JAM747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 550 posts, RR: 1 Posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4845 times:
Can a pilot work for two different non-affiliated airline at the same time or are they usually contractually obligated to one? For example can a pilot if his normal schedule permit fly occasionally for another airline or company if they need a relief pilot, or ferry a plane for maintenance, repair , storage etc. I know some pilots that that do long hauls sometimes only fly a few days per month . Suppose when on layover or in another country he/she is offered a 'part time' or occasional job to do a short flight for another airline ( which understands that he is obligated to his current job if they need him/her), can he/she accept or are there regulations against that?
Mhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 29 Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4763 times:
I'd imagine it may be possible if you work for an airline that returns you to your home base evey night (FR, U2), however you'd have no down time, you'd struggle to fit both airlines in a week, and both would probably demand more time you can provide simultaneously. Plus you'd no doubt also over-run your national aviation authorities regulations for your amount of monthly flying time.
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LUVRSW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 498 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4762 times:
I know it's possible for an AMFA mechanic to work for nobody.
Typhaerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 619 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4751 times:
Quoting LUVRSW (Reply 3): I know it's possible for an AMFA mechanic to work for nobody.
So off topic and so wrong, and yet, so funny I can't stop chuckling...
Something tells me that duty time for pilots would prohibt them from flying with anyone over a certain amount of hours. And the first job is likely to take up most of their quota.
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IAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4732 times:
The FAA puts limitations on the number of hours a pilot flies. If they were flying for 2 part 121 carriers there would be too many duty hour conflicts.
JAM747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 550 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4704 times:
Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 5): The FAA puts limitations on the number of hours a pilot flies. If they were flying for 2 part 121 carriers there would be too many duty hour conflicts.
Suppose they fly for an airline like a cargo or charter which do not do enough hours to take up all his permited hours? Or could the pilot do some other job if he has time such as being an instructor etc?
WhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4701 times:
It used to be a regular thing over here. Pilots at carriers like BA would moonlight for the charter outfits if they were not on standby or duty.
It's not an offence. You fly a one-eleven for BA one day and Dan-Air or Laker the next. As long as you don't violate any rules regarding duty hours who cares?
MiCorazonAzul From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4697 times:
Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 5): The FAA puts limitations on the number of hours a pilot flies. If they were flying for 2 part 121 carriers there would be too many duty hour conflicts.
and the airlines themselves also put limitations. I'm pretty sure the majority of airlines don't allow you to work for one and for another at the same time. I think you could if it was a commercial airline and a charter or cargo airline. But two commercial airlines, I doubt it. I know at jetblue we were told we could have 4 jobs if we wanted on top of our jetblue job but it couldn't be another commercial airline. Makes perfect sense to me.
Fokker70NG From Netherlands, joined Nov 2005, 233 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4688 times:
I once heard that one of the owners of Divi Divi Air, based on Curaçao (CUR), flies for his own airline and also for Martinair (parttime), on the MD-11.
So I guess it is possible!
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Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4674 times:
I would have to say conflict of interest!!!! That would be the companies take on it, I am almost positive.....
AirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3639 posts, RR: 12 Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4684 times:
No commercial airline in the US will allow you to work for another commercial airline. It is one a conflict of interest, and a huge risk at losing their investment that they made in training you, and they may even have a non-compete clause in their contract. When you interview you for a pilot job at AirTran we ask if you are furloughed from another airline, (ie DL, NW, UA ect.) if you are, and you want to fly for us once you are hired you will have to resign from your other carrier. It costs about $50,00 to train an airline pilot, and the airlines want to make sure that you don't run off with their investment.
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IAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4669 times:
I do know some regional pilots who also flight instruct, an AA pilot who flies rotary for the police dept., and many reservist/national guard pilots. But as far as working for another airline none.
Ha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3492 posts, RR: 6 Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4656 times:
The answer is no. As a condition of employment for any airline employee, you cannot get a second job working for a competitor. This means you cannot work for another airline. If a pilot wants to fly on their off time and get paid, they can be a flight instructor, acrobat pilot, or what many do, fly for the ANG or Air Force Reserve.
JAM747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 550 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4609 times:
Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 12): It costs about $50,00 to train an airline pilot, and the airlines want to make sure that you don't run off with their investment.
Very good point and very reasonable. Would this still apply if lets say you are trained by the airline to fly a large aircraft like a 737, A320, 777 etc but you are occasionly on you own time paid to fly a corporate jet or small charter ( type which you were on certified for before)?
Gokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1096 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4596 times:
Quoting Ha763 (Reply 14): The answer is no. As a condition of employment for any airline employee, you cannot get a second job working for a competitor. This means you cannot work for another airline. If a pilot wants to fly on their off time and get paid, they can be a flight instructor, acrobat pilot, or what many do, fly for the ANG or Air Force Reserve.
Actually you can but just like you mentioned not for a competitor. A friend of mine a pilot was working for USA 3000 but he was homesick and he asked the airline if he can go back to IST and work for 8Q between the months of may and september. USA 3000 didn't have a problem with that neither 8Q. He actually did it for one year but decided that he doesn't want to work for 8Q. Now he works year round for USA 3000 and he is very happy. He saves all his vacation for summer time and takes a big vacation in IST every summer. He loves working for USA 3000 btw.
I guess it helps that the two airlines don't compete with each other.
P.S. how come the iata code for usa 3000 U5 doesn't work on this site?
LeonB1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4588 times:
I'm sure there are a fair number of freelance pilots around who fly private jets for various owners/operators. I've heard of pilots who will fly (for example) Hawker 800s for one operator and Gulfstream 550s for another. But then again, theoretically work could be more sporadic in this part of the industry than working for an airline.
CosmicCruiser From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2211 posts, RR: 16 Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4578 times:
The bottom line is that no major airline will allow a pilot to hold a seniority number with another airline. In fact there have been cases where pilots have lied and interviewed and been hired with a new carrier while still employed with the old one and when the truth comes out they are fired and the old airline is informed of the event and he/she would probably be fired there too. There are only a few conditions that an airline will allow any commercial flying unless approved...eg. airshow, flight instr. etc.
VEEREF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4572 times:
I currently moonlight at my previous employer as a simulator check airman, while maintaining my current F/O status at my present company. No restrictions on that, other than I must have 24 hours off in the preceding 7 days prior to resuming revenue flight at my current airline. Most companies don't allow actual line flying at another company because it eats into your allowable flight hours per year, and thus becomes a conflict of interest.
Jsposaune From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 291 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4459 times:
What about this?...
Can a captain (or F/O) who works for a regional fly for more than one airline? For example...Air Whiskey, (UA/US) Trans States, (US/AA/UA), etc.
Do crews ever fly in the system of more than one carrier? Technically, its with the same airline, but for different mainline affiliates.
Did that make any sense??...I'm not sure if it made sense to me!
There are no stupid questions....only stupid people!!!
IAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4305 times:
Quoting Jsposaune (Reply 20): Do crews ever fly in the system of more than one carrier? Technically, its with the same airline, but for different mainline affiliates.
The answer to that question is yes. When ACA was transitioning to Independence many of the crew members would fly an IDE trip one day and a United Express flight the next. I belive airlines like transtates that fly for multiple mainline carriers also operate the same way.
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