get a seat nearest to the front of the plane as possible so I do not have to wait for people to unload half of their personal belongings in the overhead. I find it surprising how many peoples bags do not even fit in the overhead. I usually just bring my laptop bag which contains everything I will need on board. Food, drink, entertainment.

I have had checked bags misplaced and delayed but never lost forever. I do not worry about it too much.


User currently offlineGeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 994 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4257 times:

After 2 consecutive, relatively short trips to Europe, on 2 different airlines (none of which landed at Charles de Gaulle) arriving at 2 of the more reputable airports in Europe, sans checked luggage, I started to wonder if perhaps I should stop relying on the kindness of strangers when it comes to my belongings. And when it happened again, on yet a third airline, on a short trip to Singapore, which is almost as far from Atlanta as one can get on this planet, I realized that the only one who can keep my possessions from being lost is, well, me.

I travel with hand luggage only now. If it offends the sensibilities of Anet.ers or terribly overworked flight attendants, tough. I carry the allowed volume, I may be a bit over the weight limit, but again, tough. I don't have to ask anyone to lug my stuff up or down, thank you. Think of it this way. I have no problem making my connections, I don't waste the time of those permanently harassed lost luggage people, I don't clog up the baggage arrival area making a juicy target for some non racially profiled terrorist, and I am off on my merry way much sooner. Everybody wins when I carry my own junk onboard.

When real reliability returns to air travel, an impossible condition considering how many people travel in and out of any given airport, I will check my bags. And if I must, I will willingly surrender my bag AT THE GATE ONLY, where I know it will get into my aircraft, should the situation arise. Otherwise, I make it a point to leave the stereo system at home, and it is strictly carry on for me. It is pretty obvious to anyone who flies, that I am hardly the only person out there who has reached the same conclusion.



"Trust, but verify!" An old Russian proverb, quoted often by a modern American hero
User currently offline727EMflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4192 times:

Death to the carry-on!  tombstone 

Well, I must admit that there was ONE time when I personally brought carry-on "luggage" with me, but I felt I had a good excuse (since my wife was picking me up but had to be at a doctor's appointment within a half-hour of my landing and I only had one small suitcase). Normally I loath these folks who come down the aisle overflowing with coats and sweaters and bags and dragging a suitcase to boot! I don't understand why these people want to lug the junk around the airport with them and then have to deal with it in the crowded aisles. Also, regardless of the state of airline food these days, people (especially my wife irked  ) do not need to bring a day's worth of food with them! My goodness, I can see if you just made it to the airport in the nick of time and brought your lunch because you didn't have time to eat it on the way, but the plane will be on the ground within five hours max (domestic) and international long haul they still feed you at least once... live with it!

Here is the test EVERYONE should have to use before bringing a carry-on.
1. Is it extraordinarily valuable or fragile and either can not be replaced or is necessary for you to have very soon after deplaning?
2. Is it required by law to be on your person?
3. Is it a medical supply that must be used during the flight?
4. Does it fit in your "normal" sized backpack or purse?


User currently offlineCure From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4182 times:

Quoting SirOmega (Reply 3):
snacks, water bottles

Sorry SirOmega, not to flame you in particular, but.....I noticed many Americans do travel with plenty of snacks and soft drinks, and they can't stop eating for more than two hours. This is obviously not statistic, but an observation out of my 30-40 flights within the US or US-bound, and it is quite interesting imagining all these backpacks and bags without food inside...! They'd be much lighter, and......never heard of anybody dead for starvation on a flight!
(Plus: much happier body AND fellow passengers AND flight attendants!)

I'm posting this because in all my flights I NEVER EVER had anything to eat or drink with me, except maybe for a small bottle of water bought on the ground and not finished.

Regds,

V


User currently offlineCure From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4174 times:

Uh...And I also think that carry-on luggage should be BANNED from ALL classes and ALL flights under 5 hours. Seriously. (Medicaments would be allowed...)
...Well...maybe just F excluded...   

Best Regards,

V

[Edited 2005-11-10 02:12:43]

User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4105 times:

Quoting 727EMflyer (Reply 15):
Here is the test EVERYONE should have to use before bringing a carry-on.
1. Is it extraordinarily valuable or fragile and either can not be replaced or is necessary for you to have very soon after deplaning?
2. Is it required by law to be on your person?
3. Is it a medical supply that must be used during the flight?
4. Does it fit in your "normal" sized backpack or purse?

5. Is it vital to you performing your job once on the ground?
6. Will it help keep your small children occupied and quiet?


User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5293 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4082 times:

I usually travel with my wife, so she has a purse, and I bring a small messenger bag for magazines, books, and my camera, while I carry a small carry-on for our toiletries and a change of clothes. Our large bags go into the hold.

I've always been leery of checking all of my luggage, since United lost my father's luggage for 3 days in the early 1970s on a business trip.


User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2400 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4016 times:

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 14):
I travel with hand luggage only now.

Not a problem, as long as you know that it will fit, and you don't ask the Flight Attendant to lift it for you into the overhead when she is 2 feet shorter than you are. And, that you don't have 2 rollerboards, or a rollerboard, and a suitcase, and a tote, and.....you Get my point.

If you have flown many times, which I pretty sure you have, then you know all of this.

All in all, if you go by these golden rules, you will not have any issues. smile 



"The low fares airline."
User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3992 times:

It is like always - some common sense would be the deal. If people would stop carrying their entire household in cabin luggage, congesting half the plane's overhead bins while only 10% pax have boarded, if people would also stop unpacking their bags once they reach their seat, so that everybody could get in (especially on a longhaul flight, they unpack a ton of stuff, while they have hours to do so... then they complain about how boring the flight is...morons...) and if people would just use common sense, it would be no problem.

I know that I will be having some oversized cabin luggage in spring as I will be travelling as a musician and I will check in enough valuable stuff, but the real expensive and fragile stuff goes with me.
Even the fact that it is oversized would be no problem, a fee would be paid by the promoter, no problem, just have this one case in the cabin...

It would all be no big deal when using common sense. Like the example above. If one has to catch a doctor's appointment, no big deal, I will help you to store your bag up there.
If it is just you own comfort and convience, aka egoism, forget it. I will even fight for some overhead space next (actually above) my seat. Because we do not have right but I think everybody should be able to store his stuff right at the seat, excess stuff can be sotred later in open spots or just checked.

This goes for everything. When people cut a waiting line with a valid reason, I will totally let them pass. If it is a spoiled girl on the cell phone that never learnt to wait - she won't get past me. It is egoism versus common sense. Unfortunately people tend to choose the first, so the airlines need rules and enforcement...

I have been late for flights and have been told that there is no space available overhead, so I had to grab my most important items for the flight and check my bag in the doorway of the plane. Didn't I pay for the overhead bin as well? This makes travelling really annoying. I even gave up window seats on a reward flight in business, just for a couple to have two seats together who got bumped up for free. Who cares, let the couple enjoy, what is the point of staring at the Atlantic for hours anyway? I don't mind. But I will expect people to do the same when I will be flying for our honeymoon with my future wife if I really should fail to be there early enough and get our seats... Actually when I gave up my window seat that summer, I sat next to somebody I had a very interesting conversation with.

Bottom line - airlines should enforce some rules stricter so that the general situation would be better, than the valid exceptions could easily be allowed.



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