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FA Seniority Question  
User currently offlineFrontiercpt From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 973 posts, RR: 8
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2571 times:

Hey everyone! I was just wondering, if say, twenty FA's graduated from an airline's training program, how do they decide seniority, cuz like, 5 years later, they will all have the same seniority, won't they? How do they make it so that they differ? Like, I don't know if that is clear, but like, if they were all bidding for their schedules, how would the people who are in charge of that, decide who gets what if they all graduated from the training program in the same group? Hope thats clear. Sorry if this is in the wrong forum. Thanks guys!  Big grin
Oliver

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User currently offlineAggieflyboi04 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

It depends on the airline, some go by age, last 4 numbers of social securty number and some draw numbers out of a bowl to see what class seniority is.

DJ


User currently offlineFlyGuyClt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2547 times:

When I flew for an airline named Florida Express Airlines back in the dark ages. They did seniority by grade point average. I was the baby in the class and number 3 in seniority. The kicker was on graduation day. The top 3 got lines with no reserve ! Ah, the good old days.

Safe Flying  Smile



Florida Express, Braniff II and ......
User currently offlineKevi747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1058 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

At AA it went by our birthdays. The oldest person was the most senior and the youngest the most junior.


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User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 2):
When I flew for an airline named Florida Express Airlines back in the dark ages. They did seniority by grade point average. I was the baby in the class and number 3 in seniority. The kicker was on graduation day. The top 3 got lines with no reserve ! Ah, the good old days.

Safe Flying Smile

GPA in high school/college or in the training program? That sounds like the way to do it, if it is judged by the training program.

AAndrew


User currently offlineFlyGuyClt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 4):
GPA in high school/college or in the training program? That sounds like the way to do it, if it is judged by the training program.

AAndrew

Flight Attendant Training.

Safe Flying  Smile



Florida Express, Braniff II and ......
User currently offlineLetsgetwet From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2419 times:

When my daughter graduated she was the youngest in her class, so when she got her wings she was inroduced as the most junior FA at CO.(until the next class graduated).

User currently offlineNtspelich From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

WN goes by time in that department, then if needed time with the company, then if needed age with the oldest having the most seniority.

NTS



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User currently offlineGman3 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 290 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

At United when I was hired, we were given a random file number. They were six digits and they were all in sequemtial order. They went by the last 4 digits. Out of all the new hires to the company, the lowest was the most senior (2179) and the highest was the most junior (2207). There were a few company transfers in my class and they were placed by their existing file number. One girl had 0214 as her last 4 digits so she was actually the most senior in my class. One unlucky girl had 8966 , so even though she was already an employee for 4 years, she was the most junior in the class. Any compnay transfer kept their company hiring date for benefits and vacation, but received a new inflight date for bidding and jumpseating.

User currently offlineJamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1012 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2319 times:

I was first hired at ATA back in the early 1990's and they went by age. I was twenty four years old at the time and was one of the most junior in my class. Then I jumped ship and went over to United and they did it by the last four digits of your social security number. The last four digits of mine started with 9 so I was #58 in seniority out of a class of 60 new hires. I turned 29 during my intial training at United and there were several 19 and 20 year olds who were hence, more senior to me.


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User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2271 times:

I have worked for 3 "legacies"

all went by social security numbers...



Wally Bird Ruled the Skys!
User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

On a related topic, the seniority system is just hideous. I can't imagine working under it.

At Air NZ, we have a very simple system - "last achieved request". We get to request one trip per month, and our chance of getting it depends on when we last got what we requested. The rest of the roster is assigned by computer, with trips marked as "undesirable" (for instance, AKL-PPT-AKL roundtrip which is nearly 14 hours) shared equally amongst ALL crew - even the 40 year veterans. We are rostered one roster of standby/reserve per year - even the 40 year veterans.

I can't imagine a system that's fairer than that!



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User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2283 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

It was age at Reno Air, too. It frustrated me because I was a transfer from customer service. It didn't matter, it still went by age. Had they given credit to those who were transfers from within the company, I would have been number 2 as opposed to last. Of course, none of that matters now since I am a little fish in the big silver pond. GPA in class would have been nice, too, I was valedictorian in my class (can you believe they called it that?). It was nice, anyway, I got a cool little MD-80 lapel pin.


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User currently offlinePomnath From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2217 times:

Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 2):
The top 3 got lines with no reserve

What does this mean, please?


User currently offlineSkytony From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

At Leisure Air seniority was determined by lottery, Rich International Airways by age, and United we did it by last four digits in your Social Security Number.


Lower your expectations! You will always be pleasantly surprised!
User currently offlineLehovec From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 296 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

At EZY there is no seniority... you don't chose your own flights. You can ask crewing to put you on certain flight but it is really up to them...
For example... when I changed bases from LGW to STN I aksed to do some LJU flights as I am from LJU and wanted to fly home... in September I had 8 flights to LJU, in October just 1 and in November 1 as well.
If you want to do specific flight you can always ask somebody who is assigned to that flight to swap with you...

When talking about position you work for a day on a/c, it is always up to us crew to decide which position is each of us going to work on. Today I was number 3, yesterday number 2...


User currently offlineFlyGuyClt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2111 times:

Quoting Pomnath (Reply 13):
Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 2):
The top 3 got lines with no reserve

What does this mean, please?

Reserve is when you are on call.

A line is when you know your entire month's flying.

Safe Flying  Smile



Florida Express, Braniff II and ......
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2090 times:

Isn't it based on Performance.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2083 times:

Quoting Kevi747 (Reply 3):
At AA it went by our birthdays. The oldest person was the most senior and the youngest the most junior

At B6 it's the same thing.


User currently offlinePersotvik From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2059 times:

Hi 

In my airline, WF, age decides. We were 15 at the initial cabin crew course and the oldest having the most seniority.

Quite fair indeed I believe.

Best rgrds

Per
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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

Quoting Kevi747 (Reply 3):
At AA it went by our birthdays. The oldest person was the most senior and the youngest the most junior.

That seems like the most logical way to do things.


User currently offlineVulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2001 times:

At Air Tran we pick numbers out of a cookie tin. It seems like an easy and fair way to do it. I was in the middle of my class seniority.

User currently offlineCanada Mike From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 149 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

In my initial traning, seniority was assigned by overall average in the course. However, they then split it up into full-timers and part-timers, with, obviously, every full-timer going above all the part-timers. So I was #2 in the class, and wound up somewhere down at the bottom, heh.

Personally, I think this is the best way to do it. It's a great reward for who really works hard and applies themselves to the initial training.


User currently offlineGman3 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 290 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1947 times:

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 20):
Quoting Kevi747 (Reply 3):
At AA it went by our birthdays. The oldest person was the most senior and the youngest the most junior.

That seems like the most logical way to do things.


I don't think that is a fair way to do it. It actually is reverse age discrimination. Why should someone older to you be more senior to you? The fairest way was the random number assigning. Then when you place them in order you get your seniority list.


User currently offlineSongStar From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 132 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

At Delta it was company transfer date of hire first then everyone else in the class had a fist fight to decide..hehe  Smile just kidding actually after the company transfers it was by birthdate...I fell in the middle of my training class at 27 yrs old..  Smile ( almost 9 years ago...)


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25 Aa757first : Is that a turn or something? I thought a long trip like that would be desirable. Fair? Maybe. Nice? Probably not. I would hate to be flying short 737
26 TG992 : Yes, it's a turn. Hideous, non? The nice thing about it is that you're flying a fair combination of long and short trips from the date you join. You
27 Post contains images FlyGuyClt : For a 13 to 15 year old I see you are trying to rule your world from a high chair again. Some airlines don't fly international first off. Second. My
28 Letsgetwet : In the grand scheme of things, gaining seniority over 20-30 classmates doesn't really mean too much when you have thousands in the system.
29 ReidYYZ : At TS it is strictly based on your marks over the entire training course. If you are coming from a different division in the company (corporation) the
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